NorthWest Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing => The Kayak Shack => Topic started by: Tinker on July 03, 2023, 05:24:25 PM
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I found a 2016 Outback that looks to be in showroom condition, and I'd like to have it. I know, I know, I disrespect pedal driven kayaks all the time, but heck, if Spot can stand to be seen in a Hobie at the Brownlee Crappie Shootout, perhaps it's okay to be caught pedaling one every so often.
I don't know enough about the older Outbacks to know if they have any inherent problems. I know about the V2 drive on this one - the Revo I owned had a V2 drive. I think I remember that the Vantage seats were prone to fall out when the kayak rolled-over and there was some kind of simple fix but can't remember what it was.
Is there anything I should be looking at closely on that year of Outbacks? I'd appreciate any information anyone has.
Gads! Tinker in a Hobie! The world has certainly rolled-over...
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I've never been in an outback but think I remember seeing discussions about differences between the different year models over on the Hobie forums. You're prolly aware of that but figured I'd make note of it on the off chance that you weren't. Good luck!
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As disparaging as I've been about pedal-powered kayaks, I've stayed away fro the Hobie forums lest I get set on fire...
Okay, I didn't think about the forums. Thanks! I'll go see what I can learn.
I've never been in an outback but think I remember seeing discussions about differences between the different year models over on the Hobie forums. You're prolly aware of that but figured I'd make note of it on the off chance that you weren't. Good luck!
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I have had a couple 2015 outback’s and a 2018 outback that would be the same body style. I don’t know of any problems with that era. It wouldn’t have the 180 drive. 180 is really nice, but I think the older V2 drive holds up better than the 180.
Overall, I think they are a solid kayak and as long as the price was right, I wouldn’t hesitate to pick one up
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What's this? No jumping on me for even considering a Hobie - after everything I've said about paddling v. pedaling? James, you should take these openings when I serrve them to you.
My one concern about the 2016 is because it's been hauled around on a Hobie scupper cart. Do you know if Hobie was using the PVC liners in the scuppers back then, or is that a more recent innovation? Either way, I'll be giving those scuppers a close look.
There's also a 2018 over your way that I might find interesting. The asking price is a bit higher than the 2016 and I'm waiting to hear back from the seller so i can start negotiating on price. Is it you? Are you selling an orange 2018? After winning a new one, is it you thinning out your flock?
Thank you. For now, I just want a solid boat and I appreciate this information. Maybe I can relax a bit.
I have had a couple 2015 outback’s and a 2018 outback that would be the same body style. I don’t know of any problems with that era. It wouldn’t have the 180 drive. 180 is really nice, but I think the older V2 drive holds up better than the 180.
Overall, I think they are a solid kayak and as long as the price was right, I wouldn’t hesitate to pick one up
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I still cart around my 07 Outback, no issues. I actually used to just leave it in a hot garage, on the cart, before I knew any better. Not one problem with the scupper holes to this day.
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More good-to-know information. Thanks!
I still cart around my 07 Outback, no issues. I actually used to just leave it in a hot garage, on the cart, before I knew any better. Not one problem with the supper holes till this day.
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The pre-2019 outback are solid from what I know, the 2020 model has some issue with the hull but hobie fixed that. I have a 2012 revo 13 and 2022 outback, you can't go wrong with it.
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Thank you, bernie. From what I read on the Hobie Forums, there were some problems with the early models of the new design that were ironed-out later. I won;t need to worry about that since the older, pre-2019's fit in my kayak budget, but the newer ones are more than I want to spend, at least until I know the darned wind will settle down.
The pre-2019 outback are solid from what I know, the 2020 model has some issue with the hull but hobie fixed that. I have a 2012 revo 13 and 2022 outback, you can't go wrong with it.
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Thank you, bernie. From what I read on the Hobie Forums, there were some problems with the early models of the new design that were ironed-out later. I won;t need to worry about that since the older, pre-2019's fit in my kayak budget, but the newer ones are more than I want to spend, at least until I know the darned wind will settle down.
The only issue, so far, with my early 2019 Outback (Oct. 2018 delivery) was that it needed a secondary seal added to the bow hold lid. A recent roll and recovery outing resulted in perhaps a tablespoon of water inside the hull.
I think you will love the 2016, welcome to the Hobie darkside.
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I remember your post about the bow hatch seal, and one of the things no one on the Hobie forums asked the folks complaining about the 2019's was "How much do you weigh?" I'd bet that makes a difference. >:D
New question: since I need to work on upper body conditioning and leg strength, what's it like to paddle a 2016 - 2018 Outback? Is it fairly doable using a good paddle?
Oh, and roll-and-recovery with the Trident could put that much water in the hull, so the extra seal on the bow hatch definitely did the trick.
Thanks, roger.
The only issue, so far, with my early 2019 Outback (Oct. 2018 delivery) was that it needed a secondary seal added to the bow hold lid. A recent roll and recovery outing resulted in perhaps a tablespoon of water inside the hull.
I think you will love the 2016, welcome to the Hobie darkside.
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I'd say pedaling is far less taxing than paddling, for me at least. As long as you're not sprinting, dragging a downrigger weight, or fighting current/wind, I'd equate it to walking. I think you'll really appreciate the hands free aspect, especially if using the bug wand, and not the cheater standard gear I use. Wink, wink.
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I'm asking about paddling an Outback because the cancer drugs left me pretty much wasted. I was searching for a paddle-powered kayak to work on upper body conditioning, and then found an Outback at a great price so I could work on strengthening my legs. Soon after that, along came someone asking me if it's possible to paddle an Outback in the same way I paddled the Trident, even if not as easily as paddling the Trident, so I could work on both legs and upper body...
And I guess the answer is "Yes"?
Thanks, Cameron. I appreciate the answer.
I'd say pedaling is far less taxing than paddling, for me at least. As long as you're not sprinting, dragging a downrigger weight, or fighting current/wind, I'd equate it to walking. I think you'll really appreciate the hands free aspect, especially if using the bug wand, and not the cheater standard gear I use. Wink, wink.
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The answer is yes. I paddle my Outback on occassion (mostly for some upper body exercise other than the rowing machine in my living room). Definately doable but not as easy as my Jackson Cuda or a Revolution (no experience with a Trident). The Outback will give you that opportunity for full body conditioning. Best of luck.
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Doh!
I misread.
Maybe someday I'll learn to read.
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Dude! You did fine and I managed to untangle the birds nest to free up the answer without resorting to too much cussing. And anyway, you've never seen me tell a tale without wandering off into the weeds, have you? I didn't think so.
I had a Revo 13 before I was dragged into took up fly-fishing and that boat wasn't very fly-friendly. My fly line loved to scurry down the well for the Mirage drive - once it tangled in the rudder when I needed to get moving RIGHT NOW and I did circles until that other guy freed the rudder for me and see, I'm off in the weeds...
Doh!
I misread.
Maybe someday I'll learn to read.
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Thank you. And for the record, there was never a finer sit-on-top kayak design than the Trident hull and it was a mortal sin against kayaking when Johnson Outdoors stopped making them. I - and a lot of other folks - hoped they'd use the molds and just print "Old Town" on the side, but alas...
I just want to paddle an Outback to get some exercise, and I appreciate reading about your experience. I think i'm on the right track.
The answer is yes. I paddle my Outback on occassion (mostly for some upper body exercise other than the rowing machine in my living room). Definately doable but not as easy as my Jackson Cuda or a Revolution (no experience with a Trident). The Outback will give you that opportunity for full body conditioning. Best of luck.
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The older Outbacks are a great boat. I had my 2015 up until a few months ago when I sold it (you dont want to know for how much) and the only issue i had with it was the auto eject seat while practicing reentry. A piece of shock cord with a carabiner tied to the seat and a pad eye on the boat ensured that would never happen again. Yes, they have the PVC inserts in the scupper holes. As far as paddling, yes you can but I wouldn't want to do it for any length of time.
Welcome to the Dark Side... :banjo:
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The 2016 went bye-bye. It looked like it was dragged across an asphalt parking lot - several times - on the underside. But there's a 2018 over near Bend that looks good and might work (this time I asked for pictures of the underside). I don't know why all the nice boats are hundreds of miles away, and why, oh why, doesn't anyone deliver?
Did your 2015 do a full auto eject? The 2016 had a nylon strap holding the seat to the hull so I figured could only do a partial eject. Or was that strap prone to let loose? Easier to fix that than to replace a CT Vantage seat because HOLY COW those are expensive lawn chairs.
The older Outbacks are a great boat. I had my 2015 up until a few months ago when I sold it (you dont want to know for how much) and the only issue i had with it was the auto eject seat while practicing reentry. A piece of shock cord with a carabiner tied to the seat and a pad eye on the boat ensured that would never happen again. Yes, they have the PVC inserts in the scupper holes. As far as paddling, yes you can but I wouldn't want to do it for any length of time.
Welcome to the Dark Side... :banjo:
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yeah, I was practicing reentry and on the second or third roll when I rolled it back over the seat was no longer in the boat. I spent the rest of the day dragging the lake bottom trying to find it. Luckily I found a used one on Ebay but it still cost me $300 though.
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yeah, I was practicing reentry and on the second or third roll when I rolled it back over the seat was no longer in the boat. I spent the rest of the day dragging the lake bottom trying to find it. Luckily I found a used one on Ebay but it still cost me $300 though.
Find a shallower lake. I practice in water just deep enough that I can't stand up in it. Will I get silly, too, when I own a kayak?
Never mind. I believe I turned silly a long, long time ago. ???