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Title: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: NextAdventure on April 04, 2015, 10:27:00 AM
Registration is now live: http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html simply go to July 11th on the calender, select how many participants, and click continue to enter your information. 


The 8th annual Oregon Rockfish Classic presented by Next Adventure will take place on July 11th 2015 at Depoe Bay, OR.  Proudly the largest kayak fishing tournament in the Northwest, the ORC always creates a spirit of friendly competition and camaraderie for the kayak fishing community.  With both new and continuing sponsors joining forces, this years ORC is shaping up to be the biggest and best yet.  Your participation helps great causes: Neighbors for Kids, a Depoe Bay organization that provides safe activities and places for local children. And, Heroes on The Water Oregon and Northwest chapters, a national organization providing kayak fishing and relief trips for veterans.

This is a single heaviest fish tournament.  All entries must be brought to shore and weighed in before 2PM at the weigh-in station on the day of the tournament.  Targeted species for this tournament are lingcod, cabezon, rockfish, and greenling.

Entry Fee: $50
Date: July 11th, 2015
Location: Depoe Bay, OR.

The tournament will be based out of Chinook Bend Campground( 2920 Siletz Hwy, Lincoln City, OR 97367 chinookbend.com) , please make use of our shuttle system as to minimize the impact of the tournament on those we share the Depoe Bay boat launch with. If you plan on camping please contact Chinook Bend to make a reservation.


Fishing Boundary Map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=z--z1pDlPcsY.kdwNU79uaqOM


The North boundary is the tip of Rabbit Rock at 44o 50.3' N.
The South boundary is the south end of Whale Cove 1t 44o 47.2' N
The West boundary is 20 fathoms (120 ft) depth.    This is approximately a half mile past the Whistle Bouy.


No Fishing Zones:

There is no fishing near the channel between the mouth of Depoe Bay and the Bell Buoy.  This channel is 100 yds wide at the channel mouth and extends to 400 yds wide at the Bell Buoy.

Whale Cove is off limits to fishing per ODFW regulations (see Whale Cove Habitat Refuge)


Required Gear (mandatory for all participants)
-PFD (competitors must wear a Coast Guard Approved PFD at all times while on the water, anyone found in violation of this rule will immediately be disqualified)
-Sound Device: a whistle at the minimum
-Safety Flag
-VHF Radio
-Immersion gear appropriate for the Oregon coast. The Pacific Ocean remains cold all year, please be prepared to take a swim.
All competitors Must:
-Submit a completed and signed waiver prior to fishing, anyone that attempts to weigh in fish without a valid waiver on file will be disqualified.
-Check in after fishing, if you do not check in, we will assume you are lost at sea and take appropriate action. All competitors are liable for any fees incurred during their search & rescue.
-Use a human powered craft to get to and from the fishing grounds, if you have a disability that prevents the use of pedal or paddle powered craft, contact Next Adventure for approval.
-Carry a valid ODFW fishing license
-All competitors in a boat over 10’ must carry a valid Oregon Aquatic Invasive Species Permit
-Stay within the fishing boundaries: Northern Boundary: Rabbit Rock Southern Boundary: Whale Cove
-No fishing is allowed in the channel between the Bell Buoy and Harbor Entrance. Any competitors found fishing in the channel will receive 1 warning from the safety boaters, if found fishing in the channel after that, you will immediately be disqualified.   

Schedule Of Events:
Friday, July 10th: @Chinook Bend Campground
5:00pm: Check in Opens
6:00pm: Heroes on the Water Benefit Dinner
7:00pm: Mandatory* Captain’s Meeting

Saturday July 11th:
5:00am: First Shuttle leaves for Depoe Bay
5:30am: Weigh in/Check in opens
6:00am: launch opens
10:00am: Weigh in Opens
2:00pm: Weigh in Closes
6:00pm: Fish Fry
7:00pm: Awards Ceremony

*If you are unable to attend the captains meeting please email kayakfishing@nextadventure.net

A big improvement will be the addition of 2 dedicated, volunteer safety boaters that will assist in keeping anglers out of the channel and helping in rescue situations. Registration will be up within the week, any questions or concerns can be directed to Kayakfishing@nextadventure.net
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on April 04, 2015, 08:47:24 PM


 Let the MADNESS begin....... ;D :D :)
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Adam12 on April 05, 2015, 08:54:14 AM
Sweeeeet!  Can't wait  :banjo:
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: seahawken7 on April 05, 2015, 10:26:16 AM
I couldn't make it last year, but I have it on my calendar for this year. Looking forward to a great time!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Justin on April 06, 2015, 03:39:03 PM
I'm marking it on the work calendar now.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on April 06, 2015, 03:42:44 PM
I bought my kayak to start fishing because of the ORC. So pumped for this year!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: sumpNZ on April 06, 2015, 03:52:33 PM
I'm in!!!

Looking forward to seeing everyone out there again.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Spot on April 06, 2015, 04:22:33 PM
For the 1st time in the history of the ORC, I'm not gonna make it...  :embarassed:

-Mark-
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: hayday91b on April 06, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Hopefully gonna be able to go.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on April 06, 2015, 05:04:28 PM
For the 1st time in the history of the ORC, I'm not gonna make it...  :embarassed:

-Mark-
Well I guess your going to have to hit the May Day tournament to make up for it. ;D
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Spot on April 06, 2015, 05:18:00 PM
For the 1st time in the history of the ORC, I'm not gonna make it...  :embarassed:

-Mark-
Well I guess your going to have to hit the May Day tournament to make up for it. ;D

Well, I guess I am.   ;D
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling Banger on April 06, 2015, 11:21:50 PM
For the 1st time in the history of the ORC, I'm not gonna make it...  :embarassed:

-Mark-

I know it has to be something fantastic for you to have to pass on ORC. We'll miss you man.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: ZeeHawk on April 07, 2015, 10:35:33 AM
Cross my fingers, I may be able to make it this year.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on April 07, 2015, 03:42:48 PM
For the first time in about 5 years, I might actually make it as well.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on April 09, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
Just got an email from Emilie at Ninkasi. Sounds like they're very interested in sponsoring the ORC again this year. Here's the text of Emilie's email.

Quote
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: Beer for Oregon Rock Fish Classic

Good morning Paul,

The Oregon Rock Fish Classic was brought to my attention and I wanted to see if you had a beer donor/sponsor for the event and if there is a need for beer at the Rock Fish Classic. Please let me know!

Many thanks and cheers,

Emilie

Emilie Hartvig
National Donations Manager
Ninkasi Brewing Company
www.NinkasiBrewing.com
www.facebook.com/NinkasiBrewing
:occasion14:
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: sumpNZ on April 09, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
Just got an email from Emilie at Ninkasi. Sounds like they're very interested in sponsoring the ORC again this year. Here's the text of Emilie's email.

Quote
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: Beer for Oregon Rock Fish Classic

Good morning Paul,

The Oregon Rock Fish Classic was brought to my attention and I wanted to see if you had a beer donor/sponsor for the event and if there is a need for beer at the Rock Fish Classic. Please let me know!

Many thanks and cheers,

Emilie

Emilie Hartvig
National Donations Manager
Ninkasi Brewing Company
www.NinkasiBrewing.com
www.facebook.com/NinkasiBrewing
:occasion14:

That alone makes it worth the trip!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Lee on April 09, 2015, 02:34:29 PM
Oatis Approves of this Ninkasi Sponsorship

(https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11121747_10153671424326531_7191204999767675061_n.jpg?oh=c797a5c0824b1702cdd451f9fae63dc0&oe=55E0C663) (https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/549459_10153671426916531_4932221039982121833_n.jpg?oh=4b6527c63700461ead6b3f5670146332&oe=55A67BDF)
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Dray on April 09, 2015, 03:29:54 PM
That's awesome! I love their beer...it's a golden tasty reward after fishing hard all day.


Just got an email from Emilie at Ninkasi. Sounds like they're very interested in sponsoring the ORC again this year. Here's the text of Emilie's email.

Quote
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: Beer for Oregon Rock Fish Classic

Good morning Paul,

The Oregon Rock Fish Classic was brought to my attention and I wanted to see if you had a beer donor/sponsor for the event and if there is a need for beer at the Rock Fish Classic. Please let me know!

Many thanks and cheers,

Emilie

Emilie Hartvig
National Donations Manager
Ninkasi Brewing Company
www.NinkasiBrewing.com
www.facebook.com/NinkasiBrewing
:occasion14:
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on April 09, 2015, 04:20:11 PM
So this will be the first tournament that I will ever attend. I was watching video and was curious on what the captain bags are, and does anyone have any tips Besides have fun?

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Fungunnin on April 09, 2015, 04:50:24 PM
So this will be the first tournament that I will ever attend. I was watching video and was curious on what the captain bags are, and does anyone have any tips Besides have fun?

Thanks guys!
Captains bags are full of freebies from the sponsors (often more value than the tournament entry fee)
Best tip is get out in the salt water as often as possible.  If you are not comfortable in possible swells and wind you won't have as much fun.
The date is set so the weather is a total cra shoot. If you only take your boat out on glassy days then you could be in for a rough time.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Kyle M on April 09, 2015, 08:31:46 PM
Can't wait!  This will be a great time regardless of conditions. 
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bb2fish on April 09, 2015, 10:28:03 PM
I'm going to have to attend the ORC and get the courage to fish saltwater afterwards.  Absolutely enjoyed the fish taco feed last year!

Is this year also going to be a Hobie World Qualifier event, or is it back to a standard fare rockfish classic?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on April 20, 2015, 09:19:20 AM
No qualifer but hopefully it will be more than standard with new sponsors added!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Great Bass 2 on April 20, 2015, 03:06:53 PM
I am going to try to make this event.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: redfish85 on April 21, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
I am going to try to make this event.
same here gonna try to get down there and hang out with you guys :)
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: DARice on April 21, 2015, 08:46:13 PM
Can't think of a better tournament to be my first! Tillamook sounds great, but I'll be somewhere near the arctic circle in a sauna...one of the requirements when working for a Finnish company.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on April 21, 2015, 09:51:14 PM
No qualifer but hopefully it will be more than standard with new sponsors added!

 Can you elaborate a little...........helps us get even more stoked
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Fred "True" Trujillo on April 22, 2015, 06:28:56 AM
Where's the link to pay!?! Take my money already! Aaaaiiiiighhhh!!!

Fred "True" Trujillo
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling ling, Herro? on May 07, 2015, 01:25:53 PM
I'm stoked for this! ORC is always a blast. There were lots of big fish caught last year, I wonder if competitors can top it this July!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 07, 2015, 01:38:26 PM
Registration should be up this week- we will post when it is.

As for no qualifier- The qualifying aspect of this event didnt really do anything for the anglers already attending- only for those who really want to fish the Worlds.  It was a team decision between previous organizers, Myself and the other NA Staff to not offer this as a Qualifier this year in hopes that it doesnt limit participation from brands other than Hobie.  The kayak given away at the prior years events is not a Hobie donation but a donation from Next Adventure.  Our decision to not give a boat away this year is not effected at all by our decision to not make this a Qualifier.

With that said, previous sponsors are stepping it up and new sponsors including Raymarine and NRS are coming on board heavily to ensure that we have a great event.  There will be plenty of surprises and also announcements about sponsors on the ORC Facebook page.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Justin on May 07, 2015, 01:50:37 PM
I don't care about a new kayak, or winning for that matter.  The ORC is just a great event to attend.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling ling, Herro? on May 07, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
I don't care about a new kayak, or winning for that matter.  The ORC is just a great event to attend.

+1 It's just fun to be on the water with so many other people that love the sport as much as I do. The food is top notch, too!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 08, 2015, 08:28:31 AM
I and the rest of the staff are very glad to hear that from you guys.  Hopefully this ywar we can make this one of the best ORC ever
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 08, 2015, 08:49:47 AM
I don't care about a new kayak, or winning for that matter.  The ORC is just a great event to attend.

+1 It's just fun to be on the water with so many other people that love the sport as much as I do. The food is top notch, too!

I'll offer a bit different of a perspective:

I agree that it's a great event regardless of prizes, etc., but a new kayak was a pretty good motivator for me to take this seriously and compete hard. If we want to just organize a $50 raffle with a BBQ on a day where people can fish if they want to that's a bit different than a fishing tournament.

Also I already used the "new Hobie kayak" hook to try to get several people to come. It's a pretty tangible way to communicate that it's a real event.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on May 08, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
I don't care about a new kayak, or winning for that matter.  The ORC is just a great event to attend.

+1 It's just fun to be on the water with so many other people that love the sport as much as I do. The food is top notch, too!

I'll offer a bit different of a perspective:

I agree that it's a great event regardless of prizes, etc., but a new kayak was a pretty good motivator for me to take this seriously and compete hard. If we want to just organize a $50 raffle with a BBQ on a day where people can fish if they want to that's a bit different than a fishing tournament.

Also I already used the "new Hobie kayak" hook to try to get several people to come. It's a pretty tangible way to communicate that it's a real event.
I like my hook it's simple, elegant, classic " it's for H.O.W." Unsure of I can make Orc this year but I will say last year was my first tournament and I had a freakin blast.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ranger Dave on May 08, 2015, 10:39:07 AM
Oatis Approves of this Ninkasi Sponsorship

(https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11121747_10153671424326531_7191204999767675061_n.jpg?oh=c797a5c0824b1702cdd451f9fae63dc0&oe=55E0C663) (https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/549459_10153671426916531_4932221039982121833_n.jpg?oh=4b6527c63700461ead6b3f5670146332&oe=55A67BDF)

Looks like Oatis has a birthday coming up. Congrats Lee on a good looking pup.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 08, 2015, 01:12:35 PM
There are some issues surrounding giving away a boat from a marketing and sales perspective- It is a huge trend nation wide that boats that are given away end up for sale and hurting dealers. 

With this said, we may not be giving away a boat but I personally would take seriously for the other available prizes.  1000.00 fishfinder or the other prizes we will have is a good win for a 50.00 entry that is a benefit event.  Captains bags alone are generally worth entry.  For these reasons among others the planning group has decided that a boat isnt always the best prize.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: polepole on May 08, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
There are some issues surrounding giving away a boat from a marketing and sales perspective- It is a huge trend nation wide that boats that are given away end up for sale and hurting dealers. 

I've always wondered why that is an issue.  Aren't the marketing effects mostly centered around the exposure due to the tourney itself, not what the winner does with the kayak after the fact.

-Allen
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: amb on May 08, 2015, 02:57:31 PM
I will attend this event because it's the ORC, and associated with NorthWest Kayak Anglers.  If it wasn't for NWKA there would be no ORC.  Certainly not the tournament so many have come to look forward to over the years.  As the tournament has grown some things have changed but it's always been an event where I could meet up with site admin, see old friends, and pretend to compete with some of the "pros" out there. 

Somehow statements including stuff like A team decision, From a marketing and sales perspective, and The planning group has decided leave me a little flat.  I personally prefer the non corporate side of life.  It just feels different.

What I wouldn't give for 13 participants standing on the beach pondering a surf launch and an Ocean Kayak waiting as first prize.  Now THAT was an ORC, and it felt right -

Alan
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: INSAYN on May 08, 2015, 03:53:08 PM
I will attend this event because it's the ORC, and associated with NorthWest Kayak Anglers.  If it wasn't for NWKA there would be no ORC.  Certainly not the tournament so many have come to look forward to over the years.  As the tournament has grown some things have changed but it's always been an event where I could meet up with site admin, see old friends, and pretend to compete with some of the "pros" out there. 

Somehow statements including stuff like A team decision, From a marketing and sales perspective, and The planning group has decided leave me a little flat.  I personally prefer the non corporate side of life.  It just feels different.


Alan

+1

Well said AMB.  Couldn't agree more. 

What's the difference between winning a dealer donated boat and selling it for the cash, or winning a $1000 fish finder that will probably end up being sold as well?   I know I don't need a new fish finder, PFD, paddle or even a new kayak.   
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 08, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
I will attend this event because it's the ORC, and associated with NorthWest Kayak Anglers.  If it wasn't for NWKA there would be no ORC.  Certainly not the tournament so many have come to look forward to over the years.  As the tournament has grown some things have changed but it's always been an event where I could meet up with site admin, see old friends, and pretend to compete with some of the "pros" out there. 

Somehow statements including stuff like A team decision, From a marketing and sales perspective, and The planning group has decided leave me a little flat.  I personally prefer the non corporate side of life.  It just feels different.

What I wouldn't give for 13 participants standing on the beach pondering a surf launch and an Ocean Kayak waiting as first prize.  Now THAT was an ORC, and it felt right -

Alan

Alan let me attempt to clear up what I mean as far as the team decision and the Marketing/Sales side of this. 

The ORC is an event held in its own and supported by sponsors. The decision to not give away a boat is one made by the largest sponsor of the event, Next Adventure.  Next not only provides prizes but also tons of man-hours and resources to ensure that this tournament is successful and that everybody has a memorable experience.  The decision to skip the boat was also aided by the opinions of the folks who have planned this event in the last few years who felt that giving away a kayak is not necessary for everybody to have a great time and support HOW and Neighbors for Kids.

I am 100% about community and benefit events having been burnt out early in the Tournament crazy in San Diego.  The sponsors we are bringing on board understand this and are giving some awesome gear so that everybody can come on out to have fun, support the charities, and maybe even take something cool home.  My goal having taken lead on the planning of this event is to make sure everybody has a great time, a memorable and safe experience, and that we support the charities to the best of our ability.  Chinook Showdown is a great example of this type of event.  While fishing was not great and we didnt give away a kayak I heard nothing but great things about the experience of the event.  This is what I want to see- great community events with the added bonus of some great giveaways from our gracious sponsors.

 Unfortunately when events do grow to the size of ORC there do have to be planning groups to ensure that everybody has a great time and that we stay within the legal bounds.  This core group that is doing planning all want what is best for the community and the event and sometimes have to make decisions that not everybody agrees with.  This is not an event where Next or other sponsors are looking to put cash in their pockets directly- it is to help community building and growing the sport in our region.


I hope this helps to put my perspective on events out there and I am always wanting to hear from those who have opinions, thoughts, suggestions, etc both good and bad.  Please feel free to reach to me directly through PM or email any time- I am happy to hear folks out and take their opinions into consideration as all I want is to see this community grow stronger.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 08, 2015, 04:11:11 PM

+1

Well said AMB.  Couldn't agree more. 

What's the difference between winning a dealer donated boat and selling it for the cash, or winning a $1000 fish finder that will probably end up being sold as well?   I know I don't need a new fish finder, PFD, paddle or even a new kayak.

The biggest difference in this example is that these prizes are being provided by the manufactures themselves, not by the Dealers supporting the events.  The Marketing departments of these sponsors giving gear feel that it is a good path to take just as the marketing side of Next feels it is a good path to support in other ways rather than give away a boat.  If Hobie or any other manufacture came to the table with a boat to give away then we would be giving away a kayak however unfortunately this is not the case which makes the current top prize Raymarine's contributions.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Lee on May 08, 2015, 04:13:32 PM
There has always been a sentiment among a select group that has been against giving boats away at tournaments.   There has also been a majority of participants that love the idea of winning a boat.  It's gonna leave a bad taste in lots of peoples mouths,  but we'll all still come,  because it's the ORC.  Can't really bitch too much though,  the entry fees go to charity and NA paid for the boat in the first place.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: lil_cowboy on May 08, 2015, 10:05:35 PM
The tournament is fun just for the competition. But the kayak was a good motivation for me who can't afford a movie kayak like that. Last year was my first time ocean kayaking and everyone was super nice. Hope it stays that way no matter what.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Fred "True" Trujillo on May 08, 2015, 10:07:33 PM
I'm not there for the boat. It was a nice touch, but I'm mostly there for the stories and camaraderie... and the dinner. Oh, Sweet Baby Cheeses! Let there be a dinner!

Fred "True" Trujillo
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Great Bass 2 on May 09, 2015, 04:51:46 AM
This will be my first ORC and really looking forward to it. The prizes don't matter to me. I do like competition as a change from my usual laid back fishing but it is really about hanging out and meeting new people and fishing new places. As I prepare for this event, I would like to know if it is a surf launch and is there a sand portage. Thanks in advance. Scott
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 09, 2015, 06:49:36 AM
scott, its an easy launch from a boat ramp into a small harbor and then a short paddle/peddle out to the ocean, don`t forget ur radio and on channel 80 annouce ur going outbound or when coming in  to annouce ur inbound.
mark

to get to it as ur driving south just on the south side of the hwy 101 bridge at depoe bay take first left at the gas station and go down the hill, parking and ramp are there.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 09, 2015, 06:54:53 AM
 where is the registration for the event at?????   i needs to commit.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 09, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Registration should go live this week.  Little different system than last year and should make easier on all parties we hope.

Link will be posted as soon as it is up.  Thanks for your patience!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 11, 2015, 11:24:34 AM
siebler, I appreciate that you're taking the time to address the questions/concerns people have. While I might not agree with the decisions or reasoning, just the fact that someone is publicly willing to respond on the forum seems like a Good Thing.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 12, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
FYI for those of you staying at Chinook Bend for the event.  They are set and expecting us and will be offering the 20% discount for the weekend.  Sounds like a few folks have already called- they are excited to have the group down there again this year!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 12, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
Registration should be up this week- we will post when it is.

As for no qualifier- The qualifying aspect of this event didn't really do anything for the anglers already attending- only for those who really want to fish the Worlds.  It was a team decision between previous organizers, Myself and the other NA Staff to not offer this as a Qualifier this year in hopes that it doesn't limit participation from brands other than Hobie.  The kayak given away at the prior years events is not a Hobie donation but a donation from Next Adventure.  Our decision to not give a boat away this year is not effected at all by our decision to not make this a Qualifier.

With that said, previous sponsors are stepping it up and new sponsors including Raymarine and NRS are coming on board heavily to ensure that we have a great event.  There will be plenty of surprises and also announcements about sponsors on the ORC Facebook page.


 Thank-you for taking the reins on organizing ORC this year CJ. I figure that respondsability must come with your new position as Kayak Fishing Manager at NA .None of us "commoners" know about all the work that goes into such a project. And welcome to the Pacific Northwest. Hope you are liking it more than San Diego in the short time you've been here.
 To most members of NWKA-- ORC is about the biggest event of the year. I have only been 4 years so far and have had an excellent time every year. As several folks have already said-- the camaraderie with other kayakers, the meeting people and putting names to faces , the actual competition against other fishers, and the outstanding eats make this event a premier time for all. Looking forward to doing it again.
 I'd like to question a few of the statements and some comments you have made in this thread so far.
 The registration will go up to $50 dollars this year ?
 Will the format of heaviest fish being the grand prize winner still be the same as in the past ?
 Are there other changes coming that we should be looking for ?

 Now onto the fact of no kayak as 1st prize this year..........
 That has always been a serious motivator for a lot of people going to ORC. What a person does with it after winning shouldn't matter . They won fair and square. As to giving away a boat hurting a manufacturer or dealer--- I disagree. Giving away any product for promotion gets their product out in the public more and generates enthusiasm from whoever won the product who will in turn share their support for that product with friends and family. In 2013 my family bought 4 kayaks from Next Adventure as well as a lot of accessories that added up to a few dollars. So I really don't believe dealers or manufacturers are damaged . It can be a great marketing and sales tactic if handled correctly. Besides the tax write off.
 All of us appreciate the effort , time, and inventory that Next Adventure puts into ORC. It wouldn't be the same without their work. I do wonder if other kayak companies have been or were solicited for a boat for ORC. It hasn't always been Hobie.....and I have to say it is the "best prize" for a fishing contest , a new kayak this is.  Not all our members can afford a brand new kayak . Nor are all of us sponsored and able to get a new kayak every year at cost or for free. It is great to have Raymarine and NRS on board . We can always appreciate new offers from a variety of producers. And with CJ's history with them they are a welcome addition.
 Maybe as a way to help HOW , we/the organizers could raffle off a new kayak and make money for them selling tickets. Love to help community organizations-- we all do. Might want to re-think that whole idea. I don't know if that is within the "legal bounds" but am sure that information could be found out.
 I do have different feelings going in to ORC this year. I will still try to make it there to re-unite with old friends and make new ones. You said you wanted input..... now you have a small bit of mine.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 13, 2015, 12:13:45 PM
Mark, absolutely we have solicited other kayak manufactures in fact before i was even in place at Next i had already started doing this as manufactures generally close out budgets by October of the previous year.  For 2016 we will be ahead of the game in asking the manufactures however for 2015 we were too late for them and at the current time giving away a boat is not something that Next as the primary sponsor is looking to do, and with the amount of man hours and resources they are putting out of pocket it is unfair to expect them to do so.  While we could in theory purchase the boat out of entry fees, most do agree we would rather see that money go to HOW who really needs it at the current time.

As for other changes- possibly in the future but we certainly dont want this event to change off of what has made it so well known.  Any changes you see will be moreso in the amount of good stuff the anglers are receiving with entry.  Nothing major and nothing that will effect the heart and soul of the event.  We hope that you will all bear with us on any changes and attend the event to support the community and the charities benefited.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 14, 2015, 06:48:55 PM
Anyone planning/wanting to share a space with someone. I just need a spot to hang up my hammock. If anyone is interested let me know. I'm not sure how spendy the spots are.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: craig on May 14, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
The spots were about $19 a night for a tent site. I can't remember the policy on extra vehicles/site?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 16, 2015, 08:29:50 PM
Oatis Approves of this Ninkasi Sponsorship

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Looks like Oatis has a birthday coming up. Congrats Lee on a good looking pup.
+1
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 16, 2015, 10:04:59 PM
I will attend this event because it's the ORC, and associated with NorthWest Kayak Anglers.  If it wasn't for NWKA there would be no ORC.  Certainly not the tournament so many have come to look forward to over the years.  As the tournament has grown some things have changed but it's always been an event where I could meet up with site admin, see old friends, and pretend to compete with some of the "pros" out there. 

Somehow statements including stuff like A team decision, From a marketing and sales perspective, and The planning group has decided leave me a little flat.  I personally prefer the non corporate side of life.  It just feels different.

Alan

+1

Well said AMB.  Couldn't agree more. 

What's the difference between winning a dealer donated boat and selling it for the cash, or winning a $1000 fish finder that will probably end up being sold as well?   I know I don't need a new fish finder, PFD, paddle or even a new kayak.
+1

I think Lauren is right: having a kayak as a prize adds to the excitement. I also agree with Allen. I find it hard to believe that donating a kayak to this event detracts from dealer profits very much. My guess is that the advertising value & potential tax write off would more than make up for the cost of the yak. I agree that it would be great if a manufacturer would step up with a kayak that an experienced yak angler would want to keep & fish with.

This is an NWKA event. Several NWKA members have donated quite a bit of time & effort to make this get-together a success in previous years & that's why it's grown. Were the hours that members put in "unfair" to them?

The ORC isn't that far off. Has anyone from NA followed up with Ninkasi yet? It would be a good idea to either get on it asap or delegate a responsible volunteer (like me, for example).

Why is the entry fee going up? If it's all for charity, I'd like to know exactly what the % for charity is going to be.

siebler - I can appreciate how much work this is & I'll respect your opinion, but I think the rational so far is a little weak on logic & evidence. I think some of us will feel a little more comfortable when we see how much is going to which charities as well as sign-up documents, a list of rules, sponsors, prizes, & what's in the Bag.

Respectfully,
Paul
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 17, 2015, 11:02:50 AM
We will certainly give hard numbers on donations and all when they come.about after the event.  We have actually been building a stronger relationship with Neighbors for Kids and several of us are takjng a trip to the coast and the facility coming up.  Also I feel a very strong connection to HOW as i did found and coordinate the SoCal chapter prior to moving here and in my time doing so raised over 40k through benefit events.  I want nothing kore than for this years ORC and future to continue to support these awesome charities and to bring a community of kayak fishermen together.

The beer follow up was dkne through the online form and other sponsors are signing on.  Please watch the Facebook page for updates- they have been limited and i appologize for that however we are getting more specific commitments as we draw closer and will continue to put this information up there.

I appreciate everyone's input and support, i expect that however you feel about the event after its over that i will hear about it.  And I want nothing more than exactly that as this is your event and i am only here to help ensure it goes great for everybody.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: TP on May 17, 2015, 11:50:18 AM
Ninkasi is in the works! There will be beer!
Registration is ready to go live, just waiting for the web team to post it up on Monday
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: TP on May 17, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
Description and schedule is updated now! If anyone is interested in volunteering their time at the event or in it's planning please shoot me an email at psckey@nextadventure.net
Thanks,
Tanner
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 17, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
I called chinook bend and reserved a spot. It is priced per tent/ vehicle in the site but they said with us they are a bit lenient. The cost is 25 to be close to the festivities, or 30 to be on the river plus the 20%. I booked mine from Thursday night to sunday and I only have a hammock if someone wants to join me.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bluewrx02 on May 17, 2015, 05:40:07 PM
Any thoughts on hard cider for the ladies/men who don't drink beer as cider is fast growing in the PNW. Don't get me wrong, I love Ninkasi and don't really care about cider, but just another option for others to have fun.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 17, 2015, 06:25:53 PM
Any thoughts on hard cider for the ladies/men who don't drink beer as cider is fast growing in the PNW. Don't get me wrong, I love Ninkasi and don't really care about cider, but just another option for others to have fun.

I live in albany, I could go talk to two towns cider if one of the administrative gives me some more information on how they could sponsor
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 17, 2015, 07:04:08 PM
I have a Question/suggestion for all the volunteers of the ORC. I know a kayak Is a big motivator for the ORC(I know it got my attention) and I understand if there isn't going to be one given to the 1st place person. What there was a way to set up a Pre raffle. Could the people who are setting up the link for paying for the tournament also add a link or page to buy raffle tickets. Obviously you guys would decide how much the raffle tickets would cost and what kayak would be raffled. If there was a way we could do this I know me personally would buy $100 of raffle tickets. Now im not very good at math(joke) but 100+ competitors + family and friends + 5 to 10 dollar raffle tickets = at least a couple thousand dollars. Also all of the additional money(left over after buying a kayak) would go to HOW or any other charity that may be in the mix. This will get more people to pitch in and buy raffle tickets. This may not be formulated very well but that could be the long day I have had and beer I have drank.

So my finally thoughts on this are it is a win-win for everyone. There would still be a kayak being given away at the ORC and the Charities would get more money. 

Am I just crazy, or would this work? anyone agree/disagree? or have there two cents to put in?


Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Justin on May 17, 2015, 07:36:16 PM
Any thoughts on hard cider for the ladies/men who don't drink beer as cider is fast growing in the PNW. Don't get me wrong, I love Ninkasi and don't really care about cider, but just another option for others to have fun.

I live in albany, I could go talk to two towns cider if one of the administrative gives me some more information on how they could sponsor
Two towns is awesome!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: INSAYN on May 17, 2015, 10:46:03 PM
All I request publicly at this time is that the ORC stays an NWKA event.   With that, I don't really care who puts in the time to facilitate it, but please keep it an NWKA event.  Right now with NA making all the decisions, changes and moving all the info and updates to Facebook, it leaves me wondering where is this going long term? 

I know Facebook is all the rage right now and is great for those that use Facebook for communication, but this should be an NWKA event, thus fully disclosed on NWKA forums throughout it's entirety.  If it is now going to be a full on NA event with a different direction, it possibly renamed something else.   

On top of that, I fully support raising money for HOW, along with Depoe Bay's Neighbors for Kids.  In the past few years, HOW has been supported separately from the ORC entries with small side bets like the Barbie Rod challenge, donation can, and a great dinner/breakfast put on by Ling Banger and company. 

I too would like to know why the registration was raised this year, and what the breakdown is "before" the signup gets underway, rather than after it's all over.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 18, 2015, 10:03:12 AM
I will reply more in depth later however folks please realized that Next is not making all the decisions and in fact the decision of higher entry and no boat were largely in part made by several of the guys who planned previous years events through meetings with them.  More than anything I have come in just to do logiatics and sponsor outreach.  Next is simply providing resources and staff at their expense to ensure everything goes smooth as possible and that everybody has a good time.  The decision to not give away a kayak is not at a planning level bit is at a sponsorship level.

There has always been updates on the facebook and absolutely we will put updates in this thread as well.  The reason you will see the Facebook (which has existed since long before i was part of this plannjng) utilized more for is to keep sponsors wanting to support the event.  I absolutely hate social media personally but every vendor now days views these pages as important marketing assets and so we want to be sure to give them the support and exposure the deserve thorough this avenue.   100% does not mean we wont do updates on NWKA or keep this an NWKA event.

I will work on gettjng a solid breakdown for entry fees this week and also make slme announcements about prizes and all as the stakes are a lot higher than anybody is giving credit for.  While we may not be giving away a Hobie there are tons of other sponsors stepping up to make this event successful and we have some really cool stuff in the works.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 18, 2015, 10:16:10 AM

 I just checked ORC on Facebook. On April 3,2015 it was stated that sign-ups would be happening "soon". That was a month and a half ago.........

 With less than two months until July11.... where is the sign-up and registration ???

 Get on it !!!!
 Put it on NWKA's home page.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on May 18, 2015, 10:26:36 AM
I thought NWKA was a social media and more specifically one for guys that buy kayaks and fishing gear? I would think the fishing and kayak gear sponsors "that should be who sponsors these things"would want more of us looking at there gear then say snowboarders, hikers, mountain bikers? Not trying to fan any flames just putting my$0.02 in.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Wingshooter on May 18, 2015, 10:28:40 AM
Thank you for the official announcement. I will try and rally a bunch of NCKA to come up again this year. Couple questions...

- This is NOT a Hobie Worlds Qualifier?

- The entry has risen to $50 this year. The extra money going as cash prizes? Does this include launching fee?

- No Boat for 1st place this year?

- Not an official NWKA only event?

- Is this a non-profit event? Charity donation?

Thanks for putting this together. I run several NCKA events and I know how much work these can be. Keep up the good fight.

Mike
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: TP on May 18, 2015, 10:37:52 AM
Registration is live!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 18, 2015, 10:46:00 AM
Registrstion is live and link will be up here shortly.  Sorry for delay in putting uo registration- we wanted to ensure we did through new system which should make easier on everybody

While forums like NWKA is a social media they are jot monitored or treated near the same as Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram unfortunately (like isaid I hate Facebook and all personally).  Announcements will be put in both places.


This years event is not a qualifier.  Again a group decision that verh much incliluded last years planners.

No boat but a very nice prize pack for 1st place that should easily rival or exceed the value of a boat and be more useful to anglers hopefully.

Entry fee breakdown i will get together this week for folks.  There will be some new ways to win and some new goodies for anglers which we will outline as well.

100% a Charity non profit event.  Next and other sponsors will not benefit from the entry fees or other funds.  Entry will support the event, HOW, and Neighbors for Kids.


Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: TP on May 18, 2015, 11:00:56 AM
Utilizing multiple facets of social media only gets more attention to the event, NWKA will always be its home, but it's also going to get announced other places because it gets a great response and can be shown to a much broader audience, which gets more people in the sport, and on NWKA.

Next Adventure has been the largest sponsor of this event for a while. They donate money and resources to make this tourny happen, as you all remember the "Free Boat" last year was a $2,000 Next Adventure gift card. Next doesn't want to do that this year. Not my call, but not unreasonable in the slightest. 

The planning of this event has fallen a lot on myself and CJ, in no way are we making all the decisions. We are just the go between for sponsors, and the ones putting together the day to day operations of the event. Most of this is on our time.

This is everyones tournament, if you want to find a way to raffle a boat or get one for a prize, by all means please do so, make this event the way you want, let us know how we can help.

 I will say that the door to help plan is and always been open, and very few if any community members have attempted to help beyond comments online.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: DWB123 on May 18, 2015, 11:51:53 AM
Wait, so you raised the price to a specific amount, and can't explain why you arrived at that amount? That seems bass-ackwards to me. The legit way to go about it is to add up your costs/desired donation per registration amount, and THEN use that figure as your registration fee. An arbitrary, un-itemizable figure which you guys can't explain at the drop of a hat doesn't sit right.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Lee on May 18, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
It's a non profit tournament and you're raising the price to $50?  WTF?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: DWB123 on May 18, 2015, 12:03:44 PM
Lee, it's not the amount that's offensive (to me, at least), it's the inability to say WHY they reached that amount.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 18, 2015, 12:18:16 PM
Hey guys, can we put away the torches and pitchforks? The guys at Next are part of this community just like everyone else and are doing their best for this event while also trying to run the Paddle Sports Center. Next Adventure is helping in a big way by stepping up and putting their effort behind this tournament. I'm sure if all of you were trying to help plan this event you would appreciate some patience. I also missed how what was being given away as first prize of a tournament became so important to so many people. The prizes that are being lined up this year are pretty fantastic in my opinion, but I'm really just stoked to come and spend a weekend fishing and hanging out with everyone while supporting awesome causes.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: sumpNZ on May 18, 2015, 12:20:23 PM
Utilizing multiple facets of social media only gets more attention to the event, NWKA will always be its home, but it's also going to get announced other places because it gets a great response and can be shown to a much broader audience, which gets more people in the sport, and on NWKA.

Next Adventure has been the largest sponsor of this event for a while. They donate money and resources to make this tourny happen, as you all remember the "Free Boat" last year was a $2,000 Next Adventure gift card. Next doesn't want to do that this year. Not my call, but not unreasonable in the slightest. 

The planning of this event has fallen a lot on myself and CJ, in no way are we making all the decisions. We are just the go between for sponsors, and the ones putting together the day to day operations of the event. Most of this is on our time.

This is everyones tournament, if you want to find a way to raffle a boat or get one for a prize, by all means please do so, make this event the way you want, let us know how we can help.

 I will say that the door to help plan is and always been open, and very few if any community members have attempted to help beyond comments online.

I've run the taco feed for the previous 2 years, and helped out a lot with it 3 years ago.  That is just to say that I'm not just some internet commando spouting off who never kicks in to help run things.

I like the idea of getting folks into kayaks and fishing the tournament.  But this has been an NWKA event since long before I was around.  Turning it into a kayak fishing tournament that some guys from NWKA happen to also show up for is not what will turn my crank.  Big difference to me there.

It has always been a little questionable whether I'd even make ORC this year due to my grad school requirements, and that was the primary reason I stepped back from running the taco feed again this year.  In addition, this year I have some family stuff going on that weekend that I'll be under pressure to pitch in for.  And my wife suggested that maybe I actually go deer hunting this year as a way to make up for missing ORC if I help out with the family stuff.  When she was pregnant with #4 she asked me pick one species to hunt due to the time it takes me away from home, and I chose elk over deer.  A reasonable request on her part, all things considered.  So for her to offer up a free pass to go deer hunting on top of elk hunting is going to be hard to turn down.

I can live with no boat as the grand prize (realistically I'm not a good enough or lucky enough fisherman to win it anyway), though that was a definite pull.  I can live with the entry fee going up, so long as there's a good explanation for why and where that money is going. 

What might just tip me over to skipping it rather than making it happen is if this becomes something other than an "NWKA Event".  To me, at least, the community of NWKA is much more important than the prize list, entry fees, and so on.  I'm not saying it should be exclusive to NWKA members, but the focus should remain on NWKA folks. 

Including ORC I'm triple booked for that weekend.  Something is going to give.  I'm still very much undecided which it will be.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 18, 2015, 12:20:30 PM
Lee, it's not the amount that's offensive (to me, at least), it's the inability to say WHY they reached that amount.
Did you not see the previous comment about how he is working on posting a breakdown of the entry fee and that Next isn't making any profit on this event - it's all going to HOW, Neighbors for Kids, and cost of the event?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: DWB123 on May 18, 2015, 12:35:04 PM
Oh, I saw it. But the process is cart-before-the-horse.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Lee on May 18, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
$50 entry fee,  camping charges,  out of state license, dealing with asshole locals at the ramp and out on the water.   Hanging out with NWKA Bros was priceless,  now it's expensive. 
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 18, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
Also, when did Next Adventure become some big mean corporation that is taking over our organic, locally produced fun? Everyone wants a local store in their community that they can walk into and talk to a real person about what their looking for and how to get better at their activity or join a group, right? Well guess what, Next Adventure is that store. This isn't a corporate takeover that we can rebel against with our hipster angst, this is an organization trying to offer their resources to the table so that this event can be better. I think we can all agree that the communication hasn't been awesome, but what year have we done this tournament since there were more than a couple of dozen people where everything went smooth and without a hitch? If you disagree with me, you weren't close enough to the planning process to see what was really going on. Next Adventure is a part of the NWKA community, not separate from it so as far as I'm concerned this still is and will always be an NWKA event.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Justin on May 18, 2015, 01:12:17 PM
Could I make a suggestion for the registration page?  Link if back to this site with all of the official rules/safety stuff.

Last year I ran into a couple fisherman who

a: had never heard of NWKA,
b: fishing in shorts and t-shirt
c: had no idea where the awards ceremony was being held.

They had just got on Nexts website and signed up.  I'm not sure how they got past the checkout station without the safety gear, or past the coast guard safety check....

Anyways, I don't mind the $50 for charity.  I'll have way more then that invested in the trip already.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: crabbycabby on May 18, 2015, 01:38:53 PM
Could I make a suggestion for the registration page?  Link if back to this site with all of the official rules/safety stuff.

Last year I ran into a couple fisherman who

a: had never heard of NWKA,
b: fishing in shorts and t-shirt
c: had no idea where the awards ceremony was being held.

They had just got on Nexts website and signed up.  I'm not sure how they got past the checkout station without the safety gear, or past the coast guard safety check....

Anyways, I don't mind the $50 for charity.  I'll have way more then that invested in the trip already.

I was fairly shocked to see the guys out there in shorts and t-shirt as well, I was under the impression that immersion gear was required for participation.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 18, 2015, 02:01:34 PM
I was fairly shocked to see the guys out there in shorts and t-shirt as well, I was under the impression that immersion gear was required for participation.

Before we all get our safety-cop superiority complex in full swing, I'd like to stick up for at least one individual who was out there. He is a friend of mine. He was wearing a "shorty" wetsuit with clothes on top (and PFD of course) and probably appeared as though he was not wearing immersion gear. He is an experienced kayak fisherman and has plenty of experience in cold water adventures. Additionally he was fishing with other people.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 18, 2015, 02:01:55 PM
Could I make a suggestion for the registration page?  Link if back to this site with all of the official rules/safety stuff.

Last year I ran into a couple fisherman who

a: had never heard of NWKA,
b: fishing in shorts and t-shirt
c: had no idea where the awards ceremony was being held.

They had just got on Nexts website and signed up.  I'm not sure how they got past the checkout station without the safety gear, or past the coast guard safety check....

Anyways, I don't mind the $50 for charity.  I'll have way more then that invested in the trip already.
Thanks for bringing this up. We talked about this in meetings this year and there will be better enforcement of safety rules - both on the registration side, as well as during the tourney.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 18, 2015, 02:14:29 PM
We don't talk about this to single people out and shun them. We talk about it to minimize the liability to those who are sticking their neck out there to organize the event. I don't care how good of a fisherman is or how experienced they are on the ocean, if they want to play they have to follow the rules, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 18, 2015, 02:36:34 PM
i go to the 11th on the calendar and nada coming up other than info for tourney , not seeing any way to register yet? JUST CURIOUS, where is prize list?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: FireFly on May 18, 2015, 02:40:39 PM
i go to the 11th on the calendar and nada coming up other than info for tourney , not seeing any way to register yet? JUST CURIOUS, where is prize list?

http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 18, 2015, 03:07:10 PM
We don't talk about this to single people out and shun them. We talk about it to minimize the liability to those who are sticking their neck out there to organize the event. I don't care how good of a fisherman is or how experienced they are on the ocean, if they want to play they have to follow the rules, plain and simple.

I have no problem with people having to play by the rules. There was nothing stated last year that a shorty wetsuit was not allowed as appropriate immersion gear.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on May 18, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
i go to the 11th on the calendar and nada coming up other than info for tourney , not seeing any way to register yet? JUST CURIOUS, where is prize list?

http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html
That's funny for a NWKA EVENT  I didn't see it mentioned once on the next adventure page unless I missed it ?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: DWB123 on May 18, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
i go to the 11th on the calendar and nada coming up other than info for tourney , not seeing any way to register yet? JUST CURIOUS, where is prize list?

http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html
That's funny for a NWKA EVENT  I didn't see it mentioned once on the next adventure page unless I missed it ?

If you go to the sign up page you won't see any mention of NorthWest Kayak Anglers either.  Looks like a Next Adventure event to me -

Alan

Dude it's in the first freaking sentence:

"The 8th annual Oregon Rockfish Classic presented by Next Adventure and Northwest Kayak Anglers will take place on July 11th 2015 at Depoe Bay, OR."
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: amb on May 18, 2015, 03:43:56 PM
Read it three times and did not see it - Sorry -

Alan
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: INSAYN on May 18, 2015, 03:47:44 PM
i go to the 11th on the calendar and nada coming up other than info for tourney , not seeing any way to register yet? JUST CURIOUS, where is prize list?

http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html
That's funny for a NWKA EVENT  I didn't see it mentioned once on the next adventure page unless I missed it ?

If you go to the sign up page you won't see any mention of NorthWest Kayak Anglers either.  Looks like a Next Adventure event to me -

Alan

My point exactly. 


NA please advertise the "2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic" as the "2015 Northwest Kayak Angler Oregon Rockfish Classic".


Thanks!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on May 18, 2015, 03:57:47 PM
Guess it got added after mentioning it. Just an oversight? My wife also read it and read it out load. So with the comment of dude it's right there should have been more like sorry it was an oversight and we added it. It was not there when I made that comment.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on May 18, 2015, 05:16:31 PM
It's also not here screen shots from an iPhone
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: polepole on May 18, 2015, 05:21:20 PM
Hi guys,

Let's not propagate the madness.  I prefer to view Next as partners in this, and partners should talk openly and with respect.  I believe Next is trying to do right by all.  It may not seem that way, but if you're really fired up about it, volunteer to help with the planning next year.   ::)

-Allen
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Justin on May 18, 2015, 06:53:12 PM
Hi guys,

Let's not propagate the madness.  I prefer to view Next as partners in this, and partners should talk openly and with respect.  I believe Next is trying to do right by all.  It may not seem that way, but if you're really fired up about it, volunteer to help with the planning next year.   ::)

-Allen

+1

It's a lot of work.  I'm glad I'm not in charge.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 18, 2015, 07:34:17 PM
where exactly do i register? all i am seeing is what mojo jojo just posted......or is actually registering form still to come??
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on May 18, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
It's on our main page or here
http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 18, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
Someone said there was a prize list? Did I miss it?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 18, 2015, 09:13:53 PM
"simply go to July 11th on the calender, select how many participants, and click continue to enter your information." 
....this is not working, any link i go to....go to "calendar" on next adventure web site, click july 11 on orc and all i get is info, no where to register, somebody needs to make it easier to register like years before....like the AOTY registration on nwka homepage or somethin.


Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 18, 2015, 11:51:24 PM
Hi guys,

Let's not propagate the madness.  I prefer to view Next as partners in this, and partners should talk openly and with respect.  I believe Next is trying to do right by all.  It may not seem that way, but if you're really fired up about it, volunteer to help with the planning next year.   ::)

-Allen
I can go along with that & appreciate all the support NA has given this event. I did volunteer but evidently my help wasn't needed. Based on what's gone on in previous years, I'd guess that others are also willing to volunteer. I may be willing to volunteer again next year.  :-\

As close as the event is getting, I think the questions are justified. No offense intended, but I'd suggest that, unless they can tell us what's going on in a factual way, rawk & TJ quit fanning the flames. siebler (sp?) is doing a better job explaining this. Maybe I missed something, but I still don't see any rational explanation for why the fee went up.

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please clarify how this works? Where are the rules, waivers & boundary maps? What I see from the screen shots seem sketchy compared to last year.
http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 19, 2015, 08:59:48 AM
somebody help me out here!!!.....still cannot register.  am i the only one who`s having problem with this??
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 19, 2015, 09:17:19 AM


Hi guys,

Let's not propagate the madness.  I prefer to view Next as partners in this, and partners should talk openly and with respect.  I believe Next is trying to do right by all.  It may not seem that way, but if you're really fired up about it, volunteer to help with the planning next year.   ::)

-Allen
I can go along with that & appreciate all the support NA has given this event. I did volunteer but evidently my help wasn't needed. Based on what's gone on in previous years, I'd guess that others are also willing to volunteer. I may be willing to volunteer again next year.  :-

As close as the event is getting, I think the questions are justified. No offense intended, but I'd suggest that, unless they can tell us what's going on in a factual way, rawk & TJ quit fanning the flames. siebler (sp?) is doing a better job explaining this. Maybe I missed something, but I still don't see any rational explanation for why the fee went up.

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please clarify how this works? Where are the rules, waivers & boundary maps? What I see from the screen shots seem sketchy compared to last year.
http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html

My apologies if I have been coming across as a bit grumpy, but I don't feel it's fair or accurate to point the finger at TP and I as the ones 'fanning the flames' here.  ::)
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 19, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
somebody help me out here!!!.....still cannot register.  am i the only one who`s having problem with this??

I just tried and I don't have any issues with the site; I can get to the registration and all that. Maybe try a different device?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 19, 2015, 10:26:02 AM
Hi guys,

Let's not propagate the madness.  I prefer to view Next as partners in this, and partners should talk openly and with respect.  I believe Next is trying to do right by all.  It may not seem that way, but if you're really fired up about it, volunteer to help with the planning next year.   ::)

-Allen

What "madness" exactly are you referring to? Asking for a simple justification of the price increase? Asking for the "rules, waivers & boundary maps?" (PNW)

For my part, I'm a little confused to hear the message that ORC is: "... a weekend fishing and hanging out with everyone while supporting awesome causes." (Rawkfish) If that's the case then let's call it what it is: a charity BBQ with a raffle, and get on with it. We would avoid a lot of confusion.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: snopro on May 19, 2015, 10:48:19 AM
Obviously people are passionate about this event.  I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to "fan the flames".  Change makes people ask questions.  More information and communication about the changes occurring to 2015 ORC should quiet things down. 

Speaking of change, this looks interesting.
There will be some new ways to win and some new goodies for anglers which we will outline as well.

Here's a suggestion on a possible "new ways to win".

Put some focus back on rockfish.  I think it's strange the species the event is named after has little to do with the top ten final standings.  What about greenling.  It's never going to be a player even though it's listed as one of the four target species for the contest.

The idea.  Keep ORC as a heaviest fish contest, but the first four places have to go to different species.  In this scenario 1st place would likely go to a cabby or ling, 2nd to a cabby or ling, 3rd would probably be a rockfish and 4th a greenling.  After 4th place go by heaviest fish any species.

Why?  It would open different strategies for doing well at ORC.  It would spread pressure around instead of on only the two largest species.  It would bring the rockfish back to some importance in the ORC.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 19, 2015, 11:03:21 AM
FYI, I've started counting the number of ORC2015 complaint/gripe posts per user.    I think I'm going to use that list to find "volunteers" to run ORC2016.   

I'm not talking about volunteers to be captain of condiments at the pot luck, I'm talking about getting sponsors, filling our permits, obtaining the correct liability insurance, and dealing with the registrations, waivers, questions, concerns, etc...  There is a ton of work, responsibility, and liability with running a large tournament like this and it's actually a real PITA and can take a lot of the fun out of the tournament for those who have to run it. 

In fact, I mistakenly thought I could get a little bit of fishing in the year I co-ran this tournament.   I stuck around the launch for a couple hours to help with late registrations and finally paddled out around 8:30. When I came back in, just a few hours later to do the weigh in between noon and 3 pm (which I had announced I would do)  I had people bitching and moaning at me because I wasn't there to weigh their 2 lb black rockfish when they came in at 9:30 am.   

I'm personally very happy that Next Adventure is willing to take on all that for us while still getting a bunch of prizes from sponsors and giving the proceeds away to our preferred charities.   It sounds like communication between Next Adventure and NWKA could be improved and I'm guessing it probably will be for next year.  That is of course if we don't drive them away from doing it again first.

Brian
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 19, 2015, 11:07:44 AM
FYI, I've started counting the number of ORC2015 complaint/gripe posts per user.    I think I'm going to use that list to find "volunteers" to run ORC2016.   

So your message is "shut up and take what we give you" basically? Good to know.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 19, 2015, 11:10:28 AM

The idea.  Keep ORC as a heaviest fish contest, but the first four places have to go to different species.  In this scenario 1st place would likely go to a cabby or ling, 2nd to a cabby or ling, 3rd would probably be a rockfish and 4th a greenling.  After 4th place go by heaviest fish any species.



I actually like this idea.


somebody help me out here!!!.....still cannot register.  am i the only one who`s having problem with this??


I will say it's not very intuitive...   this is how I registered..

I went to this page..
http://nextadventure.net/community/event/oregon-rockfish-classic

The form is weird, but after the description and schedule of events you'll see "Select the number of participants".  Below that is a pull down to actually select the number.   Defualt is "1", but if you have more you'll want to select a different number.

Below that is a very faint calendar.  You need to find July 11 and select it.   There are little arrows that let you change the month at the top of the calendar.

Once you select July 11, you'll see a "confirm selection" for the number of participants, the date, and the price.  Then you can select "Continue" and things proceed as normal from there regarding address and credit card entry.

Brian





Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: FireFly on May 19, 2015, 11:18:04 AM
As long as there is still winning a spot for single lightest fish caught...Im in.....Im gonna win that sucker again  :laughing6:
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 19, 2015, 11:34:47 AM
FYI, I've started counting the number of ORC2015 complaint/gripe posts per user.    I think I'm going to use that list to find "volunteers" to run ORC2016.   

So your message is "shut up and take what we give you" basically? Good to know.

No, that was more of a "put up or shut up".     It's slightly different, I was offering people with strong opinions a chance to help make things better next year.

I agree that communication between Next Adventure and NWKA could have been better, asking for clarification is good, and I think the communication is getting better.  I personally feel they are doing us a big favor by handling logistics and I had hoped that this thread would have had us thanking Next Adventure for their support rather than becoming a public gripe fest.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 19, 2015, 11:34:48 AM
We are a bit past the point of format for this year's tournament, but I like the suggestion. We could get a discussion going for format ideas for next year.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 19, 2015, 12:02:55 PM
I am going to go later this week and see if two towns cider house will sponsor and do a pony keg or keg. If they say yes, what kind would people want or suggest?

I'm a beer guy myself, but I don't mind going and try g to do this for people who arent.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: crash on May 19, 2015, 02:51:09 PM
I've had a blast at the last two ORC events, looking forward to this one and cleared my calendar for that weekend months ago.

I even went into Lincoln City and won their poker tournament at the casino the next day!

We should have a good part of the lost coast crew there again this year. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 19, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
"Select the number of participants"

 not seeing this. have tried work puter too. do i need to register with and log on to next adventure web site??
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 19, 2015, 06:01:40 PM
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Oregon Rockfish Classic


When: Saturday, July 11th (see schedule of events below)
Where: Depoe Bay, OR
 
The 8th annual Oregon Rockfish Classic presented by Next Adventure will take place on July 11th 2015 at Depoe Bay, OR. Proudly the largest kayak fishing tournament in the Northwest, the ORC always creates a spirit of friendly competition and camaraderie for the kayak fishing community. With both new and continuing sponsors joining forces, this years ORC is shaping up to be the biggest and best yet. Your participation helps great causes: Neighbors for Kids, a Depoe Bay organization that provides safe activities and places for local children. And, Heroes on The Water Oregon and Northwest chapters, a national organization providing kayak fishing and relief trips for veterans.
 
This is a single heaviest fish tournament. All entries must be brought to shore and weighed in before 2PM at the weigh-in station on the day of the tournament. Targeted species for this tournament are lingcod, cabezon, rockfish, and greenling.
 
Schedule Of Events:
 Friday, July 10th at Chinook Bend Campground
 5:00pm: Check in Opens
 6:00pm: Heroes on the Water Benefit Dinner
 7:00pm: Mandatory* Captain’s Meeting
 
Saturday July 11th:
 5:00am: First Shuttle leaves for Depoe Bay
 5:30am: Weigh in/Check in opens
 6:00am: launch opens
 10:00am: Weigh in Opens
 2:00pm: Weigh in Closes
 6:00pm: Fish Fry
 7:00pm: Awards Ceremony
 

 
 

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oregon kayak fishing.


Dept:


Kayak School

Paddlesports.
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this is all i am getting.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: crash on May 19, 2015, 06:10:20 PM
dampainter:

go to this link:

http://nextadventure.net/oregon-rockfish-classic.html

Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 19, 2015, 06:16:36 PM
not working, never had this problem before. i`ll call the store to register. thanks to all for putting this on.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: crash on May 19, 2015, 06:17:26 PM
not working, never had this problem before. i`ll call the store to register. thanks to all for putting this on.

Do you have javascript disabled?

Try a different browser?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 19, 2015, 06:25:56 PM
 dampaiter,

 You are not the only one having trouble with this "new and improved" registration. I click the link to Next Adventure , no problem, I see and check the drop down for number of participants ,no problem, I see the faint calendar and use the arrows to go to July ,no problem , however.......when I try to click on July 11th , a problem. It (July 11th) is  only on screen for a millisecond then disappears and I can't continue with my registration. I have tried multiple times and still can't proceed and I'm not happy.
 So I have ben wondering if we could possibly have a registration sticky on NWKA's homepage rather than going through NA's site ? If that would be too much of a problem to do then I will keep trying to register through NA's site.
I really don't want to make the 300 mile round trip to Portland and have to do this in person at Next Adventure. I hope there is a more simple way to make this happen.
                 Mark
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: crash on May 19, 2015, 06:32:37 PM
I was able to replicate the problem in Internet Explorer.  If you guys are still using IE you should switch to Chrome.  No one is going to continue supporting IE, not even microsoft.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: TP on May 19, 2015, 06:50:53 PM
Sometimes this reservation software is finicky on IE or on comps with out of date flash, you can always stop by the paddle sports center or call in to register. By using this software(whether signed up online or through the store) however we get more accurate and easier to use participant lists and confirmations, which in turn will make check in/weigh in much easier and more efficient on the day of the event.

Everyone involved in the planning of this year ORC really appreciates your patience as we get this running. I can't promise that everything will go smoothly, but I can promise that we can all go fishing, have some beer and a good time, and give something back to HOW and neighbors for kids.

There's obviously a lot of passion for this event and everything it represents, and while Next is helping quite a bit, at the end of the day it's still just a handful of kayak anglers trying to put it together that share your passion. As we get things nailed down we will continue to update this thread.

Thank You,
Tanner
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 19, 2015, 07:22:17 PM
thats it crash thanks! i did the chrome and i think i`m good now.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 19, 2015, 09:37:28 PM
I like you guys & I don't want to go tit for tat with anyone on this discussion. I'd prefer to have a good time. I very much appreciate Next Adventure's support & certainly don't want to drive anyone away. Although I've done it myself & it may seem amusing at the time, the use of mild sarcasm when addressing questions can sometimes be perceived as fanning the flames. I shouldn't have to explain why.

I see nothing wrong with asking for more transparency & I'm not adverse to helping with planning & implementation when the need arises, especially if asked to do so early on. I know there are other long time members who feel the same way. Perhaps if the work got spread around a little more & interested members could be mentored into the inner workings of this event it wouldn't be such a burden for the ones who take responsibility for planning & implementation. It's a little late for that for this year. I would also hesitate to disparage the efforts of anyone who chooses to contribute, including those who invest no small amount of time & energy on organizing meals. Sorry if I seem a little grumpy. It's been a long day at work.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bluewrx02 on May 19, 2015, 11:16:40 PM
Is one of the ways to win with a Barbie pole? I'm going to fish exclusively with them!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 19, 2015, 11:53:53 PM
  There have been a lot of great suggestions and ideas shared on this thread so far and I hope they continue. That is how we all can grow and become better . I get the feeling that a few toes may have been stepped on and I hope that will not discourage participation from anyone.
  We all need to keep the communication flowing. If that means you have said or promised a certain idea or thought or bit of information then follow through with what you have offered. Don't make promises you're not going to keep. That doesn't do anyone any good.

 Some of the suggestions I especially like

 Snopro's idea of delegating winners based on the different specie of fish. I think that could be a welcome addition to the competition.

 Paul's thought on more transparency is outstanding. Not all decisions made need to be aired in public... but some decisions demand an explanation. Make it happen.

 Tanner's honesty about getting folks registered to make things easier at weigh-in and just having a good time with like minded folks was refreshing and correct.

 Brian's thoughts on bettering communication between NWKA and Next Adventure. As well as his saying to not be burning bridges . That needed to be said. And clarification of changes will only help us all. And I agree that we all need to be giving Next Adventure a huge thank-you for all the work they put into making ORC a success.

 Lauren's thought's on justifying price increases. And asking for the rules, boundaries , and waivers. There are always new people to ORC that don't have a clue. Sure they can search past threads but people are lazy or don't make the time to do their homework.

 Allen's idea about viewing Next Adventure as a partner in this endeavor. They are certainly a big part of ORC. And that demands acknowledgement.

 Craig, Mojo ,and Andrews comments on this tournament being an NWKA event. I will agree that to be the case. And more information should be here -- not on a facebook page.

 Lee, Dave and Jeff's comment about the increase in price and how that has been promised to be explained. That hasn't happened yet-- maybe it will.. maybe it won't.

 And to Tanner and CJ-- thank-you for the work you are putting into ORC. A lot of your teasing us with things to come are a bit irritating but it will all work out eventually. At least we all hope so. Keep working with us all... w all want ORC to  be the best it can be. Appreciate that you are listening .

 And to the many "new guys "" coming to ORC 2015 welcome. I'd recommend going through past years ORC threads to learn about boundaries, rules, suggested gear, proper protocall for Depoe Bay and other answers to questions you may have. I know I have gone back and read an re-read all the posts about past ORC's. Lots of worth while information even if it does take some time and effort.

 Oregon Rockfish Classic is a great event. Lots of  great people, awesome food, super competition with fellow kayakers, and good times at Chinook Bend both before and after the actual competition. The prizes are just icing on the cake and that includes the Captain's Bags. If you are on the fence about coming to ORC---- make it happen. You won't be sorry--- you'll be anxiously waiting for the next one.......

                                          Mark

 
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 20, 2015, 09:37:43 AM
Mark,

Thanks for a great recap.  It really does a great job gleaning the current concerns and a plan forward, particularly for next year.

I think somewhere I have a Google map of the ORC boundaries.  I'll double check to see if they are still valid and make adjustments if needed.  I can then present the Google Map here on the forum, give it to Next for their site, and offer some data files that can be uploaded onto at least Lowrance and probably Humminbird plotters.   
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: sumpNZ on May 20, 2015, 11:17:59 AM
Mark - that was a great recap. 

FWIW, at this point I'm leaning towards skipping this year's ORC.  Not because of anything coming out of this thread, but I'm tripple booked for that weekend.  My older boy desperatley wants to go to a summer camp where they'll teach him how to make his own bow and arrows.  That's July 10-12, and they require an adult to be with each kid.  My wife's cousin is also putting a new roof on his house, and that cousin has helped us out in the past so we owe it to them to help out when they ask.  That is set for July 11.  ORC is July 11.  I can't be in 3 places at once.  As much as I REALLY want to go to ORC again, I'm not sure I can justify disappointing my boy and the extended family in order to go.

Plus, my wife sweetened the pot by suggesting that I take my older daughter deer hunting in the fall to make up for skipping ORC. 

I've still got some time to make up my mind, but I'd put the odds of making ORC this year at less than 50% right now.

Even if I don't go, whoever does step up to run the taco feed can feel free to ask me for advice and assistance between now and then.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Great Bass 2 on May 20, 2015, 02:21:40 PM
I was unable to register on my IPhone today.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bluewrx02 on May 20, 2015, 06:51:15 PM
I was unable to register on my iPhone and a windows 8 PC. Will try when I fly home.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Wingshooter on May 20, 2015, 07:25:36 PM
Myself and a bunch of NCKA travel as far as 1200 miles some further to fish and hangout at this great event every year along with a bunch of other NCKA members. I think it's a great event.  I also wanted to win it as a Hobie Team member and fish Worlds and win a new Hobie. Now it's not a qualifier, no boat for the winner and the price went up and everyone seems all pissed off.  :-\.

I have to be honest, compared to last year and what's offered this year, I see this event as it stands as a huge mismanagement of resources, price increase, no world qualifier and no real cash or boat as a prize. Well some look at it and go, "it's just a great get together with friends." Yes, that is true too but at $50 plus all the travel expenses for guys like me and others to get up there is hundreds of dollars. Is it worth it...

Anyway, A little about me. I am a business owner. I spent a large amount of time as a Sacramento 2030 member, organizing charity events: concerts, golf tourneys and crab and lobster feeds. I am also currently a tourney director within NCKA, both salt and fresh for a few years now. I love it. I've seen all types of tourney formulas, dealt with tons of sponsors and every tourney I've ever ran was a non profit event and truly uninfluenced by any company, a true club for the members event. Sure all the events had sponsors but non pulling the strings. So what you guys may have here in my opinion, is a tourney ran by some club members for a company through your club, not a club member running a tourney for the club members, a bad thing, no not really. But you have to look at it at a business perspective now and what's best for the puppet master? They want exposure, ROI and a possible write off, every company does, it's just business. And from what I've seen this business takes good care of your club. They most likely want a HOW 501c and it make sense. NA gets the write off and HOW gets some funds, great… what about the club guys who want to win some cash or a boat for the increased $50 admission they shell'd out? Won't happen the way it's set up now, the way it's always been run.  :banjo: I reckon it might be time for change! hauckting.

You guys can fix it and more. Here's how in my opinion, everyone can win and this mind you is my 2cents, grain of salt…  ;D

OK the formula
-100 guys give or take @ $50 ( little steep $$ but we'll make it work) = $5000 low ball

- Bunch of product donated by manufacturers/ sponsors of NA to be given away. No, stop! Raffle time!

 - Let's raffle it all off. $5 a ticket, individual ticket collection boxes per item so anglers can CHOOSE what they want to win. I have done a raffle at all of my events and have raised thousands of dollars for charity. Mine were a little different with no collection boxes, just a general raffle. Actually Eric Stockwell the GS director has really figured it out. His idea of using the ticket collection boxes seems to be the best method for both the anglers and funds generated.  Give Me Shelter tourney last weekend, their raffle with maybe 15 items collected nearly $4000! Anyways It works, well!

- Now all this raffle money goes to the HOW charity and for expenses (potluck items, ice, whatever). Also NA gets their 501c write-off  :evil5: cause it's in there best interest. Both are happy.

- Now, what about the $5000 from angler admissions.  :o Well take half of that and purchase a nice new Hobie from NA, ahhh now they have sales too and are super happy  :hello2:. Give it away as a raffle item. One ticket per angler included in each angler grab bag - this will also increase participation #'s. 

- What about the remaining $2500? Well this goes as prize money for the first 10 places. Everyone loves winning cash!

So that's it and please remember these numbers are not exact, but examples and you might get more than 100 anglers. Sure it sounds simple, easy and to the point but will take a little planning. I take my hat off to the tourney director, been there. You have to deal with a lot of shit, some good, some bad and maybe a few comments like this post. But I hope I did not offend anyone, I am really trying to help. I really like this event and I want to see it grow and continue and maybe bring my son to one day. These are just a few proven suggestions that might just work for your club/ events for now and into the future.  Again, grain of salt my brothers.

Mike Lavoie
Lowrance Rockfish Tourney Director
FreshKATs.com Series Director
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: DWB123 on May 20, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
I'm not doing ORC this year b/c of the already cited issues, but I would sign up for what you described in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 20, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
Myself and a bunch of NCKA travel as far as 1200 miles some further to fish and hangout at this great event every year along with a bunch of other NCKA members. I think it's a great event.  I also wanted to win it as a Hobie Team member and fish Worlds and win a new Hobie. Now it's not a qualifier, no boat for the winner and the price went up and everyone seems all pissed off.  :-\.

I have to be honest, compared to last year and what's offered this year, I see this event as it stands as a huge mismanagement of resources, price increase, no world qualifier and no real cash or boat as a prize. Well some look at it and go, "it's just a great get together with friends." Yes, that is true too but at $50 plus all the travel expenses for guys like me and others to get up there is hundreds of dollars. Is it worth it...

Anyway, A little about me. I am a business owner. I spent a large amount of time as a Sacramento 2030 member, organizing charity events: concerts, golf tourneys and crab and lobster feeds. I am also currently a tourney director within NCKA, both salt and fresh for a few years now. I love it. I've seen all types of tourney formulas, dealt with tons of sponsors and every tourney I've ever ran was a non profit event and truly uninfluenced by any company, a true club for the members event. Sure all the events had sponsors but non pulling the strings. So what you guys may have here in my opinion, is a tourney ran by some club members for a company through your club, not a club member running a tourney for the club members, a bad thing, no not really. But you have to look at it at a business perspective now and what's best for the puppet master? They want exposure, ROI and a possible write off, every company does, it's just business. And from what I've seen this business takes good care of your club. They most likely want a HOW 501c and it make sense. NA gets the write off and HOW gets some funds, great… what about the club guys who want to win some cash or a boat for the increased $50 admission they shell'd out? Won't happen the way it's set up now, the way it's always been run.  :banjo: I reckon it might be time for change! hauckting.

You guys can fix it and more. Here's how in my opinion, everyone can win and this mind you is my 2cents, grain of salt…  ;D

OK the formula
-100 guys give or take @ $50 ( little steep $$ but we'll make it work) = $5000 low ball

- Bunch of product donated by manufacturers/ sponsors of NA to be given away. No, stop! Raffle time!

 - Let's raffle it all off. $5 a ticket, individual ticket collection boxes per item so anglers can CHOOSE what they want to win. I have done a raffle at all of my events and have raised thousands of dollars for charity. Mine were a little different with no collection boxes, just a general raffle. Actually Eric Stockwell the GS director has really figured it out. His idea of using the ticket collection boxes seems to be the best method for both the anglers and funds generated.  Give Me Shelter tourney last weekend, their raffle with maybe 15 items collected nearly $4000! Anyways It works, well!

- Now all this raffle money goes to the HOW charity and for expenses (potluck items, ice, whatever). Also NA gets their 501c write-off  :evil5: cause it's in there best interest. Both are happy.

- Now, what about the $5000 from angler admissions.  :o Well take half of that and purchase a nice new Hobie from NA, ahhh now they have sales too and are super happy  :hello2:. Give it away as a raffle item. One ticket per angler included in each angler grab bag - this will also increase participation #'s. 

- What about the remaining $2500? Well this goes as prize money for the first 10 places. Everyone loves winning cash!

So that's it and please remember these numbers are not exact, but examples and you might get more than 100 anglers. Sure it sounds simple, easy and to the point but will take a little planning. I take my hat off to the tourney director, been there. You have to deal with a lot of shit, some good, some bad and maybe a few comments like this post. But I hope I did not offend anyone, I am really trying to help. I really like this event and I want to see it grow and continue and maybe bring my son to one day. These are just a few proven suggestions that might just work for your club/ events for now and into the future.  Again, grain of salt my brothers.

Mike Lavoie
Lowrance Rockfish Tourney Director
FreshKATs.com Series Director

Wow dude, it seemed to me like we were in the process of settling down and getting back to work on fixing things.  Meetings are being scheduled and people are coming to the table to get to work.  The last thing we need is someone else jumping in and stirring up the pot again.  Real classy.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Wingshooter on May 20, 2015, 07:56:10 PM
Wow, Sorry again if you think I'm trying to disrupt anything. Truly not my intention.
I would be coming up with an Elite 5 Chirp, A EGO extending Salmon net and grippers, Bags of Branson Baits and maybe some stuff from Scotty. Almost $1000 in sponsor product. I've been a sponsor for the last 3 years. Do you really think I'm trying to ruin this... enough said. Good luck brother.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: polepole on May 20, 2015, 08:16:00 PM
Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   >:D

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 20, 2015, 09:27:00 PM
Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   >:D

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen

Fair enough, I'm an ass.  ::)
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: crash on May 20, 2015, 09:57:48 PM
Mike is good people.  He didn't write all that for his own edification.  He is experienced and genuinely wants to help.  Take what he has to say or not, but get off his nuts.

Allen, I'll buy you a beer if thats what it takes to get you to orc this year.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 20, 2015, 10:23:33 PM
Mike is good people.  He didn't write all that for his own edification.  He is experienced and genuinely wants to help.  Take what he has to say or not, but get off his nuts.

Allen, I'll buy you a beer if thats what it takes to get you to orc this year.

 Totally agree with ya crash.

Unless things get a lot more positive and questions start getting answered on this thread I might join Jammer and Spot and suddenly have other plans too.
But that is not what I want to do.........
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 20, 2015, 10:32:57 PM
Wow, Sorry again if you think I'm trying to disrupt anything. Truly not my intention.
I would be coming up with an Elite 5 Chirp, A EGO extending Salmon net and grippers, Bags of Branson Baits and maybe some stuff from Scotty. Almost $1000 in sponsor product. I've been a sponsor for the last 3 years. Do you really think I'm trying to ruin this... enough said. Good luck brother.

We are sorry to be missing you and hope you will reconsider.  If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 20, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   >:D

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen
I don't know Mike, but +1 on the rest of it.

Jeff... buddy.... most of us realize how much work goes into this & appreciate the effort, especially if it turns out well. It's probably a good strategy to at least discuss the advice from someone who might know what he's talking about at your next planning meeting. I think a lot of the members would appreciate that. I know I would. Let us know what's going on in a tangible way, like Brian is doing with the maps. I also like seeing our NCKA comrades up here.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 20, 2015, 11:08:43 PM
If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!
   :icon_scratch: Call me crazy, but I've got a nagging feeling there's something not quite right about this.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 20, 2015, 11:38:36 PM
If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!
   :icon_scratch: Call me crazy, but I've got a nagging feeling there's something not quite right about this.

 Smelling fishy ???
 Or just hearing the same song and dance repeatedly ???
 Makes me/you/ all of us wonder ....
 Weak.....
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: polepole on May 21, 2015, 07:46:23 AM
Wow, Sorry again if you think I'm trying to disrupt anything. Truly not my intention.
I would be coming up with an Elite 5 Chirp, A EGO extending Salmon net and grippers, Bags of Branson Baits and maybe some stuff from Scotty. Almost $1000 in sponsor product. I've been a sponsor for the last 3 years. Do you really think I'm trying to ruin this... enough said. Good luck brother.

We are sorry to be missing you and hope you will reconsider.

Wow, really?  REALLY?

If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

You just did.  Mike and the companies he is involved with have been big supporters of ORC over the years.

-Allen
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bluewrx02 on May 21, 2015, 08:28:12 AM

Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   >:D

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen

You know I'll have Jameson waiting for you
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 21, 2015, 08:40:04 AM

You do realize thatnsponsor exclusivity isnt a nrw thing for ORC right?  Hobie was exclusive and gave minimal support.  Our exclusive sponsors are giving at least 2k worth of product for the event.   There is currently more product value  on prize table than last year even without a boat.



If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!
   :icon_scratch: Call me crazy, but I've got a nagging feeling there's something not quite right about this.

 Smelling fishy ???
 Or just hearing the same song and dance repeatedly ???
 Makes me/you/ all of us wonder ....
 Weak.....
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Danglin on May 21, 2015, 09:56:31 AM
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possible write off,

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NA gets the write off and HOW gets some funds, great

 Hey Mike,

 Your doing a great job at what you do in getting tourneys happening and many, including myself,  appreciate it and hopefully I'll make one someday buddy, but…

…  I'm jumping in the middle here on this thread as there seems to be a few different complications, but as far as raising monies for HOW, there are rules that need to be followed set forth by HOW National in Texas.

This is where you and I went south a bit as you would not listen to me about rukes that WE need to follow as HOW chapters, ( but we did fix that  :3some:)

We as HOW chapters cannot write letters for "Raffle" prizes.  The Feds basically consider this "Gambling" and we cannot be associated with it.

The only time we can write a 501c3 letter is if the donation is a straight ahead donation directly to HOW...

And the sad thing is as I have fought HOW National on this because,

I don't think their right….  HOW National that is..

The reason I say that is the Giants Gave Nor Cal HOW a Madison Bumgarner signed baseball, this is set up by a third party for the Giants and I had to fill out forms that basically I can only assume they are going to write off that donation as they have donated directly to HOW, but…

on the form itself, it asked what the donation will be used for, and one of the choices is "raffle"…

This is a company that this type of stiff is their business, yet, they cannot answer the question I have for them if we can legally raffle the ball…

and I'm still waiting of the State of California, The State District Attorneys Office and HOW National for a clear and concise answer on this…

But I can tell you that HOW National's stance  for now on writing letters for a donation to be raffled is an Absolute "No"….

Dino would tell you this too, but I feel he is a little busy right now.

You may be wondering about the GS Raffle, well, no letters were written for prizes and I'm in "Big Doo Doo" for that raffle too, ( Again   :-\  ) as there was no paperwork, no nothing, we just did it and now I have to beg for forgiveness from National….

But I'll do that every time to get close to $2K for our program….

There are ways around things and the bottom line is cash talks and if it's being raised… what is HOW going to say,,,"no?"

I would always beg for forgiveness and they can dock my pay…   ;)

 here to help if you guys have any questions about donating to HOW… Like I said, we bend rules, but we really cannot write a letter for a donated prize that will be raffled…  and hope to make this event….

ciao...
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 21, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
Thanks Don for lending some insight on this to folks from a third party.

Don, Anthony, and Dino all know this info and also can vouch me me knowing it having ran a HOW chapter and also raised a substantial amount of money for HOW through various means.   Stuff is complicated when you get to non-profits which means that vendor relationships and exclusivity to acquire the ones that are going to be large are more important than ever.  There is nothing more important to me in this event than to make it successful for both the Anglers and the charities while also keeping everybody playing by the rules and ensuring the folks willing to support us are receiving all they deserve since none of them are using this stuff as a tax writeoff for the most part- only a marketing expense.

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possible write off,

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NA gets the write off and HOW gets some funds, great

 Hey Mike,

 Your doing a great job at what you do in getting tourneys happening and many, including myself,  appreciate it and hopefully I'll make one someday buddy, but…

…  I'm jumping in the middle here on this thread as there seems to be a few different complications, but as far as raising monies for HOW, there are rules that need to be followed set forth by HOW National in Texas.

This is where you and I went south a bit as you would not listen to me about rukes that WE need to follow as HOW chapters, ( but we did fix that  :3some:)

We as HOW chapters cannot write letters for "Raffle" prizes.  The Feds basically consider this "Gambling" and we cannot be associated with it.

The only time we can write a 501c3 letter is if the donation is a straight ahead donation directly to HOW...

And the sad thing is as I have fought HOW National on this because,

I don't think their right….  HOW National that is..

The reason I say that is the Giants Gave Nor Cal HOW a Madison Bumgarner signed baseball, this is set up a third party for the Giants and I had to fill out forms that basically I can only assume they are going to write off that donation as they have donated directly to HOW, but…

on the form itself, it asked what the donation will be used for, and one of the choices is "raffle"…

This is a company that this type of stiff is their business, yet, they cannot answer the question I have for them if we can legally raffle the ball…

and I'm still waiting of the State of California, The State District Attorneys Office and HOW National for a clear and concise answer on this…

But I can tell you that HOW National's stance on writing letters for a donation to be raffled is an Absolute "No"….

Dino would tell you this too, but I feel he is a little busy right now.

You may be wondering about the GS Raffle, well, no letters were written for prizes and I'm in "Big Doo Doo" for that raffle too as there was no paperwork, no nothing, we just did it and now I have to beg for forgiveness from National….

But I'll do that every time to get close to $2K for our program….

There are ways around things and the bottom line is cash talks and if it's begin raised… what is HOW going to say,,,"no?"

I would always beg for forgiveness and they can dock my pay…   ;)

 here to help if you guys have any questions about donating to HOW… Like I said, we bend rules, but we really cannot write a letter for a donated prize that will be raffled…  and hope to make this event….

ciao...
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Danglin on May 21, 2015, 10:49:32 AM
What's up CJ!!!???

  ya, agreed, as long as no letters are written for raffle prizes, HOW does not have an issue, and I can see where this line gets crossed all the time.

it's really confusing and when ya can't get a straight answer form the people who have written the rules, ya know ..  wtf…?

as long as we cover our backs as best as possible, were good. I've already had to stand before the Man, State District attorneys office & IRS on something another coordinator did wrong, and as much as I was embarrassed about the situation and kind of scared… they were pretty cool and respected what were doing and got a  "Don't do it Again,,,"

so overall, were good no matter what… just details… never ending…  carry on...
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mojo Jojo on May 21, 2015, 10:55:13 AM


I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!
I'm not seeing the BIG prizes going to raffle? By your wording as prizes there not "gambling" and I was told by how that the simple and only answer for donations is " talk to your financial adviser to see if your particular situation is tax deductible" not a simple "no".
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 21, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
There are also fine lines to walk with the write-offs with tournaments- lot of federal red tape that simply isnt worth the risk to reward ratio for these organizations.  Also with our events benefiting 2 different organizations things do get more complicated so at end of day most vendors will chalk it up as a Marketing Expense and call it good.  The amount of direct donations that are solicited to them are ridiculously high- they have all the tax writeoffs they can use and then some.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Deluxeharley on May 21, 2015, 12:05:08 PM
I would like to thank everyone that is organizing this year's event and the prior years events that have taken place, Craig, Jeff, Michael and Mark plus others that I am not aware of. I have done similar events in past and it is ALOT of work. Time passes and things change. If someone is not happy about event, that's easy just don't come. At least you know before what the awards are going to be.

On another front..... Many think that there is something magical about donating items for this type of event or any event. Bottom line when someone donates an item to this type of event the only deduction for tax purposes is what they paid for it, that's it... You donate a $1,000 fish finder that costs you $500 then your donation is only going to be your cost. You donate 2 weeks for a timeshare you own that is "worth" $2,000 to someone your donation on that is Zero/natta/nothing.
Why Zero because donating the "use of something" for the donor is not deductible because you have not given up any future rights to it.

After 30 + years of doing and owning my tax practice, and going though and winning audits, I got a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. 
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Wingshooter on May 21, 2015, 12:12:21 PM
So, every dollar that has ever been raised for HOW through raffles should of never been collected by HOW? We are talking thousands of dollars here. Sorry, I seriously did not know that. I know there are certain steps or methods needed so HOW can access this money and supply a 501c, but I had no idea that all that money you've been collecting and giving to HOW for years was unacceptable.

That's too bad, I've been talking with Derrick (HOW) and we were hoping to donate some raffle funds this year from Lowrance Rockfish event which he volunteers for. Hopefully we can figure this out, he's a cool cat and possibly get you HOW guys some loot. I plan on contacting my tax guy and Jim from HOW corp directly and get a better understanding.

Again sorry, I was under the impression based on years of past experiences that it was OK to give HOW raffle funds. So I guess you could just have everyone at ORC write a check to HOW for $25 directly, that would fix it. You could still have a raffle and use that money along with the remaining $25 from entry. Use these funds for tourney expenses and cash prizes for top 10 and maybe still be able to buy a boat. You just need to do the raffle first. Just a thought.

 I really hope that everything works out great for NWKA for an awesome event. You guys have a great club. Unfortunately me and the crew will have to miss this one but maybe next year. Take care guys n be safe out there.

Mike
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 21, 2015, 12:19:42 PM
It seems like a lot of this discussion could be broken off into a separate thread.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 21, 2015, 12:41:51 PM
So, every dollar that has ever been raised for HOW through raffles should of never been collected by HOW? We are talking thousands of dollars here. Sorry, I seriously did not know that. I know there are certain steps or methods needed so HOW can access this money and supply a 501c, but I had no idea that all that money you've been collecting and giving to HOW for years was unacceptable.

That's too bad, I've been talking with Derrick (HOW) and we were hoping to donate some raffle funds this year from Lowrance Rockfish event which he volunteers for. Hopefully we can figure this out, he's a cool cat and possibly get you HOW guys some loot. I plan on contacting my tax guy and Jim from HOW corp directly and get a better understanding.

Again sorry, I was under the impression based on years of past experiences that it was OK to give HOW raffle funds. So I guess you could just have everyone at ORC write a check to HOW for $25 directly, that would fix it. You could still have a raffle and use that money along with the remaining $25 from entry. Use these funds for tourney expenses and cash prizes for top 10 and maybe still be able to buy a boat. You just need to do the raffle first. Just a thought.

 I really hope that everything works out great for NWKA for an awesome event. You guys have a great club. Unfortunately me and the crew will have to miss this one but maybe next year. Take care guys n be safe out there.

Mike

I or the HOW coordinators I am sure are happy to discuss this with you offline as Jeff pointed out but basically a Not for Profit can not in themselves conduct a raffle.  Benefit raffles must be hosted by a 3rd party and the items are in most cases not treated as tax deductible by the vendors as they are not given directly to the cause.

Where buying a boat becomes a concern is that if we spend 1500.00 on a boat that is 30 participants full entry fee just for a prize.  Are we going to draw an additional 30+ people that we wouldnt have without a boat to ensure this is profitable?  And if used as a raffle item will we sell at least that much in tickets that we wouldnt sell with other prizes that could be offered in a raffle situation at no cost to the event?

If youd like to discuss further I am always available to openly hear your thoughts and have a discussion to find a way for everybody to win.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Wingshooter on May 21, 2015, 01:50:32 PM
CJ, thanks I will talk to HOW and my tax guy to figure it out. HOW is a great cause and we'll figure it out down here.

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Where buying a boat becomes a concern is that if we spend 1500.00 on a boat that is 30 participants full entry fee just for a prize.  Are we going to draw an additional 30+ people that we wouldnt have without a boat to ensure this is profitable?

No need to talk off line, I think transparency is the best practices when it comes to a club event. Guys already know NA is a great retailer and a supporter of NWKA, this will only I think enhance that relationship.  Also let's not use the word profit, ever. This is a non-profit event.

In my experience, I feel that having a boat will get you a good draw, especially if it's a great angler boat, Threasher or something, a salt boat. Now since NA is running this thing, they can easily bring a boat with them, leave it on the truck and if you guys meet the admission quota to pay for the boat, so be it.

You said 30 participants, look at years pasts, you've had a 100+, that's more than enough to get a boat.  Now I'm not saying peeps are showing just to win prizes, I know it's way more than that. But having a boat to raffle off, 1 entry per registered angler and a grab bag, this should get you some numbers. Any extra funds can be used for cash prizes. Now guys are not dumb, they know how many folks have attended, how much that boat costs, they can do the math.

Now since NA is not taking the HOW write off and since all the manufacturers who supplied the raffle product are 3rd party, well there is your PIF funds from the raffle. So raffle these items using the individual item collection bags, give HOW the proceeds after subtracting random expenses (potluck, ice , etc.) as I suggested earlier. That should make them very happy.

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And if used as a raffle item will we sell at least that much in tickets that we wouldnt sell with other prizes that could be offered in a raffle situation at no cost to the event?
The above should answer this question. Raffle sales from manufacturer sponsored items only, not the boat, it's free to enter as a registered angler for ORC.

So again you'll have HOW with fat donation, Guys happy they can win a boat and ca$h, plus a raffle that you can enter your tickets into on items you want to win. That's about it, you can adjust however but you see the bottom line!

CJ, It's a lot of work, I think you'll do a great job and let guys know that NA has their backs and supports the club 100%. Good luck man.



Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling Banger on May 21, 2015, 01:56:59 PM
I think we all need to take a deep breath and exhale. Think about the ORC and what the event stands for. If anyone needs a reminder, it's about a big group of like-minded folks getting together to have fun catching fish from our kayaks.

I was polled by CJ in casual conversation at the Sportsmen's Show regarding raising the entrance fees and forgoing the kayak this year and I thought they were both good ideas. And here's why.

We can significantly increase the amount of good we can do for both charities involved.

9 times out of 10 the prize kayak ends up on Craigslist and that's taking a potential sale from the shops that support us, both HOW and NWKA.

Everyone of us has different tastes in kayaks but we all love nice fishing related prizes and merchandise, so why not make that a primary focus of the prize tables.

Lastly, the event is not about the prizes to begin with. It's about bragging rights and seeing the faces of your friends both old and new, drinking beer and sharing stories. 

It is true that HOW must have a 3rd party host raffles, but if it's prizes you all want I will volunteer to help with the planning committee and see if we can call in some favors from some of our friends to up the ante.

Maybe all the attention from Hobie last year has our perspective a little skewed. Next Adventure is our partner in this. Let's treat them as such.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 21, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
No need to talk off line, I think transparency is the best practices when it comes to a club event. Guys already know NA is a great retailer and a supporter of NWKA, this will only I think enhance that relationship.

TRUTH.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling ling, Herro? on May 21, 2015, 03:49:12 PM
I think a championship title belt, much like the pro wrestlers of WWF use, would be hilarious and amazing as the coveted first place prize for ORC. You can get them custom made for your event. It would be badass, and as far as I'm concerned, far better than a kayak.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: crash on May 21, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
I would wear a WWE style championship belt everywhere   Thats an awesome idea
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 21, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
The second tournament I ever won had a cash payout and a custom made rodeo style belt buckle as grand prize.   That thing was so much cooler than a kayak.  I'll have to polish it up and bring it to ORC this year and show it off.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: siebler on May 21, 2015, 04:14:51 PM
No need to talk off line, I think transparency is the best practices when it comes to a club event. Guys already know NA is a great retailer and a supporter of NWKA, this will only I think enhance that relationship.

TRUTH.

To be clear I meant talking offline about HOW specific requirements not about the ORC.  The discussion about the internal workings of HOW are not needed in this thread or any other public thread.  I only offer my guidance as a past HOW coordinator and can relate my experiences in fundraising to you.  Transparency in these matters are not up to you or I and are up to Jim Dolan and the rest of the HOW national group- I am simply offering my views on the situations to you to aid in your missions to support HOW.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling Banger on May 22, 2015, 01:02:12 AM
In the spirit of disclosure I exchanged a few texts with Mr. Siebler and he took me up on my self invite above. The pc is meeting up next week and we'll get some fresh eyes on some stuff. Meanwhile keep up the banter, chatter, and hype and he'll post up some updates mid to late next week.

Rest assured that Next Adventure is aware that the vacation calendars of many people on this board gravitate around this event and if we all pull together we cannot be denied a totally freaking awesome weekend.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 22, 2015, 01:45:18 AM
Concerning Ninkasi: How many kegs requested? What kind? Last year we had 3 different styles & drank all of it.

Too late this year, but here's a link for Oregon rules on charitable raffles. With appropriate delegation & some timely effort, it looks doable to me. http://www.doj.state.or.us/charigroup/howtoraffle.shtml

There's no magic involved with tax or any other official paperwork & it should be obvious most of us know that. Furthermore, I don't think it's at all clear at this point what the awards are going to be. I just might ask the previous organizers who haven't already spoken out how they really feel about this (offline). Depending on the outcome of the next planning meeting, there might be quite a few members who don't show up this year. We await the results of the meeting.

Anthony - I'm glad to hear you're going to the next pc meeting. You do great work & we see eye to eye on most things. Although... you know as well as I do there's a difference between opinion & fact. 9 out of 10 yaks won wind up on Craigslist? How may yaks are won in contests annually? Unless they're really hurting for money, I'd be willing to bet most folks who win a new detailed Outback don't sell it right out of the gate. A lot of things can hurt sales figures, like stagnate wages for example. I can see why a retailer may not want to put up a tricked out Hobie for 2 years in a row, especially since the price has gone up significantly. It's water under the bridge for this year anyway.

What I'm not seeing are some facts on exactly how the increase in the entry fee will significantly improve the charitable donations as well as who put the kibosh on the Hobie World Qualifier & why.

We all very much appreciate Next Adventure's ongoing support of NWKA & the ORC. I'm sure NA knows, even when given the benefit of the doubt, a new hired gun has to make their bones for credible NWKA status. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Great Bass 2 on May 22, 2015, 06:08:45 AM
Hopefully the registration will work soon. Are there GPS numbers for the fish and no fish areas?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Kenai_guy on May 22, 2015, 07:12:11 AM
Wish I could join the fun again this year,  but for some reason they expect me to show up at work in order to get paid.   Dang them
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling Banger on May 22, 2015, 07:23:14 AM
Hopefully the registration will work soon. Are there GPS numbers for the fish and no fish areas?

I'm sure someone has them, but if the boundaries are the same then Rabbit Rock to the North and Whale Cove are pretty easy to see if it's not socked in.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 22, 2015, 09:35:52 AM
Hopefully the registration will work soon. Are there GPS numbers for the fish and no fish areas?

It just so happens that I've been working on a Google Map that describes these boundaries.  Besides posting the map here, I will also convert the map boundaries to Humminbird, Lowrance, Raymarine and Garmin GPS plotter files.  I've tested this with my Lowrance, but not with the other brands yet.


The North boundary is the tip of Rabbit Rock at 44o 50.3' N.
The South boundary is the south end of Whale Cove 1t 44o 47.2' N
The West boundary is 20 fathoms (120 ft) depth.    This is approximately a half mile past the Whistle Bouy.


No Fishing Zones:

There is no fishing near the channel between the mouth of Depoe Bay and the Bell Buoy.  This channel is 100 yds wide at the channel mouth and extends to 400 yds wide at the Bell Buoy.   For those of you into geometry, yes that's a trapezoid.

Whale Cove is off limits to fishing per ODFW regulations... (see Whale Cove Habitat Refuge)



Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bluewrx02 on May 22, 2015, 10:49:16 AM

Wish I could join the fun again this year,  but for some reason they expect me to show up at work in order to get paid.   Dang them

Next time. It was great meeting you last year!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Captain Redbeard on May 22, 2015, 11:47:40 AM
It just so happens that I've been working on a Google Map that describes these boundaries.  Besides posting the map here, I will also convert the map boundaries to Humminbird, Lowrance, Raymarine and Garmin GPS plotter files.  I've tested this with my Lowrance, but not with the other brands yet.

The North boundary is the tip of Rabbit Rock at 44o 50.3' N.
The South boundary is the south end of Whale Cove 1t 44o 47.2' N
The West boundary is 20 fathoms (120 ft) depth.    This is approximately a half mile past the Whistle Bouy.

No Fishing Zones:

There is no fishing near the channel between the mouth of Depoe Bay and the Bell Buoy.  This channel is 100 yds wide at the channel mouth and extends to 200 yds wide at the Bell Buoy.   For those of you into geometry, yes that's a trapezoid.

This is great, thank you!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 22, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
I am looking for volunteers to test out some GPS files that I've created for the ORC boundaries.  If you have a GPS plotter that has an SD slot and can accept a file with user define waypoints, tracks and routes and are willing to help me out, let me know.    I'll send you a file based on what kind of GPS you have and you can let me know if everything shows up properly.   

Once I know these files work, I'll release them to the public.

I have Lowrance covered.  Somebody with Hummindbird, Raymarine and maybe Garmin units would be good to have.

Thanks,
Brian
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 22, 2015, 12:30:25 PM
I am looking for volunteers to test out some GPS files that I've created for the ORC boundaries.  If you have a GPS plotter that has an SD slot and can accept a file with user define waypoints, tracks and routes and are willing to help me out, let me know.    I'll send you a file based on what kind of GPS you have and you can let me know if everything shows up properly.   

Once I know these files work, I'll release them to the public.

I have Lowrance covered.  Somebody with Hummindbird, Raymarine and maybe Garmin units would be good to have.

Thanks,
Brian
Send me the .gpx or .gdb and incan try them on my garmin
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bsteves on May 22, 2015, 12:41:02 PM
I am looking for volunteers to test out some GPS files that I've created for the ORC boundaries.  If you have a GPS plotter that has an SD slot and can accept a file with user define waypoints, tracks and routes and are willing to help me out, let me know.    I'll send you a file based on what kind of GPS you have and you can let me know if everything shows up properly.   

Once I know these files work, I'll release them to the public.

I have Lowrance covered.  Somebody with Hummindbird, Raymarine and maybe Garmin units would be good to have.

Thanks,
Brian
Send me the .gpx or .gdb and incan try them on my garmin

I'll also send you a file for your humminbird. :)   Actually, they're pretty small, I'm going to send anyone who asks all of them as a zip file.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Great Bass 2 on May 22, 2015, 01:52:53 PM
I am looking for volunteers to test out some GPS files that I've created for the ORC boundaries.  If you have a GPS plotter that has an SD slot and can accept a file with user define waypoints, tracks and routes and are willing to help me out, let me know.    I'll send you a file based on what kind of GPS you have and you can let me know if everything shows up properly.   

Once I know these files work, I'll release them to the public.

I have Lowrance covered.  Somebody with Hummindbird, Raymarine and maybe Garmin units would be good to have.

Thanks,
Brian

Hey Brian

You can send me a Garmin file. Will PM you an e mail address.

Thanks! Scott
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: SteveHawk on May 22, 2015, 03:48:56 PM
Hey Brian , you can send me the Lowrance file also.

I will also be attending the next meeting for ORC. I am very confident  that we can work out the kinks and get this back on track.  Having missed last year I am really looking forward seeing everyone this year .

Wobbler.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 22, 2015, 08:00:42 PM
Hopefully the registration will work soon. Are there GPS numbers for the fish and no fish areas?

It just so happens that I've been working on a Google Map that describes these boundaries.  Besides posting the map here, I will also convert the map boundaries to Humminbird, Lowrance, Raymarine and Garmin GPS plotter files.  I've tested this with my Lowrance, but not with the other brands yet.

The North boundary is the tip of Rabbit Rock at 44o 50.3' N.
The South boundary is the south end of Whale Cove 1t 44o 47.2' N
The West boundary is 20 fathoms (120 ft) depth.    This is approximately a half mile past the Whistle Bouy.

No Fishing Zones:

There is no fishing near the channel between the mouth of Depoe Bay and the Bell Buoy.  This channel is 100 yds wide at the channel mouth and extends to 400 yds wide at the Bell Buoy.   For those of you into geometry, yes that's a trapezoid.

Whale Cove is off limits to fishing per ODFW regulations... (see Whale Cove Habitat Refuge)

<iframe src="https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/embed?mid=z--z1pDlPcsY.kdwNU79uaqOM" width="640" height="480"></iframe>
That's what I'm talkin' about! Thanks Brian!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 22, 2015, 08:22:02 PM
Is NWKA membership required for entry? I think it should be. What about the beer?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: snopro on May 22, 2015, 08:45:01 PM
I certainly hope we don't have much fog. Wouldn't want anyone to get lost out there, would we?

"Head towards the sun"?  ;D
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: rawkfish on May 22, 2015, 08:54:04 PM
I certainly hope we don't have much fog. Wouldn't want anyone to get lost out there, would we?

"Head towards the sun"?  ;D

HEHEHEHEEEEE!!!  :D
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 22, 2015, 09:09:27 PM
I certainly hope we don't have much fog. Wouldn't want anyone to get lost out there, would we?

"Head towards the sun"?  ;D

HEHEHEHEEEEE!!!  :D
:laughing4: oops, momentary directional dyslexia. Got to watch out for that mental fog also. I'll amend.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Noah on May 22, 2015, 09:10:57 PM
Howdy folks. I haven't been doing a good job keeping up on the most recent news here, and I must say.....wow.....that was a hell of a read!

For me this whole deal is simple. Do I get to fish? Do I get to see many of my NWKA brothers? If yes to both I'm in.

I know a few of the guys working to plan the ORC and I TRUST they will do their very best to put on a killer event that provides support to two deserving charities. If you think the ORC is about prizes and winning stuff, you are greatly missing the point.

Look forward to fishing with you all again!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 23, 2015, 07:18:46 PM
I have a meeting with the owner of two towns cider house on tuesday to see about a keg donation (or any kind of cider donation. All the cider drinkers! What would you like me to request?
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 23, 2015, 11:38:50 PM
I have a meeting with the owner of two towns cider house on tuesday to see about a keg donation (or any kind of cider donation. All the cider drinkers! What would you like me to request?
Good job! Take a look at the choices y'all.
http://2townsciderhouse.com/ciders.php
Ginja Ninja looks good to me.

I'm also interested in choices of beer, but no info yet. I like TD.
http://www.ninkasibrewing.com/delicious/beers/flagship-series/total-domination.html
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bluewrx02 on May 24, 2015, 01:37:58 AM

I have a meeting with the owner of two towns cider house on tuesday to see about a keg donation (or any kind of cider donation. All the cider drinkers! What would you like me to request?

Nice job!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Justin on May 24, 2015, 07:33:06 AM
I have a meeting with the owner of two towns cider house on tuesday to see about a keg donation (or any kind of cider donation. All the cider drinkers! What would you like me to request?

I like the Bright cider personally.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on May 24, 2015, 02:27:04 PM
I have a meeting with the owner of two towns cider house on tuesday to see about a keg donation (or any kind of cider donation. All the cider drinkers! What would you like me to request?

I like the Bright cider personally.
That sounds good also.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: williamesch on May 24, 2015, 09:37:59 PM
I apologize, it seems that I broke the thread with my post from tapatalk. Hopefully it's working now.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bluewrx02 on May 25, 2015, 12:33:52 PM
Just registered. Couldn't on iPhone, iPad or windows 8 PC. Finally got home last night and registered on my home PC. I don't know what plug-ins I needed, but that PC has it.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Great Bass 2 on May 25, 2015, 12:40:08 PM
I just successfully registered on my Ipad using Safari.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on May 25, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
just registered using google chrome on my desktop. YEEEEEHAW!!!!!
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: bb2fish on May 26, 2015, 11:03:50 AM
I have a meeting with the owner of two towns cider house on tuesday to see about a keg donation (or any kind of cider donation. All the cider drinkers! What would you like me to request?

I like the Bright cider personally.
Two Towns has great sparkling hard cider.  "Outcider" is by far my favorite, but I think it is a limited release or only available in growlers for the common folk. 
Thanks for soliciting them as a donor to the ORC, that would be pretty cool to have beer and cider available for the Fish Taco Feeding Frenzy.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 26, 2015, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: bb2fish link=topic=15222.msg169041#msg169041 date=1432663

I like the Bright cider personally.
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Two Towns has great sparkling hard cider.  "Outcider" is by far my favorite, but I think it is a limited release or only available in growlers for the common folk. 
Thanks for soliciting them as a donor to the ORC, that would be pretty cool to have beer and cider available for the Fish Taco Feeding Frenzy.

 Haven't heard anything about chow at ORC this year. Will there be a Fish Taco Feeding Frenzy ???
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: craig on May 26, 2015, 09:30:35 PM
First, thanks for those of you who have offered your services, especially for getting beer and cider (thanks williamesch and PNW).  ;) Can't have a tournament without refreshments. Also, I left work early today to see if there was anything I could do to help.  Myself and a couple others that volunteered last year met with CJ to provide him with contacts of others that have come forward wanting to sponsor and to offer assistance if needed. Personally, from what I know now, I think things are working out just fine and I am very excited. Next employees are working hard on this, but they also have a huge event this weekend (Summer Splash) they are also working hard at planning. As for a list of sponsors, that will be up soon, but sometimes it can be held up by something as simple as getting graphics from the sponsor and an absolute firm commitment on what they will provide. It is still almost seven weeks away, so I don't understand why folks are up in arms about it.  Personally, because I have not been involved much in planning it this year, I haven't even thought much about it yet other than the fact I plan to attend.

However, like Noah, I have read through the whole thread and I noticed a whole bunch of whining.  I like being unaffiliated with any sponsor or corporation. It allows me to speak my mind.  >:D So as a person who helped organize and run one of these, here it goes:

The funniest ( ???) part of this whole thread is seeing how people think in other years this was so smooth and sweet it was like kittens, riding on the back of puppies (I am picturing Labradors of various colors) while sliding down a rainbow. It wasn't. People bitched and whined last year, too. Constantly. Sometimes through personal messages. Not as bad as this year, though. If I remember right, I was desperately trying to arrange for either Paul or Dana to pick up some donations in Springfield last year the day before the tournament because I was unable to get down there. Thanks guys.

As for transparency, not everything can be made public until it is set in stone.  If Super Awesome Prize A is announced prematurely, and things fall through, guess what -- even more bitching.  Even if Super Awesome Prize B is nearly as good. On a side note, last year we had so many people wanting to know how many slots were filled I would just semi-randomly pull numbers out of my ass and hope we had that many show. >:D Sorry, We all had full-time jobs and had no time to constantly check. Wow, I feel better finally getting that off my chest.  A burden has been lifted.  :angel11:  You don't have to worry about that this year since I am not involved with that aspect.

Also, I almost forgot that in the past all decisions were done via the poll feature on NWKA to keep it transparent and democratic. Oh, wait, they weren't. That was the Fantasyland False Bumblebee Catfish Classic (it's a fish, look it up. Not many start with an F*). If all aspects would have been "transparently" voted on, we would still be planning last year's tournament this year which is why it can't be a democracy.

As for a boat as the top prize, man have we all gotten spoiled. Hobie has never donated a boat. They basically piggy-backed on our existing event for free promotion and to use it as a qualifier last year (please correct me if I a wrong). We had hoped they would provide the boat last year since they were using the event to promote themselves, but nope. The last two years Next Adventure stepped up and donated the Hobie (Thank you again NA). Prior to that, it was Ocean Kayak stepping up (Thank you OK).

For comparison purposes, if you add up the total amount of ORC participants combined in the last two years, it is less than the amount of fisherman at this year's 23rd Annual Fisherman’s Marine & Outdoor Spring Fishing Classic. Prize for heaviest fish at that event: $500. The winning boat captain and team mates each got a rod, reel, and a tackle box. But, they raised a lot of money for charity. Good on them!

For those of you who are vocal about being upset about the lack of boat, you do realize you only had approximately 0.8% chance of winning it last year (some less some more depending on skills and familiarity with Depoe Bay).  Most likely you will have similar odds this year. Although, by some recent comments, I believe your (and my) odds may be getting better since some people have decided to abstain this year for various reasons. However, what you did have last year and can still have this year is a 100% chance of having a good time (some results may vary depending on your personality)!

I for one am thankful that NA stepped up and took over running it. There is a great amount of planning and work involved with a tournament of this size. Maybe this year myself and the other planners from last year can actually fish rather than spending a good amount of time running people out of the channel where they should not have been fishing in the first place. I have heard that will definitely not be tolerated this year. Big brother will be watching from the bridge.
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Haven't heard anything about chow at ORC this year. Will there be a Fish Taco Feeding Frenzy ???
As for questions about pot luck, etc... that thread was started by Sumpnz last year (thanks again Sumpnz). A majority of the threads were started by NWKA forum members not the planning committee. We were busy getting sponsors, dealing with government officials (all were positive interactions), responding to complaints, etc...  If you want pot luck, start a thread to get volunteers to cook it, clean fish, bring oil, breading, etc... No one is preventing people from getting the ball rolling. As for me, I will offer to bring my deep fryer and propane again, and whatever else will fit in my trailer that needs to be hauled out from Portland if Next or HOW needs help. As long as there is beer and the company is good, I will also help clean fish again.

In summary, I ask...nay, I plead that you all have patience. It will happen, it will be fun, and there will be awesome prizes and beer/cider. There always is. Also, I hope that when everything is finalized, we can start a "2015 ORC Official Announcement 2.0" thread, because this one went a little sideways especially when we got way off track with taxes, etc...

I will leave you with a positive: Gas is about a dollar cheaper** per gallon thus far this year than last. So getting there will be significantly cheaper. https://www.oregon.aaa.com/gas-prices/
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*My claim that there are not many fish starting with an F may be wrong, I just did a quick google search. If you want to point out how wrong I am, please start a new thread so you don't taint this already tainted thread.

**please do not now convert this to a thread about how statistically gas will go up in the summer (You know who you are). I know that. However, the overall price trend this year is lower.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling Banger on May 26, 2015, 10:52:00 PM
+1 "Reverend!" "Olsen Johnson is right about Howard Johnson being right."
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Skidplate on May 27, 2015, 09:31:46 AM
...Hobie has never donated a boat. They basically piggy-backed on our existing event for free promotion and to use it as a qualifier last year (please correct me if I a wrong). We had hoped they would provide the boat last year since they were using the event to promote themselves, but nope...

Why wasn't this more transparent...   
*ducks and runs for cover*


Just kidding - Thanks Craig. I think a lot of us think the same as you.

Here's a quick little questionnaire everyone should ask themselves:
Do I want to have fun?
Do I want to have fun fishing from a kayak in the ocean?
Do I want to have fun hanging out with NWKA friends?
Do I want to have fun watching other NWKA friends win some cool prizes that my little fish didn't qualify me for? (yes you do - it's fun)

If a few people don't want to show up, it will be their loss. This will be a fun event, lots of people will still show up and go home happy.

I too hope that we can start a "2015 ORC Official Announcement 2.0" thread. Craig said "taint" too many times in this one.  ;D
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Great Bass 2 on May 27, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
This will be my first ORC and appreciate the people putting in a ton of work to make it happen and the sponsors for their generous donations. Winning a kayak is cool but for most people not what's important. I have won several kayaks over the years and ended up donating the last one to HOW. There is some satisfaction in fishing hard and coming out on top and that personal satisfaction is more Important than the prize, IMO. I think the competition for some and just having fun for others is what is all about not winning a kayak. I like competing but won't be pushing it too hard. I look forward to meeting and fishing with all of you and throwing down some cold ones Afterwards.

Scott
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: craig on May 27, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
...Hobie has never donated a boat. They basically piggy-backed on our existing event for free promotion and to use it as a qualifier last year (please correct me if I a wrong). We had hoped they would provide the boat last year since they were using the event to promote themselves, but nope...

Why wasn't this more transparent...   
*ducks and runs for cover*


Just kidding - Thanks Craig. I think a lot of us think the same as you.

Here's a quick little questionnaire everyone should ask themselves:
Do I want to have fun?
Do I want to have fun fishing from a kayak in the ocean?
Do I want to have fun hanging out with NWKA friends?
Do I want to have fun watching other NWKA friends win some cool prizes that my little fish didn't qualify me for? (yes you do - it's fun)

If a few people don't want to show up, it will be their loss. This will be a fun event, lots of people will still show up and go home happy.

I too hope that we can start a "2015 ORC Official Announcement 2.0" thread. Craig said "taint" too many times in this one.  ;D
I answered yes to all those questions.  I am definitely in. ;)
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Mark Collett on May 27, 2015, 09:40:23 PM

 Craig,
 You made a lot of good points in that long ass post. And I can appreciate all of them. Keeping it real is always a good thing.

 I may not be able to make ORC this year depending on some upcoming medical tests. I sincerely hope my comments have not been detrimental to anyone's thinking. But I do encourage all to think, be honest , and tell the truth. If I pushed things too far--- I am sorry.

 while I do pray that I can be there to enjoy the festivities--- that may not happen this year. Only time will tell on that.

 I do hope that everything works out--it will- and all have a great time at ORC 2015. Make it happen guys.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling ling, Herro? on July 04, 2015, 12:59:56 PM
The extended forecast is looking promising for ORC. Usually it seems like people are fretting over the conditions and talking about a trout derby or a drunken raffle  ;D
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: PNW on July 04, 2015, 02:37:25 PM
First, thanks for those of you who have offered your services, especially for getting beer and cider (thanks williamesch and PNW).  ;) Can't have a tournament without refreshments. Also, I left work early today to see if there was anything I could do to help.  Myself and a couple others that volunteered last year met with CJ to provide him with contacts of others that have come forward wanting to sponsor and to offer assistance if needed. Personally, from what I know now, I think things are working out just fine and I am very excited. Next employees are working hard on this, but they also have a huge event this weekend (Summer Splash) they are also working hard at planning. As for a list of sponsors, that will be up soon, but sometimes it can be held up by something as simple as getting graphics from the sponsor and an absolute firm commitment on what they will provide. It is still almost seven weeks away, so I don't understand why folks are up in arms about it.  Personally, because I have not been involved much in planning it this year, I haven't even thought much about it yet other than the fact I plan to attend.

However, like Noah, I have read through the whole thread and I noticed a whole bunch of whining.  I like being unaffiliated with any sponsor or corporation. It allows me to speak my mind.  >:D So as a person who helped organize and run one of these, here it goes:

The funniest ( ???) part of this whole thread is seeing how people think in other years this was so smooth and sweet it was like kittens, riding on the back of puppies (I am picturing Labradors of various colors) while sliding down a rainbow. It wasn't. People bitched and whined last year, too. Constantly. Sometimes through personal messages. Not as bad as this year, though. If I remember right, I was desperately trying to arrange for either Paul or Dana to pick up some donations in Springfield last year the day before the tournament because I was unable to get down there. Thanks guys.

As for transparency, not everything can be made public until it is set in stone.  If Super Awesome Prize A is announced prematurely, and things fall through, guess what -- even more bitching.  Even if Super Awesome Prize B is nearly as good. On a side note, last year we had so many people wanting to know how many slots were filled I would just semi-randomly pull numbers out of my ass and hope we had that many show. >:D Sorry, We all had full-time jobs and had no time to constantly check. Wow, I feel better finally getting that off my chest.  A burden has been lifted.  :angel11:  You don't have to worry about that this year since I am not involved with that aspect.

Also, I almost forgot that in the past all decisions were done via the poll feature on NWKA to keep it transparent and democratic. Oh, wait, they weren't. That was the Fantasyland False Bumblebee Catfish Classic (it's a fish, look it up. Not many start with an F*). If all aspects would have been "transparently" voted on, we would still be planning last year's tournament this year which is why it can't be a democracy.

As for a boat as the top prize, man have we all gotten spoiled. Hobie has never donated a boat. They basically piggy-backed on our existing event for free promotion and to use it as a qualifier last year (please correct me if I a wrong). We had hoped they would provide the boat last year since they were using the event to promote themselves, but nope. The last two years Next Adventure stepped up and donated the Hobie (Thank you again NA). Prior to that, it was Ocean Kayak stepping up (Thank you OK).

For comparison purposes, if you add up the total amount of ORC participants combined in the last two years, it is less than the amount of fisherman at this year's 23rd Annual Fisherman’s Marine & Outdoor Spring Fishing Classic. Prize for heaviest fish at that event: $500. The winning boat captain and team mates each got a rod, reel, and a tackle box. But, they raised a lot of money for charity. Good on them!

For those of you who are vocal about being upset about the lack of boat, you do realize you only had approximately 0.8% chance of winning it last year (some less some more depending on skills and familiarity with Depoe Bay).  Most likely you will have similar odds this year. Although, by some recent comments, I believe your (and my) odds may be getting better since some people have decided to abstain this year for various reasons. However, what you did have last year and can still have this year is a 100% chance of having a good time (some results may vary depending on your personality)!

I for one am thankful that NA stepped up and took over running it. There is a great amount of planning and work involved with a tournament of this size. Maybe this year myself and the other planners from last year can actually fish rather than spending a good amount of time running people out of the channel where they should not have been fishing in the first place. I have heard that will definitely not be tolerated this year. Big brother will be watching from the bridge.
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Haven't heard anything about chow at ORC this year. Will there be a Fish Taco Feeding Frenzy ???
As for questions about pot luck, etc... that thread was started by Sumpnz last year (thanks again Sumpnz). A majority of the threads were started by NWKA forum members not the planning committee. We were busy getting sponsors, dealing with government officials (all were positive interactions), responding to complaints, etc...  If you want pot luck, start a thread to get volunteers to cook it, clean fish, bring oil, breading, etc... No one is preventing people from getting the ball rolling. As for me, I will offer to bring my deep fryer and propane again, and whatever else will fit in my trailer that needs to be hauled out from Portland if Next or HOW needs help. As long as there is beer and the company is good, I will also help clean fish again.

In summary, I ask...nay, I plead that you all have patience. It will happen, it will be fun, and there will be awesome prizes and beer/cider. There always is. Also, I hope that when everything is finalized, we can start a "2015 ORC Official Announcement 2.0" thread, because this one went a little sideways especially when we got way off track with taxes, etc...

I will leave you with a positive: Gas is about a dollar cheaper** per gallon thus far this year than last. So getting there will be significantly cheaper. https://www.oregon.aaa.com/gas-prices/
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*My claim that there are not many fish starting with an F may be wrong, I just did a quick google search. If you want to point out how wrong I am, please start a new thread so you don't taint this already tainted thread.

**please do not now convert this to a thread about how statistically gas will go up in the summer (You know who you are). I know that. However, the overall price trend this year is lower.
Craig - If it's ok with you, I'd like to talk with you about some of this stuff Friday night if we can connect in camp. I'll send a pm w/ phone # if you don't already have it. Sometimes talking face to face avoids misunderstandings.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Ling Banger on July 04, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
PLEASE NOTE;

First load out of supplies taking place tonight. HOW is going to do the same kind of deal as last year, just more prompt than last year. Friday night spaghetti feed and Sunday breakfast burritos. Details forthcoming, but don't pack food and ice for Friday and whatever for your way out.

Just bring some petty cash.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: craig on July 04, 2015, 10:56:16 PM
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Craig - If it's ok with you, I'd like to talk with you about some of this stuff Friday night if we can connect in camp. I'll send a pm w/ phone # if you don't already have it. Sometimes talking face to face avoids misunderstandings.

Sounds good.  I got your numbers. See you there.  Also, this reminds me I need to rent a campsite. I had forgotten.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: smilinkayaker on July 05, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
Hey guys I'm planning on trying to Make it out next weekend, I'm sure everyone has already made most of their plans, I would be happy to pick someone up along the way to save cost on the trip if anyone is interested hit me up. I'm also wondering if I have to pre-register? Or can I register friday evening when I get there? Any info would be awesome thanks guys.
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: dampainter on July 05, 2015, 04:32:54 PM
Aw`DAM!  I`M GETTING FRICKEN ANTSY!!!!! 
Title: Re: Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment
Post by: Noah on July 05, 2015, 07:17:14 PM

Hey guys I'm planning on trying to Make it out next weekend, I'm sure everyone has already made most of their plans, I would be happy to pick someone up along the way to save cost on the trip if anyone is interested hit me up. I'm also wondering if I have to pre-register? Or can I register friday evening when I get there? Any info would be awesome thanks guys.
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