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Kayak Fishing => Product Discussions => Topic started by: Tinker on November 26, 2023, 08:08:21 AM
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Does anyone operate a drone - a small one that doesn't need registration under Part 107?
I'd like to learn more about them (other than from YouTube videos by people I'll never know) because Woo-Woo you haven't made a fishing video if you don't have aerial footage! :spittake:
(That last part was B-S. The kid wants one for Christmas.)
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I bought a DJI Mini 3 Pro a few months ago. It's my first and have not used it fishing yet, but intend to. Pretty fun to see things from above where you are. As for a gift, with extra batteries that you'll need for it to be worthwhile, as well as a two year warranty, I spent at least $1200. There is a lower model if you don't want to spend that much, but I don't recommend it due to it not having obstacle avoidance sensors. This one came highly recommended, and I'm pretty happy with it. Lots to learn, and it can be set to follow you hands free. As long as I don't use it commercially, it does not have to be registered.
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I bought my son a DJI Mavic Mini a few years ago and it is very impressive so I imagine the newest version is even better. It has crazy long range and is GPS equipped so it returns to where it took off if the connection fails, though it never has. The images are very sharp and steady. They also have good service. My son broke one of the rotors doing something stupid and it was reasonable to send it in for repair.
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Thank you both. It helps to be able to identify a reliable manufacturer, and I appreciate it.
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I've built 18 racing drones and owned 3 DJI in the past so have some experience with them. Definitely go with DJI. It's impressive how many features they packed in such a small package. Costco has deals on them.
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I've built 18 racing drones and owned 3 DJI in the past so have some experience with them. Definitely go with DJI. It's impressive how many features they packed in such a small package. Costco has deals on them.
Thank you. I checked Costco but now that she's studied them, I'm afraid I'm not going to get away with anything less than the Mini 4 Pro. I guess the all-around crash avoidance system will pay off sooner or later.
SIGH
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I am twitching to purchase the DJI Air 3 Fly More Combo. The omnidirectional obstacle sensing (for clutsy people like me), the follow me feature, and the video screen built into the controller has pushed me in this direction. It is a wishful thinking retirement toy.
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I am glad you brought up this topic Tinker. I did a bit of research and drone weight comes into to play where drones weighing more than 250g (.55 lbs) must be registered or the pilot must procure a drone license in multiple locals (including Canada). I can see why drone manufacturers have their "mini" category. Kinda changing my mind about the DJI Air 3 (720 g) and going with the DJI Mini 4 Pro (249 g) just so I don't have to get licensed/registered in multiple localities when traveling..... Much cheaper too.
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Getting a part 107 license isn't that onerous. Spend the ~$400 and take the course and get the license.
Have your drone outfit with an ADS-B transponder and understand airspace. Use B4UFLY.
Operate your UAS responsibly. Don't be those dickheads rock climbing at the Sandy River that were filming themselves with a drone in the traffic pattern at pattern altitude at KTTD. Yes, I was pissed.
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Am I misunderstanding the FAA rules? I thought that drone registration (drones weighing >250gm) and licensing were entirely different, and a person only needed a Part 107 license if they flew the contraptions for commercial purposes. Otherwise, I thought they only needed to register the drone with the FAA.
The FAA allows locales to add a limited number and type of flight restrictions, but otherwise, the rules are pretty standardized across the country, and it didn't seem too confusing to me - but I'm not the least bit interested in flying a drone - I fear that if I was, Doug might murder me just to send a message to the asshats in the drone community about staying out of his way.
I got that far along in understanding drones because hang me if I was going to give a gift that expensive if she couldn't find a place to fly it. I know other countries have different flight rules, but I hope she isn't planning on invading Canada by drone.
Doug, do you need a Canadian license to fly into Canada, or is there a reciprocity agreement for private pilots similar to the agreements about driver's licenses?
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I looked into Canada rules since I plan on staying on Vancouver Island a couple of months this summer. No regististration or "license" required under 250g. Anything 250+ individuals need a Canadian registration and licence (no resciprocity). So the MiniPro 4 your daughter has her eyes on falls under the threshold. I ordered the DJI Mini 4 Pro Fly More Combo with DJI RC 2 yesterday which includes three batteries and the screen on the controller. Merry Christmas to me.........
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Am I misunderstanding the FAA rules? I thought that drone registration (drones weighing >250gm) and licensing were entirely different, and a person only needed a Part 107 license if they flew the contraptions for commercial purposes. Otherwise, I thought they only needed to register the drone with the FAA.
The FAA allows locales to add a limited number and type of flight restrictions, but otherwise, the rules are pretty standardized across the country, and it didn't seem too confusing to me - but I'm not the least bit interested in flying a drone - I fear that if I was, Doug might murder me just to send a message to the asshats in the drone community about staying out of his way.
I got that far along in understanding drones because hang me if I was going to give a gift that expensive if she couldn't find a place to fly it. I know other countries have different flight rules, but I hope she isn't planning on invading Canada by drone.
Doug, do you need a Canadian license to fly into Canada, or is there a reciprocity agreement for private pilots similar to the agreements about driver's licenses?
Part 107 has undergone changes recently in an effort to catch up with how people use and want to use drones. I don’t have a part 107 license, but it’s my understanding that drones must be operated according to the airspace rules where they are operated, and that operators must be licensed even for the sub 250g class if there is a commercial purpose, operation over crowds, or in order to get permission to operate in controlled airspace. Additionally, operators must be identifiable and the drones must use transponders. I last looked into this a little over a year ago, so it might have changed or the implementation schedule might have changed. We had a user conflict with drone operation over high school football games, drones loitering over crowds and over city streets, and operating in class E airspace near an airport. Some people wanted to ban them outright, others wanted there to be no rules at all Part 107 be damned, and I preferred a middle approach of licensing, transponder use, and FAA approval for operation in controlled airspace. I lost and the ban people won.
As far as part 91 general aviation into Canada, the only thing we need is a radio operators license and to follow Canadian aviation rules, which are not too dissimilar from US rules, the major difference being nighttime instrument ratings and IFR flight plan requirements with the canucks being more stringent. Canada also allows air Uber type operations where the US would never allow part 91 operations to carry passengers as an air taxi for profit.
And I only want to murder drone operators that are clueless enough to operate a drone in a traffic pattern of a busy towered airport. The only towered airport near you is in coos bay and that isn’t all that busy except for the coast guard traffic, and they’d probably just jam you or shoot you down anyway.
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Nice to hear from someone with experience. Commercial use of drones requiring licesensing no matter what the "weight" of a drone is consistent with my research which wouldn't apply to most of us. Different locals have different rules it is key to look up the rules/regulations where ever you are at (kinda like understanding the fishing regulations, seasons, zones, etc.). What you don't know can hurt you..... Never a bad thing to understand protocols and being respectful in any endeavor.
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Nice to hear from someone with experience. Commercial use of drones requiring licesensing no matter what the "weight" of a drone is consistent with my research which wouldn't apply to most of us. Different locals have different rules it is key to look up the rules/regulations where ever you are at (kinda like understanding the fishing regulations, seasons, zones, etc.). What you don't know can hurt you..... Never a bad thing to understand protocols and being respectful in any endeavor.
https://b4ufly.aloft.ai/
This is B4UFLY. Use it. Always use it. This is the desktop version. The app works too.
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Thanks! Downloaded the B4UFLY and ALOFT apps on my phone (I live within restricted airspace) plus took the Recreational UAS Safety Test through Drone Trust to get my certificate. Lots to learn....... Kind of a pain having to get LAANC permission to fly on my own property (relatively small town with an airport). Can't wait to start learning to fly.
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Thanks! Downloaded the B4UFLY and ALOFT apps on my phone (I live within restricted airspace) plus took the Recreational UAS Safety Test through Drone Trust to get my certificate. Lots to learn....... Kind of a pain having to get LAANC permission to fly on my own property (relatively small town with an airport). Can't wait to start learning to fly.
Unless you are extremely close to the airport the LAANC permission should be automatic as long as its below the altitude restriction, usually 200-400 ft depending on proximity. Otherwise it has to be reviewed by the FSDO. You always want to avoid the FSDO and try to make sure that they do not know that you exist.
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Ok, is there a micro drone with camera that is useful for suburban property owners who want to inspect their rooves for post storm damage ? Bearing in mind we live 26 miles south of seatac but have aircraft in both climb out and downslope constantly overhead, in addition to a local general aviation airport within 5 miles with low altitude cross traffic.
Add in occasional helos at less that 500 ft covering I 5 and Hwy 18 for news and accidents. Oh, almost forgot, throw in low altitude military helos about 5 times a week.
Basically, I want to be able to check the roof after heavy storms within the boundaries of our property and not interfere with the big guys carrying people.
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Ok, is there a micro drone with camera that is useful for suburban property owners who want to inspect their rooves for post storm damage ? Bearing in mind we live 26 miles south of seatac but have aircraft in both climb out and downslope constantly overhead, in addition to a local general aviation airport within 5 miles with low altitude cross traffic.
Add in occasional helos at less that 500 ft covering I 5 and Hwy 18 for news and accidents. Oh, almost forgot, throw in low altitude military helos about 5 times a week.
Basically, I want to be able to check the roof after heavy storms within the boundaries of our property and not interfere with the big guys carrying people.
Not sure about your ideal drone, but in the auburn/federal way area you’re right on the line of the controlled airspace for drones and for airspace generally. There is a class B shelf that crosses in an east/west arc right at the water towers on top of the north/south ridge west of auburn. All that airplane traffic you see is going around and under the class B shelf. I’ve done it myself several times. Auburn is a crazy busy non-towered airport. It depends whether you live north or south of those towers as to whether or not you need permission to fly a drone (or a helicopter, or an airplane, etc.).
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Ok, is there a micro drone with camera that is useful for suburban property owners who want to inspect their rooves for post storm damage ?
Yes. Lots. How much do you want to spend?
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@Crash; thats exactly why im asking the question. And, Southwest of the Auburn Gen Av facility
@Tinker: i tend to be cheap when it comes to "techy" things. The planned obsolescence model of business never caught on with me . Most of my computers in the house tend to be old, many of them refurbished, refreshed with new parts if i can do it myself. So lets say no more than $200
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What I don't know about camera drones could fill all the volumes in the New York Library. What I bought for my kid was a stupidly expensive drone (for a beginner), but don't tell her that I'm hoping she won't like flying a drone so I can have it.
Look at Amazon. There are a number of packages - ready-to-fly drone + radio controller (you'll need a mobile phone as a "screen" for most controllers) - in the $200 price range.
Don't look at the mini-drones (the "Whoops") for what you want to do; those can only fly for 3 or 4 minutes and it could take you all weekend to look at your roof.
There are a couple of members up top who first answered my question and they know a heck of a lot more than me since they actually own or have owned a drone whereas I've only shopped for one.
Perhaps we can get them interested in this thread again?
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I answered at the top, but not sure who you were referring to. Haven't flown a bunch, Haven't read the rules a bunch, but just enough to mostly stay out of trouble. Not sure I'm qualified for most questions, as I'm pretty new at the drone thing. Would like to fly a bigger one sometime just to compare, but I really do enjoy my mini 3 pro for the cost. Not for windy days though. Pretty easy to blow it around.
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Is ok. After I posted that last I searched for under $200 drones in an open search engine and got some good ideas. All I need is one that can stay aloft at under 50 feet for half an hour and has good resolution. I think I might have found it in the Black Falcon drones made here in the U.S.
As I noted, and Crash corroborated, my location might be a little .....tricky? might be the correct term , for aerial inspection of a domocilic roof. At this point I've got more digging for details to do
.After I watch the latest episode of The Fat Electrician on YouTube 😁
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I answered at the top, but not sure who you were referring to. Haven't flown a bunch, Haven't read the rules a bunch, but just enough to mostly stay out of trouble. Not sure I'm qualified for most questions, as I'm pretty new at the drone thing. Would like to fly a bigger one sometime just to compare, but I really do enjoy my mini 3 pro for the cost. Not for windy days though. Pretty easy to blow it around.
More than one person replied earlier, but you'll do... I think [WR] is is looking for product information, not flight rules. You might have looked at DJI immediately, as I did, or maybe you searched around for other options before making your decision, and that always helps.
P.S. When one is starting from zero, to us, you own one and that makes you practically the Stephen Hawking of hobby drones.
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What I don't know about camera drones could fill all the volumes in the New York Library. What I bought for my kid was a stupidly expensive drone (for a beginner), but don't tell her that I'm hoping she won't like flying a drone so I can have it.
Who knows? Maybe she will get bored with it or you can "borrow" it from time to time. Be careful though. The DJI Mini Pro 4 is very responsive. I tried to fly mine into the TV in my first test takeoff (too windy outside).
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A little of both, Tinker. Product info I did find, and now have to work out budget details. Flight rules ? Meh, who needs em?? I just an old guy with a flying toy camera checking my property after a storm
..why should I worry about some airliner that's 8000 feet above my rooftop??🤪