NorthWest Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing => Don't Ask Me How I Know => Topic started by: Mojo Jojo on July 05, 2014, 05:40:28 PM
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So first of all THANK YOU DEL ! I got hooked on the rocks past haystack rock at PC and tried to pull it out , if you have done that from the side of the boat in swells you know where I ended up. That's right azz over sombrero in 60+feet of water had my paddle leash wrapped around my leg with the line wrapped around my foot. Oh great I'm wet but the water was actualy nice to be in since it was getting hot in my farmer johns. Now the fun part and in comes Del to the rescue unclip my paddle leash pulled it off me , the pole went back in and sank with the hook now in my boot laces , sweet can save the pole. So I thought as I tried twice to get back in , not easy in swells with curent pushing your legs under the boat. Del rolls to the other side pushes down on my hull reaches across to my hand and helps yard my wet sorry azz back on board. If anyone else has done this they most likely also immediately got a swim entry assist step, guess what I'm making or buying. Yep swim step. As for the pole hooked to my boot you guessed it the line snapped as I re-entered my boat so it's structure now. THANK YOU DEL!
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You made it out alive. That is what is important. Great job Del for being there to assist! You need a GoPro! >:D
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Welcome to the reality of salt water fishing.....
Glad you made it out okay with minimal loss of gear .And kudos to Del for being there to help out.
There are lessons for all of us to be learned with any capsizing. Be prepared for immersion 1st. Fishing with a buddy is always a good idea. Being aware of your balance point is also important. And above all --don't panic.
Shannon --you must have been using a more stout pole and line than when you fished on Fathers Day. What pound test were you using??? At least you saved your jig.
See you in a few days.........
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I was using the smaller of my two telephone poles with 80 lbs mono. I'm not sure if I was pulling on the pole when the yak leaned in or if it broke free when the yak was leaning out, (for those who haven't done it) it happens REAL fast.
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You made it out alive. That is what is important. Great job Del for being there to assist! You need a GoPro! >:D
That's on my "to get list" but a swim step just moved to top of the list
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I was using the smaller of my two telephone poles with 80 lbs mono.
I think we found the problem. If you spool straight mono 20-25 is all you need. If you go braid don't go higher than 50#.
Get a stick to wrap off and pull from directly from the side of the yak.
And practice re-entry in the salt. You need to be confident in your ability to get back on your yak.
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I was using the smaller of my two telephone poles with 80 lbs mono.
I think we found the problem. If you spool straight mono 20-25 is all you need. If you go braid don't go higher than 50#.
Get a stick to wrap off and pull from directly from the side of the yak.
And practice re-entry in the salt. You need to be confident in your ability to get back on your yak.
It was my grandpas pole ,line was already there, I also was thinking the same thing after the fact about salt re entry , it's way harder then in the lake four times in a row with a heavy wet hoody on to add weight. And that will be another post to see if enough guys want to hit PC after ORC to have a morning re-entry clinic followed by some fishing if enough guys are interested and I WILL BE building or buying an entry assist step.
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I was using the smaller of my two telephone poles with 80 lbs mono.
I think we found the problem. If you spool straight mono 20-25 is all you need. If you go braid don't go higher than 50#.
Get a stick to wrap off and pull from directly from the side of the yak.
And practice re-entry in the salt. You need to be confident in your ability to get back on your yak.
+1. You may also might want to just start with 30 lb braid.
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After the fact spot told me put the line over the bow nose in to the snag but I think I will just cut them loose I got scissors on my pfd
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You can wrap the line around your wood shampoo stick or gaff handle and stay centered in the kayak.
I don't think assisted re entry is best. You should be able to renter unassisted. The fewer moving parts, the better. Hit the gym and do push/pull upper body exercises if you aren't strong enough. At least daily chin-ups and push-ups.
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Sounds like you'll be getting a new pole soon so you need to make the adjustments mentioned above.
I run 50 lb. Power Pro on all my salt poles. It can be tough to break but you learn how.. especially at Depoe Bay. Wrapping your line around a dowel/ whacker works a lot better than you hand (or bring band-aids). You will get snagged up so be prepared. I wouldn't ever use 80 lb. mono for any fishing.
I agree about being able to self rescue. There will be more times that no one is near than not. Building a step assist might be a good idea for you. And practice with it also.
Cutting your line every time you get snagged up is really not a good idea. For one thing -- you'll run out of line too quickly if you snag up a lot. Two--- it can be a hazard to other fishermen and other boats as well. If you've ever had to clean off a prop in rolling seas -- you'll know what I mean.
I'll say it more than once in the next few days " Keep It Simple Stupid" . (Don't take that personally). Simple works for me cause I'm a simple kind of guy. Simple tackle. Simple pole. Simple or few gadgets on board. It works for me.
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Sounds like you'll be getting a new pole soon so you need to make the adjustments mentioned above.
I run 50 lb. Power Pro on all my salt poles. It can be tough to break but you learn how.. especially at Depoe Bay. Wrapping your line around a dowel/ whacker works a lot better than you hand (or bring band-aids). You will get snagged up so be prepared. I wouldn't ever use 80 lb. mono for any fishing.
I agree about being able to self rescue. There will be more times that no one is near than not. Building a step assist might be a good idea for you. And practice with it also.
Cutting your line every time you get snagged up is really not a good idea. For one thing -- you'll run out of line too quickly if you snag up a lot. Two--- it can be a hazard to other fishermen and other boats as well. If you've ever had to clean off a prop in rolling seas -- you'll know what I mean.
I'll say it more than once in the next few days " Keep It Simple Stupid" . (Don't take that personally). Simple works for me cause I'm a simple kind of guy. Simple tackle. Simple pole. Simple or few gadgets on board. It works for me.
Just so everyone knows I had a 20 lbs snap swivel on figuring that's light enough to only leave the jig in the water. And it would be REALLY hard to offend me. As for self recovery that's something that will be addressed rapidly as I said before I did it 4 times in a row in a very heavy cotton sweater with all my gear on but that was in a lake. And that's also why I don't fish alone in the salt. Anyone they has fished with me know upper body strength isn't a problem for me. Today was a good day I took home 7 fish and a learning experience.
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Glad you made it out safe.
I run heavy braid but drop it down to 30lb mono. This includes my sturgeon gear and i havnt broke off one yet. The mono helps with abrasion from rocks and corral as well.
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I see my jig caused the problem lol.glad your OK.
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I'm glad it turned out the way it did! That said, upper body strength although fantastic isn't all you need to facilitate a self rescue. It's more technique than anything. You have to lay out flat and thrust yourself atop your boat while pulling it under you. If you try to rely on strength alone you end up under your boat (like you mentioned). As for a water step; I've been playing with one on a regular basis as a possible tool to use for HOW. Not a fan... They're remotely difficult to get your foot in the stirrup, and they have a tendency to make you rely on strength vs technique once again putting you under your boat.
I'll get off my soap box now...
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I'm sure you've seen this or something similar, but it illustrates the lay out flat, and thrust I was referring to a little better.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLy33_-VG7EjWjB3agMe74g1qzUHEDpFqu&v=NLugVeh1J5g
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JoJo
I wouldn't trust the rating on the snap swivel. I run 30 lb braid ending in a much heavier snap swivel. I attach a 25 lb five foot mono leader that has a snap swivel at the end where the jig attaches and a swivel at the other end. I carry about ten of these. I never have to tie knots on the water this way. Therefore no :puke: and there is less down time after a break-off.
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JoJo
I wouldn't trust the rating on the snap swivel. I run 30 lb braid ending in a much heavier snap swivel. I attach a 25 lb five foot mono leader that has a snap swivel at the end where the jig attaches and a swivel at the other end. I carry about ten of these. I never have to tie knots on the water this way. Therefore no :puke: and there is less down time after a break-off.
Love the avitar and the last two times out on Dramamine no pukey even looking down and that's what I'm going to do with the line down size at the jig.
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Glad everything turned out OK Mojo Jojo!
This event reminded me of something I've never bothered to tell newbies before but will definitely add to seminars.
If your VHF gets submerged, smack it a couple of times with the speaker facing down and then call for a radio check. This is especially important if you're using your VHF for a Pan Pan or Mayday call from the water. If you don't get the water out, you won't be able to hear when other people are hailing or answering you.
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Glad everything turned out OK Mojo Jojo!
This event reminded me of something I've never bothered to tell newbies before but will definitely add to seminars.
If your VHF gets submerged, smack it a couple of times with the speaker facing down and then call for a radio check. This is especially important if you're using your VHF for a Pan Pan or Mayday call from the water. If you don't get the water out, you won't be able to hear when other people are hailing or answering you.
-Spot-
THAT is a very key piece of info--I had no idea. Thanks Spot.
T2
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Glad everything turned out OK Mojo Jojo!
This event reminded me of something I've never bothered to tell newbies before but will definitely add to seminars.
If your VHF gets submerged, smack it a couple of times with the speaker facing down and then call for a radio check. This is especially important if you're using your VHF for a Pan Pan or Mayday call from the water. If you don't get the water out, you won't be able to hear when other people are hailing or answering you.
-Spot-
THAT is a very key piece of info--I had no idea. Thanks Spot.
T2
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Some VHF handheld radios come with a feature to clear the water using sound. ICOM for example.
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Thanks for sharing. It helps keep us all on our toes.
I run 50# braid on my trolling and bottom fishing rigs, but with 20# leader. Easy enough to break using the tricks described above. Often reversing direction will pull out a snag - pull it out from the way it went in. A very shallow angle helps too, but keep the long axis of the yak between you and the snag. :)
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but keep the long axis of the yak between you and the snag. :)
This is also key for when monster hook sets are needed... don't do it with your rod at a right angle to your boat!
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but keep the long axis of the yak between you and the snag. :)
This is also key for when monster hook sets are needed... don't do it with your rod at a right angle to your boat!
I'm going to be keeping the rod tip between 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock unless there's a fish close to the surface getting pulled on board then I always prep for the fish to do a re-dive , I also keep my drag a little loose so a big boy don't give the surprise hook yank.
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but keep the long axis of the yak between you and the snag. :)
This is also key for when monster hook sets are needed... don't do it with your rod at a right angle to your boat!
I'm going to be keeping the rod tip between 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock unless there's a fish close to the surface getting pulled on board then I always prep for the fish to do a re-dive , I also keep my drag a little loose so a big boy don't give the surprise hook yank.
Yep. I've nearly pulled myself off my kayak when I get frustrated with sturgeon and I go for the bass-pro hookset. ;D
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The bass-pro hook set comment prompts me to remind everyone that the traditional hook set was done with monofilament, a line with a huge amount of stretch. Braid has virtually no stretch, so a traditional hook set may tear the hook out of a fish's mouth. With sharp hooks and braid I've found little to no hook set is needed.
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You can also increase stability by dangling your legs over the sides. Then again, I never have issues with stability unless I'm reaching for the tank well with sitting side straddle.
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If I absolutely can't free a snag by passing over it the opposite way that I snagged up, I point the rod tip at the snag and continue pedaling away from it until my leader breaks. Sometimes the lure comes free this way and I save my gear.
I realize that probably isn't an easy task in a paddle kayak. That's my tried and true method.
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If I absolutely can't free a snag by passing over it the opposite way that I snagged up, I point the rod tip at the snag and continue pedaling away from it until my leader breaks. Sometimes the lure comes free this way and I save my gear.
I realize that probably isn't an easy task in a paddle kayak. That's my tried and true method.
Just add the step of throwing out some extra line so that your momentum causes the break and it works well.
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If I absolutely can't free a snag by passing over it the opposite way that I snagged up, I point the rod tip at the snag and continue pedaling away from it until my leader breaks. Sometimes the lure comes free this way and I save my gear.
I realize that probably isn't an easy task in a paddle kayak. That's my tried and true method.
Just add the step of throwing out some extra line so that your momentum causes the break and it works well.
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Yep!
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If I absolutely can't free a snag by passing over it the opposite way that I snagged up, I point the rod tip at the snag and continue pedaling away from it until my leader breaks. Sometimes the lure comes free this way and I save my gear.
I realize that probably isn't an easy task in a paddle kayak. That's my tried and true method.
Just add the step of wrapping your line around something solid or you may damage your reel.