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Topic: Future of the Oregon Rockfish Classic  (Read 5818 times)

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After last year's Oregon Rockfish Not-so-Classic (i.e. the non-tournament), there are many questions lingering about the future of the ORC.

Here are some of the issues..

Who is willing to run it?
Those of us that have put the ORC together the past few years are loosing our enthusiasm for the event, and I think that shows a bit.   It would be good to get some new ORC committee members to the table.

Who is willing to help round up sponsors?
It's getting harder to round up sponsors.   We have several other tournaments that happen earlier in the year and they compete with us for potential prizes.  Also, sponsors are expecting more return on investment and it's a delicate balance to keep sponsors happy.  What ever we do, we should do it soon as the time to secure those sponsors is now.

Who is willing to handle the money?  (Tax issues associated with that.)
Changes in the tax code made it cost prohibitive last year for me to collect registration fees.  I don't like the idea of taking a cut, to pay those taxes when there should be other options out there.

Who is willing to take on any issues of liability?
I think we have a fair grasp of the liability/safety issues now and I'm pretty sure we can continue to use the ACA (American Canoe Association) for our insurance coverage.  But there is planning that has to be done to get that set up.


Options:

1.) Create a new ORC committee with the energy to take this all on and hope that they can pull this together.

2.) Formally incorporate the ORC committee into some form of non-profit organization.  This could potentially help with tax issues and reduce individual liability for those in charge.   It would also formalize the process a bit and hopefully help with keeping ORC planning organized.   There was talk this past summer about looking into this, but I haven't heard much about how that is going.   Frankly, it seems like a lot of paper work and there is some upfront money required to set that all up.

3.) Find a major sponsor willing to run, or help run, the ORC.  We tried this previously with Next Adventure and as an ORC committee member, it was nice letting go of a few things.  But it seems in the end, some members of NWKA and even Next Adventure weren't happy with the arrangement.  Maybe we can do that better next time.   The ORC committee members have had two different businesses approach us about that for 2019.  In particular, my hope is that they could use there business to handle the registration fees and subsequent donations to our charities and let their tax lawyers deal with it.   

4.) Call it quits after 10 years.  It was a pretty good run.

5.) We're open to other suggestions.


Anyway, I'm looking for feedback on how members of NWKA envision the future of the ORC.   I'm also looking for people who are willing to step up and work on getting whatever we decide done in time to make ORC happen next summer.

Thanks,
Brian   
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3. 

That seems like a pretty easy decision.  Hopefully the two businesses are a brewery and either Chinook Bend or that big casino hotel in Lincoln City.  I thought the best ORC experience I had was the year Next Adventure ran things.  I know some others don't feel that way, but I didn't see whatever problem they saw.


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3.

Taking the thing back was well intended but the tax and liability are a headache no one wants (or should have) to deal with.  At this point it would be good just to get it going again and maybe later down the road we could organize it our own way.
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I have only been to the 2017 ORC, but it is one of my favorite fishing events ever!
My wife and I are both willing to help out with the tournament. My wife was the Family Program Coordinator for one of my National Guard units for 5 years. She set up the non profit group and accounts, she also found a number of donating sponsors. We would be happy to help in whatever capacity is needed.
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3.  2 as a distant second.

Once that decision is made we need to discuss the taco feed, or something to replace it with.  I'm interested, depending on how some job issues pan out, with running that part of the tournament again.
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Regarding #2, could NWKA be formed as the non-profit?  That way things like ORC and AOTY could have the money and donations go directly through them.  Then NWKA could make the donation to HOW or whatever group it decides to send it to.
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Regarding #2, could NWKA be formed as the non-profit?  That way things like ORC and AOTY could have the money and donations go directly through them.  Then NWKA could make the donation to HOW or whatever group it decides to send it to.

Something like this, maybe not all of NWKA but perhaps form a sub-division to be an umbrella for all events?  Part of the sponsors' overload may be from being solicited by so many groups so often each year.  The entire state has a population of fewer folks than many big cities, and if NWKA organized our competitions under a single name, it might help.  Just sayin'.
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Forgive my ignorance, and it may have been answered in previous threads, but how is nearly every other charity tournament handling it? There's larger tournaments down in California, Gimme Shelter for instance that draw hundreds.

It doesn't solve the sponsor or raffle aspect but can't we grant entrance based of a check written out to Heroes on the water or Neighbors for Kids (dealers choice)  and a $5 bill for the insurance? If the issue is money into the hands of an organizer this solves that problem completely. Sure, it doesn't solve the prize aspect, but IMO the prizes are secondary to the fun of the event and bragging rights.

Also... Without opening a can of worms how is AOTY money being handled? 
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Forgive my ignorance, and it may have been answered in previous threads, but how is nearly every other charity tournament handling it? There's larger tournaments down in California, Gimme Shelter for instance that draw hundreds.

It doesn't solve the sponsor or raffle aspect but can't we grant entrance based of a check written out to Heroes on the water or Neighbors for Kids (dealers choice)  and a $5 bill for the insurance? If the issue is money into the hands of an organizer this solves that problem completely. Sure, it doesn't solve the prize aspect, but IMO the prizes are secondary to the fun of the event and bragging rights.

Also... Without opening a can of worms how is AOTY money being handled?

As I understand it the problem is with paypal issuing 1099-misc forms once a particular threshold of transactions or dollar amount has been crossed.  Gimme shelter does not deal in paypal.



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I honestly like the idea of number 3 for more than just the tax benefits.  Even if we formally incorporate ORC, it doesn’t solve the issue that this event done properly will take some time.  If we go route 2 i am still able to assist.


I think a mix of 1 and 3 is the best.  I think a committee of NWKA members along with corporate sponsorship could take this event to another level.  The marketing opportunities and gaining a main sponsor for the event could help bring more entrants to the event.  If the event goes well, we may be able to talk them into AOTY sponsorship. 
The committee could focus on getting other smaller sponsors.  For example, the event/main prize could be sponsored by Outdoor play or Next Adventure (if not all bridges are burnt) but we could have the potluck sponsored by Fisherman’s Marine in trade for tournament prizes. 
Ideally a sponsor would help put up the main prize at cost and be refunded through royalty’s from the entrance fee.   If we paid 5-10 more a person we could have a decent prize which we could attract more entrants.
I understand that people want this to maintain the community feel.  Last year was one of my favorite years as it felt like a community event.  However, last year many people missed having a competition and we missed out on a good fundraising opportunity for NWKA.  I think it would be fun to get a gathering of people there earlier.  Many people take the thrursday and Friday off to fish if the ocean permits.
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I understand that people want this to maintain the community feel.  Last year was one of my favorite years as it felt like a community event.  However, last year many people missed having a competition and we missed out on a good fundraising opportunity for NWKA.  I think it would be fun to get a gathering of people there earlier.  Many people take the thrursday and Friday off to fish if the ocean permits.


We'll never be able to please everybody.  I know we get a lot of strident opinions on here about this event, but it's probably a mistake to let that derail the direction of the event if it's just a couple people making that noise.  There were legit complaints about NA from a few years back, but also legit compliments that should have been given consideration.  As long as we learn from the problems, past and future, and use that to improve things this can be a smashing success.

Ultimately, though, what do most of us want ORC to be(come)?  If a small, community run get-together with bragging rights as the main thing is what most want, then basically let ORC die and those that want to meet up can do so on their own.  There are events along those lines (some more published than others) going on already. 

If we want a proper tournament with prizes and charity fund raising then, due to tax and liability issues - not to mention obtaining sponsorship/prizes, #3 is basically were we need to go.

I don't think it's possible to have ORC as both a "community" event, and a full-on tournament/fund raiser at the same time.  But if folks want to meet up the couple days before to pre-fish and make a community event out of that, I see no conflict. 

Personally, I'd like to see corporate based organization so this can be a major event.  It's hard for me to get away for anything (not complaining, it was my choice to have 4 kids and this is just a consequence of that choice), and a big tournament seems easier to get a hall pass for than a small gathering of friends.  Plus I like the idea of supporting HOW/NFK as a fund-raiser. 
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Something close to 1 and 3 would be my vote:

I liked ORC last year and I liked previous years (the one where ORC was a Hobie World Qualifier, and even the not so organized ones).  I have not participated in any committee. Personally, I like competition being part of any "tournament", otherwise, it's just an organized meetup...organized by NWKA volunteers.

Perhaps someone that has organized a kayak tournament for another organization would be willing to do this with a source of assistance coming from the NWKA community where volunteers are needed.  This is choice 1 that BSteves presented.  Fishing tournaments are done ALL THE TIME, there are resources to do it "right".   Let's get someone.

Finding a corporation to deal with taxes, donations, entry fees and insurance would be the responsibility of the Chairman (the said person above that knows how to organize a tournament).  That chairman might be part of the corporation or might not be.  That chairman would also know how to get sponsors and prizes or handle the financial aspects.  And with a healthy list of volunteers coming from NWKA, that chairman could delegate the appropriate tasks and NWKA members would feel involved and part of the success.


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Forgive my ignorance, and it may have been answered in previous threads, but how is nearly every other charity tournament handling it? There's larger tournaments down in California, Gimme Shelter for instance that draw hundreds.

It doesn't solve the sponsor or raffle aspect but can't we grant entrance based of a check written out to Heroes on the water or Neighbors for Kids (dealers choice)  and a $5 bill for the insurance? If the issue is money into the hands of an organizer this solves that problem completely. Sure, it doesn't solve the prize aspect, but IMO the prizes are secondary to the fun of the event and bragging rights.

Also... Without opening a can of worms how is AOTY money being handled?

As I understand it the problem is with paypal issuing 1099-misc forms once a particular threshold of transactions or dollar amount has been crossed.  Gimme shelter does not deal in paypal.



Interesting, I am not sure how Roy got around this with AOTD, he took money via paypal for the ~40 entrants and cut a check to HOW on the spot at the tourney. Could simply be the number or dollar amount that triggers it.
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As I understand it the problem is with paypal issuing 1099-misc forms once a particular threshold of transactions or dollar amount has been crossed.  Gimme shelter does not deal in paypal.

I keep telling you that PayPal is evil...
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As I understand it the problem is with paypal issuing 1099-misc forms once a particular threshold of transactions or dollar amount has been crossed.  Gimme shelter does not deal in paypal.

I keep telling you that PayPal is evil...

You know about my bad experience with PP.  I don't use unless I have literally no other option.  I'd far rather receive a check in the mail.  A lot of millennials don't write checks.  Or use the mail for that matter.  I get that both things will probably be ancient relics of the distant past soon enough, but if the future is PayPal then the future can wait.


 

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