NorthWest Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing => Product Discussions => Topic started by: hdpwipmonkey on February 16, 2018, 10:47:44 PM
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Saw this while perusing craigslist (I swear I was only looking, I wasn't shopping).
A local kayak builder. Anyone heard of them? I guess last year was their first time doing a pedal drive kayak. They usually do RIB style boats, according to their website.
Looks like a PA with just enough changes that they won't be sued by Hobie. ;D
Interesting...
https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/sgd/d/pedal-drive-fishing-kayak/6493745401.html
http://blackpointmarinenw.com/
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Weird how people are making this stuff in our own backyard right under our noses and this is the first I've heard of them.
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Google search shows the company principal is Ellery Mustoe of Scapoose Oregon. Appears to be pretty handy.
The kayak looks like a barge, sits really high. The placement of the rod holders so far forward forward looks odd, has anybody ever run a flush mount holder up there?
Weird apparent lack of market research for a higher price point pedal kayak in the PNW if no one here has ever even heard of this company. That said, I'd like to demo this boat and I'm already checking out where I'd add a stand up assist bar.
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Looking at the pics in their gallery, they put 6 flush mount holders on it, so there are more behind the seat too... The opening for the drive looks like the Hobie style- be interesting to see if their drive is compatible with a Hobie hull.
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I believe these are made by a company call KingsKraft from Australia http://www.kingskraft.com.au
As i understand it Black Point is the distributor, not the manufacturer. I have no personal experience with either company.
one of our sales reps mentioned seeing these up at the seattle boat show and mentioned them in passing to me last week.
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They were on display at the Seattle Boat Show. The retail on this is $2200 and comes with a cart and a cooler. It looks like a Native/Hobie Cross right off of Alibaba. I talked to the folks selling them and they are "designed" in Australia but shipping out of China. I took a bunch of photos - including the drive which has the same locking teeth that Hobie has (just in reverse). Propulsion is a propeller. I played around with it with a buddy and it was tough getting the pedals to turn with one of us holding it.
Steering control is on one side and is a lever you slide forward or back for turning. The rudder is hollow plastic but lifts up underneath. The front hatch has a neoprene looking bag. Fish bag? Looked sloppy. The rod tubes were placed in odd positions around the kayak. If you go on their Instagram page you can see a demo of it being pedaled.
Looking at it wasn't enough to get me excited to take it for a demo. I'd be concerned if something went wrong where to take it. This dealer brought in a few to test the market.
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Thanks for the info Tanner and Brad. Do either of you know if the drive is compatible with Hobie? It'd be nice to have reverse for less that $800 for a drive or $2000 for a new boat. ;)
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It appears to be the same as the Kings Kraft 3.9 (13) Angler.
There are some YouTube vids out there to oogle at.
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Thanks for the info Tanner and Brad. Do either of you know if the drive is compatible with Hobie? It'd be nice to have reverse for less that $800 for a drive or $2000 for a new boat. ;)
The drive should fit a MirageDrive but comes with it's on propellor driven drive. Honestly, if reverse is a must try a Native or Predator PDL. I don't think I'd throw $2200 at this.
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Thanks for the info Tanner and Brad. Do either of you know if the drive is compatible with Hobie? It'd be nice to have reverse for less that $800 for a drive or $2000 for a new boat. ;)
The drive should fit a MirageDrive but comes with it's on propellor driven drive. Honestly, if reverse is a must try a Native or Predator PDL. I don't think I'd throw $2200 at this.
I get the vibe that he's looking at the idea of getting his hands on the drive system only to slap put it in his Hobie to get some reverse action. :dontknow:
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Thanks for the info Tanner and Brad. Do either of you know if the drive is compatible with Hobie? It'd be nice to have reverse for less that $800 for a drive or $2000 for a new boat. ;)
The drive should fit a MirageDrive but comes with it's on propellor driven drive. Honestly, if reverse is a must try a Native or Predator PDL. I don't think I'd throw $2200 at this.
I get the vibe that he's looking at the idea of getting his hands on the drive system only to slap put it in his Hobie to get some reverse action. :dontknow:
Yerp!
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As far as I've seen the drive isn't sold separately. Not sure it would be a worthy investment if it was but I haven't seen it in person.
Stay tuned from Riot Kayaks, they have a prop drive unit that's coming out in the next year that they're going to sell for their boats, as well as individually to fit other manufacturer s. Saw the prototype last year but not sure what their timeline is, but from what I was told it should be quite a bit under the m 180 price point.
If it were me I would hold off until a decent priced 180 drive came up used, wouldn't put a Honda 4cyl in my Camero
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As far as I've seen the drive isn't sold separately. Not sure it would be a worthy investment if it was but I haven't seen it in person.
Stay tuned from Riot Kayaks, they have a prop drive unit that's coming out in the next year that they're going to sell for their boats, as well as individually to fit other manufacturer s. Saw the prototype last year but not sure what their timeline is, but from what I was told it should be quite a bit under the m 180 price point.
If it were me I would hold off until a decent priced 180 drive came up used, wouldn't put a Honda 4cyl in my Camero
Awesome. Thanks for the info.
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Here's some better pictures... And if you wanted 10+ of them they may give you a deal! ;D
https://goldkayak.en.alibaba.com/product/60637355935-215577320/HOT_Selling_Pedal_drive_kayak_with_propeller_have_patent_in_all_of_the_world_new_model.html?spm=a2700.8304367.prewdfa4cf.32.5c87f8ffiTWh2h
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Thanks Matt. Wonder if there’s an option to have the prop under the yak? ;D
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Perhaps that was the airboat version? I'm sure for a small fee they can flip it over for you :banjo:
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wouldn't put a Honda 4cyl in my Camero
Maybe not but you would ya put a Honda 2cycle in your Hobie? >:D
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At least their drive unit floats. You gotta give them props for that (no pun intended). At $950/ unit if you had 9 other curious friends and disposable income, it would be tempting. I am really curious about the drive. They say they sell it separately. The plastic is HDPE which is expensive and far better than a lot of the lower end kayaks you find in some "sporting goods' stores.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my Hobies and I absolutely love the Mirage Drive, but they have gone insane price wise the last few years. I paid $1799 6 years ago for my first Outback. I love the new seat, but the new Outback is way heavier for a slightly more comfortable seat. When I first looked at buying a mirage drive separately for a wooden kayak I built, if I remember right, I could get one at Next Adventure for $395. Granted that was pre-Paddle Shop and about 9 years ago. But, the parts are mostly injection molded and do not cost that much to produce. It should not yet have doubled in price. Sh#@, the Federal Minimum Wage is just slightly over double of what it was in 1981. Rant ended.
*edit: Rant continues. If you haven't done so already, take a look at where that Hobie seat is manufactured. Mine says China. That may be why the ones for this yak look very similar and why mine (2017) is falling apart. ::)
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I'm super tempted by the prospect of adding a instant reverse type drive to my outback. I love the mirage drive motion and the mixture of speed and torque (if you want to call it that) but I definitely think they're overpriced and there's no chance in hell I am paying $800 or whatever the 180 drive costs just to get reverse.
The riot kayaks drive was announced last year and looked interesting and somewhat well made from the video I saw. https://www.rapidmedia.com/adventurekayak/categories/boats/8743-riot-kayaks-pedal-drive
I'd probably purchase one of these off brand chinese PDL drives though if it could be had for cheap. I certainly wouldn't trust it on the ocean or the columbia, but while bass fishing on the lakes or willamette I'd have no problem with it.
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The 180 reverse is nice but it's not a must have in my opinion. I still find myself grabbing my half a paddle to back up. Some folks pop the drive and flip it in the drive allowing for reverse.