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Kayak Fishing => The Kayak Shack => Topic started by: kaz on October 23, 2018, 04:41:17 PM

Title: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: kaz on October 23, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
I've been scanning the classifieds for these 2 yaks (T 140,  Malibu X-13) ,  but so far,  the sellers are all too distant.  I've chosen these two yaks for:  reasonable sea-worthiness and speed (13'-14' yaks) ,  light weight (68-57 lbs.), economy,  and established reputation. 


My only experience kayaking is with a homemade Cape Falcon F1 (using a Greenlander paddle) so I'm woefully  inexperienced.  Any recommendations would be helpful.  I've searched thru and read the comments at NWKA. 


Any suggestions would be welcome. 
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: Tinker on October 24, 2018, 12:14:58 AM
I have a WS Tarpon 100 out in the garage and it weighs more than 68 pounds rigged (with the seat and hatch covers installed).  Can't imagine how a kayak 4 feet longer could weigh less.  Just saying.
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: jp52 on October 24, 2018, 02:43:37 AM
I have a couple of older T140s they paddle great, can carry lots of gear (I can easily  load them up with three Danielson crab pots (one collapsed) and a crab ring each.) Easy to get on the top of the car. I really notice how light they are when I help other people carry their Hobies etc.

For comparison, I have a Perception Pescador 13' tandem. That is more like the wider fishing kayaks. When I paddle that solo it is like a barge. Way slower then my T140.

I have never paddled an X-13.
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: kaz on October 24, 2018, 07:57:48 AM
I have a WS Tarpon 100 out in the garage and it weighs more than 68 pounds rigged (with the seat and hatch covers installed).  Can't imagine how a kayak 4 feet longer could weigh less.  Just saying.


Well Tinker, you are making a good point.  On the web page of WS they list the weight of the T 140 as 68 lbs.,   but retailers have listed varying weights (as high as 75 lbs.).  WS may be minimizing their specs by giving a bare-hull weight or it might be deception.  Some retailers or reviews note that the manufacturers "claim" a particular weight. 
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: kaz on October 24, 2018, 08:37:04 AM
I have a couple of older T140s they paddle great, can carry lots of gear (I can easily  load them up with three Danielson crab pots (one collapsed) and a crab ring each.) Easy to get on the top of the car. I really notice how light they are when I help other people carry their Hobies etc.

For comparison, I have a Perception Pescador 13' tandem. That is more like the wider fishing kayaks. When I paddle that solo it is like a barge. Way slower then my T140.

I have never paddled an X-13.



Hey jp52,  thanks for your description/comparison of your T 140s.   It seems that kayak companies are replacing their slimmer kayaks in favor of beamier more stable hulls.  They are probably responding to a consumer that wants a stand-up  fishing platform.  Some of the 14' paddle yaks have beams of 33"  or more.  They gain stability,  but increase the hull weight and sacrifice speed.  When I was reading reviews of the T 140,  some folks remarked that the yak was tippy. 


I know that every yak design is compromise,  but I would favor performance and light weight over rock-solid stability. 


It seems that the X-13 has been discontinued,  but it's available from West Marine.  The X-13 rides low in the water with a hull height of less than 12" (hull height for T 140-14.5").  Both yaks can be had new for about $1000.  I'm still  hoping that I can find a used yak.
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: Shin09 on October 24, 2018, 09:16:35 AM
I was in next adventure a week or two ago and looking at Tarpons to replace my ATAK potentially (since its a SUCH a beats at 93 lbs).  Maybe its just the comparison to the ATAK but the T140 and 120 were very easy to move around and pick up.  The external handles makes a big difference.    I am completely average as far as strength goes for a 31 year old and I had no problem lifting a T140 over my head to put on my car. 
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: kaz on October 24, 2018, 10:11:53 AM
Thanks for the comparison, Shin09.   I've also read about the ATAK, and   they have an excellent reputation.  I'm happy to hear that you can manhandle the T 140.  For years I've trailered a 17' outboard to Neah Bay,  and I've had truck, trailer, and boat/engine nightmares.  On my last trip to NB (at 1:30 AM),  I found myself with a blown-out truck tire,  in a nasty wet ditch (3+ hours to put on a nearly flat spare).  So you might understand that ease of handling is important to me. 


It seems like the length, weight and slim hull of the T 140  might make it easier to handle.  The T 140 also has a sit-in style seat.  The low center-of-gravity should enhance the overall performance. 
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: Tinker on October 24, 2018, 06:17:45 PM
They're fatter because the kayak bass fishing market is opening up, and those folks have different ideas about how to use a kayak and what they're willing to do to set one up for fishing.  And what they're willing to pay.

Some manufacturers list the weight of an unrigged hull - Hobie and Wilderness Systems definitely do that.

I like/liked the Tarpon 100 but I liked the Trident ModPod when I bought a longer kayak.

Go test kayaks.  What we think isn't worth the paper it's written on.  :banjo:

 
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: Dr. Steelhead Catcher on October 24, 2018, 07:58:10 PM
Actually, Hobie does list both the fitted hull weight and fully rigged hull weight for all of the Mirage kayak line.......example https://www.hobie.com/kayaks/mirage-outback/
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: Tinker on October 25, 2018, 02:07:54 AM
Good to hear, Doc.  They weren't dong that in 2014 when I bought my Revo, but back then, the only added weight on a fully rigged hull was the weight of the Mirage drive and I don't know about anyone else, but I never had the drive in place when lifting it onto the racks.   ;D
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: kaz on October 25, 2018, 12:42:10 PM
They're fatter because the kayak bass fishing market is opening up, and those folks have different ideas about how to use a kayak and what they're willing to do to set one up for fishing.  And what they're willing to pay.

Some manufacturers list the weight of an unrigged hull - Hobie and Wilderness Systems definitely do that.

I like/liked the Tarpon 100 but I liked the Trident ModPod when I bought a longer kayak.

Go test kayaks.  What we think isn't worth the paper it's written on.  :banjo:



I'd love to test the yaks,  but I don't think any local shops sell the Mailbu line of yaks.  However,  I called my local REI and they might be able to let me test a T 140.  The ModPods on the Trident look like an excellent feature. 
Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: Captain Redbeard on October 26, 2018, 11:11:48 AM
No experience with the Malibu X-13, but I paddle the Tarpon 140 pretty frequently.

There are a couple of design considerations that I feel like WS could improve on but the most important parts (hull shape, seat) are great. It's fast and I really like it on the ocean; I feel most comfortable in the ocean on it compared to my other boats. (I mean I'm not uncomfortable on my other boats, I just really like the way the Tarpon 140 cuts through waves and how it handles in rough conditions.) I also like it for stillwater bass fishing in all but the smallest waters (and even then you can manage). If you're going to do a bunch of trolling you'll want a rudder.

Title: Re: What would you choose...A WS Tarpon 140 or a Malibu X-13?
Post by: kaz on October 26, 2018, 11:51:23 AM
Thanks for the review Captain.  My only experience paddling yaks are with my homemade skin-on-frame yak (23" beam),  and a few borrowed yaks.  Therefore,  it's impossible for me to compare/contrast yaks with any kind of  objectivity.  Your review of the T 140 is consistent with most of the reviews that I've read online, and I've read dozens of reviews.  It seems like WS has designed a hull with reasonable sea-keeping ability. 


I have experience fishing with a 17'  outboard around Neah Bay (I'm always a wee bit nervous in those waters),  but there are many near-shore areas that can be accessed  with a seaworthy yak.  T 140 owners must love their yaks.  I've been all over the web,  and very few are available for sale.  Thanks again,  kaz.