NorthWest Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing => Drillin' & Cuttin' => Topic started by: pmmpete on August 20, 2013, 11:30:51 PM
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How do you safely and effectively pee from a kayak when you're out on the water with no nearby place to land? After a couple of hours on the water, this can become a pretty pressing question. I'm a guy, but I'm not interested in standing up in my kayak.
I've posted this in the kayak rigging category because there may be some equipment involved. But perhaps I should have posted it in the safety category. Certainly the peeing process entails some risks. Or maybe I should have posted it in the "Waving the Bug Wand" category.
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What a funny topic. My whole life I have never been able to pee while sitting down. When I got into kayak fishing I realized pretty quickly that it could become a problem. On a calm day or any day that isn't really choppy I used to turn around I'm my seat and get up on my knees and brace myself with one arm and aim over the slide with the other. That proves to be a little sketchy in bumpy seas.
At ORC I knew I wouldn't be able to head to shore to pee and the conditions weren't in favor of the 'take a knee' approach. So I sat there with my relief zipper open...pushing with All my might to squeeze out any urine. To my surprise I was actually able to take care of business.
So now I just unzip and water the mirage drive hole when ever it gets thirsty.
Hope that helps.
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yep I use the drive hole or a wide mouth bottle. Bigger mouth is better because you dont have to look especially if your PFD is blocking your view. Maybe you can get a bed bottle.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nova-Ortho-Med-Inc.-Male-Urinal-with-Cover/21369506?findingMethod=rr
Or an old Folgers plastic can.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/16777245?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227009528898&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=18128936230&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=39985849270&veh=sem
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old wide mouth Nalgene bottle stored in the front hold, kneel over Mirage drive hole, no worries about sloshes, spills, or overfilling it...
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While I was filming some carp shooting earlier this year I had to relieve myself. I forgot the camera was rolling until I was going through the footage later on.......
I deleted the video. Your welcome.
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On the last media trip we did, the videographer said that on his last shoot he had a lot of footage of kayak anglers relieving themselves. He wanted us to be aware of the camera so we wouldn't repeat those "mistakes". I told him it would have made a good educational video. ::)
-Allen
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You could head to Rite-Aid and pick up a bag of Male Depends... ;D
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Here's one of the more interesting threads I've read on this:
http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=10028.0
(http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10028.0;attach=17351;image)
Brad sure has this whole kayak / fishing / peeing thing down to a science. ;)
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So far I haven't had to pee at all from my kayak while on the water. Between having a large capacity and managing my fluid intake it hasn't been an issue. The times I've put in 8 hour days on the water I've also been able to take shore breaks, so I'd just hold it until I was on land. I don't have a drive well to pee into either.
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The hawg trough pee ramp is a great idea! For me it depends on conditions and privacy, but most of the time I just use the drive well.
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Just unzip and cast a rainbow .... Just pitch off the last little bit to avoid dribble in the dry suit.
The real victory was the girlfriend finally finding a solution to peeing on the water!
Sent from my Motorola Flip phone.
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I don't have a drive well to pee into either.
You don't need a drivewell. Footwells work perfectly fine. Splash a little water on them when you're done and it all flows out the scupper holes.
-Allen
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Just unzip and cast a rainbow .... Just pitch off the last little bit to avoid dribble in the dry suit.
The real victory was the girlfriend finally finding a solution to peeing on the water!
Sent from my Motorola Flip phone.
What's her method?
Sent from my GD300
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Just unzip and cast a rainbow .... Just pitch off the last little bit to avoid dribble in the dry suit.
The real victory was the girlfriend finally finding a solution to peeing on the water!
Sent from my Motorola Flip phone.
What's her method?
Sent from my GD300
It was a team effort. A wide mouthed cup or bottle is needed. While I stabilized her yak she knelt and leaned forward. She reached into her suit through the relief zipper and peeded into the cup. All and all pretty easy. Key is the widest mouthed cup she can fit inside her suit.
Sent from my Motorola Flip phone.
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Hrm, I think a version of that with the funnel should work.
Sent from my GD300
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There are a couple female friendly options on the market that I've heard good results from my wife's realm of friends:
The Shewee and the Go-girl; both are more or less a plastic phallus.
I'm not a fan of kneeling up while in rough seas. Somehow the rougher the water the more apt I am to have the urge. If it's calm, I can hold it forever. Regardless, I always try to kneel first, but abort the attempt before establishing a stream. This is usually due to the thoughts of a future me falling in the ocean with gallons of seawater rushing in through my nether-regions.
I have had the thought of some type of hose similar to the above mentioned devices, but anatomically shaped to fit dudes. Anybody try that? Don't astronauts use a similar hose so they don't pee all over in space?
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I'm glad someone else brought this up so I didn't have to. I'm pretty much screwed with my current setup on the ocean though: farmer john = no way to zip down without taking off everything including PFD. When I'm not wearing immersion gear I just water the scupper holes.
Good tip(s) for the ladies!
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In my Caper, the footwells don't drain out the scuppers so that option is out. I have always taken a ziplock baggy, but it's kinda tricky. Last couple of times I just used the hog trough and managed to get everything over the side ok!
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Ironic timing on this thread. I was just pondering this yesterday, now that I've ordered my dry suit w/relief zip. Part of my motivation was being tired of having to head ashore with the dry top/waders combo. Some of my coworkers have used the term "baby bladder" on me, so this topic is a real concern for me. Valuable info!
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I have two methods. One is to straddle the kayak with my legs hanging off the side. Then I lean forward and hook ankles on the underside of the boat. Then pee into the footwell or drivewell. Option two is to just lean back and make the rainbow. Option one is less messy but option two is faster and I can even do it while pedaling. If you are working hard to cover a good distance staying hydrated is pretty important.
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I have two methods. One is to straddle the kayak with my legs hanging off the side. Then I lean forward and hook ankles on the underside of the boat. Then pee into the footwell or drivewell. Option two is to just lean back and make the rainbow. Option one is less messy but option two is faster and I can even do it while pedaling. If you are working hard to cover a good distance staying hydrated is pretty important.
+1 on the second method...though I've never tried while pedaling!
+2 on staying hydrated. Mucho importante.
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I have two methods. One is to straddle the kayak with my legs hanging off the side. Then I lean forward and hook ankles on the underside of the boat. Then pee into the footwell or drivewell. Option two is to just lean back and make the rainbow. Option one is less messy but option two is faster and I can even do it while pedaling. If you are working hard to cover a good distance staying hydrated is pretty important.
+1 on the second method...though I've never tried while pedaling!
+2 on staying hydrated. Mucho importante.
pedal peeling is a must while trolling. Glad to hear I'm not alone on this one.
-Rodney-
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I'm fine with taking a break from the troll so I can water the sea weed. I don't think it's that important.
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A relief tube like is on some aircraft would work. Just a flexible tube that goes overboard with sort of a funnel on the end.
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Assuming you can unzip......A plastic "male urinal" from Wally-World works well....about $6.00... :angel:
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Kokatat has (had?) dry suits with specific "women" relief zipper.
(http://www.whitewaterthecanoecentre.co.uk/ekmps/shops/wwtcc/images/kokatat-women-s-t3-meridian-drysuit-%5B2%5D-4738-p.jpg)
I don't have a dry suit, I have wet suits only, so I bought some neoprene, zipper, velcro and I took one of my wet suits to a sewer who for $40 sewed in the zipper exactly the Kokatat way. Not sure what SINK people would do in a such case.
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This thread is AWESOME!!!! :banjo:
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I had a relief zipper installed in my farmer john at Eugene Skin Divers years ago. I think it was $35. Best investment ever!
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Ditto on Noah's method for me. As an aside, I am told there is a fine if the game warden catches you putting urine in the water. One has to wonder about proof on that one... "You have a video officer, really, you pervert. Oh, now you have handcuffs and you want me to get in your van?" I'm sure this sounded funnier in my head.
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If you do a lot of fishing in cold turbulent water a long way from shore, frequently wear a dry suit, and don’t like the idea of trying to pee through a relief zipper in those conditions, you could install a pee valve in your dry suit. It’s an expensive option, but works great.
I do a lot of spearfishing from my kayak. I set up a line of diver down buoys along a weed line, anchor my kayak over the weeds, and snorkel around whacking pike. I typically spend 4-6 hours in the water during a day of spearfishing.
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During a day of spearfishing, periodically I would think, “huh, I kind of need to take a pee.” Then fifteen minutes later I would realize “wow, I REALLY need to pee.” The character of the shorelines and lake bottoms in the lakes where I do most of my spearfishing makes it tough to swim into shallow water, stand up, and pee. So I’d need to churn a hundred yards or more back to my kayak, climb into the kayak, and then struggle with the process of peeing through my relief zipper, hampered by the many layers of insulating clothing I was wearing. It was a big hassle, which I’d often need to repeat several times during a day of spearfishing.
Scuba divers who use dry suits have the same problem on long dives. Their solutions are (a) dehydrate yourself, which creates other problems, and doesn’t always work, (b) wear disposable diapers, which is messy and disgusting, or (c) install a pee valve. A pee valve is a valve which is installed someplace on the thigh of a dry suit. There are “balanced” and “unbalanced” pee valves. Balanced valves work better on deep dives, but cost more. A hose runs from the pee valve to an external catheter. A male external catheter is like an adhesive-lined condom with a short section of rubber hose on the tip. The catheter is attached to the end of the hose which runs to the pee valve. There are external catheters for women, but I don’t know anything about them. External catheters are available at medical supply stores.
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I have installed a balanced pee valve in my spearfishing drysuit, and have been really happy with its performance while spearfishing. Any time I feel the urge to pee, I can just let loose, without any interruption in the spearfishing process. If members of this forum have any interest in pee valve systems, I could do a posting on the details of these systems.
However, when kayak fishing, I only use my pee valve when the weather is so cold and inclement that I’m wearing my dry suit, and I’m going to be a long way from shore. Consequently, usually when I’m fishing I’m trying to pee like everybody else. And I haven’t figured out a way to do it yet which is convenient and safe. One option would be to attach an external catheter to a length of hose, and run the hose down my pant leg. When I want to pee, I could just hang my leg over the side of my kayak. However, I’m looking for a lower-tech method which works when wearing pants in warm weather, and probably a different system which works when wearing waders or dry pants in cooler weather, and appreciate all of your thoughtful and insightful suggestions.
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Wow.. Im so happy just to have a relief zipper I never thought about these situations.. Its so nice to be able to have the morning coffee, the mid morning energy drink, and the noonish beers w/o the shoreline sprint and strip.If ya dont have a drivewell to use , the widemouth plastic jar works great!Although, I'm sure the ocean makes the situation ALOT more dicey.
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With the assistance of all your helpful comments, I have assembled an effective and easy-to-use device for peeing while sitting in a sit-on-top kayak. It consists of a funnel from the automotive department of a local hardware store, and a length of vinyl hose. It cost about five bucks, and took about five seconds to assemble. I stick the end of the hose down one of my scupper holes, stick the end of my weenie down the funnel, and let loose. I don’t need to change position in my seat. If I’m surrounded by people on docks or watercraft, I can lay a piece of clothing in my lap, and nobody will know what I’m doing.
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I chose hose which is large diameter so pee won’t pile up in the funnel, and which is flexible so it is easier to stash inside my kayak.
Now I need to figure out a way to pee while sitting in a kayak and wearing waders.
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I just recently upgraded to a dry suit with a relief zipper. Used the relief zipper for the first time at Depoe Bay a week or so ago. I wear layers consisting of Omni Heat long underwear and fleece pants under the suit. There was no issue just scooting down towards the Hobie drive well and then leaning back against the seat back slightly to get a good clear opening. All the under garments are stretchy enough that it wasn't an issue to make a line shot at the Mirage drive.
I plan to take more hydrating liquids on the water with me now, as I too use to dehydrate myself by not drinking enough during 4-8 hours on the water.
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You can pee in a kayak while wearing waders by taking off the elastic belt, sliding a wide-mouth bottle down into the leg of the waders, sticking your weenie into the mouth of the bottle, and letting fly. You can hear your pee splashing into the bottle, and the pitch will rise as the bottle fills. When the pitch reaches the A flat above middle C, stop peeing, stand the bottle upright, slide it out of your waders, empty it, and rinse it out. Repeat as necessary. This works great if you are a skinny guy in baggy waders, like me. It may not be feasible if you are a big guy in tight waders. I take my arms out of my PFD and stick both of them down into my waders for this maneuver. Overall, it's easy, you don't need to get into some unusual position, and it can be done safely even in big waves and inclement conditions.
You will need to find a bottle which is small enough to slide down into your waders, but big enough to hold your typical load of pee. The pee bottles available at drugstores are typically about 4 inches square with a handle, which is too big to fit into my waders. For me, a 20 ounce water or juice bottle with a wide mouth works fine. Next time you're in the grocery store, look for bottles which might work. The spray bottles containing Windex and other cleaners are an interesting option because they are asymetrical. I suspect that the screw tops are too small for most weenies, but you could cut the top off of the bottle at an angle
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This thread is making me snicker and giggle...what I have gathered so far is that being skinny and having perfect pitch make for a more successful urination.
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I pee freely. I just have to remember to to zip my dry suit zipper all the way up. It's nice being able to bring morning coffee with me and a couple of water bottles with my. Having the mirage drive hole to shoot at makes it easy.