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Kayak Fishing => Events => Topic started by: Drifter2007 on July 28, 2017, 06:42:56 AM
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Does anyone know what the date will be for 2018? I had such a great time this year. Part of the fun was for my wife who got to watch the entire thing from our room at the Worldmark with a spotting scope on the balcony. I want to reserve our room for next year.
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I am sure that it will either be the 7th or 14th of July, just would like to know which. Thank you!
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Planning for ORC usually doesn't get started in any real earnest until January.
That said, the 14th is probably a better bet than the 7th. Whatever you do make sure you'd be able to change reservations without cost if the date was different than you assumed.
Glad you had a good time!
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The 7th is probably too close to the 4th of July. In fact, I'm not sure which weekend will be "4th of July Weekend" in 2018. This year was an exception, but generally the ORC is on the same weekend as the Oregon Country Fair. In 2018, the OCF will be the weekend of the 14th.
I'll check with the other current ORC committee members to see if there is any reason the 14th wouldn't work, but I'm very much inclined to believe it will be the 14th next year.
Brian
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Thank you so much! We will go ahead and reserve a room, I will even come over a few days early.
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The 14th works for me.
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Sounds great...FYI.... I noticed Chinook Bend Campground is for sale.
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Sounds great...FYI.... I noticed Chinook Bend Campground is for sale.
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Hmmm. I guess we'll have to see what happens there.
There's another campground a bit west of Chinook Bend on the Siletz Hwy. Anyone have experience with those folks? Might be good to gather intel on an alternate or two just in case the new owners are less accommodating of our group.
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Sounds great...FYI.... I noticed Chinook Bend Campground is for sale.
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I wonder what they're asking??? We could get a NWKA group buy going ensuring a kayak friendly camp for many ORC's to come!
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Sounds great...FYI.... I noticed Chinook Bend Campground is for sale.
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I wonder what they're asking??? We could get a NWKA group buy going ensuring a kayak friendly camp for many ORC's to come!
2 Million!...If you happen to have that...let's be friends!
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Sounds great...FYI.... I noticed Chinook Bend Campground is for sale.
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I wonder what they're asking??? We could get a NWKA group buy going ensuring a kayak friendly camp for many ORC's to come!
2 Million!...If you happen to have that...let's be friends!
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Pesos? [emoji23]
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Sounds great...FYI.... I noticed Chinook Bend Campground is for sale.
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I wonder what they're asking??? We could get a NWKA group buy going ensuring a kayak friendly camp for many ORC's to come!
2 Million!...If you happen to have that...let's be friends!
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Pesos? [emoji23]
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If either of you have that much in either Pesos or USD then we need to be friends ;D
$2 million may be a bit rich for my blood.
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Regardless of the price, when it does sell we need to send our best NWKA/ORC representative(s) down there with cookies and motivating speech to convince them that they really really want to support our ORC event like the current owners have over the years.
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The other campground to the west is Coyote Rock. I stayed there last fall. Not much for space really. Mostly seems like a live in trailer park, with a boat ramp.
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The other campground to the west is Coyote Rock. I stayed there last fall. Not much for space really. Mostly seems like a live in trailer park, with a boat ramp.
Anyone local or that has stayed in the area enough to know what is available have any suggestions for alternative locations in case new owners aren't amenable to our little gathering?
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coastal chief where did u notice that chinook bend is for sale? there has been on/off talk about it for year`s but curious where u noticed that it was for sale?
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sumpnz, that will never happen even if it did get new owners, orc event is like money in the bank to present owner and or future owner. they will always be "amenable"
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sumpnz, that will never happen even if it did get new owners, orc event is like money in the bank to present owner and or future owner. they will always be "amenable"
That assumes the potential new owners want to keep Chinook Bend open as a campground similarly to how it is now. If that is the case, then yeah, of course we'd be fine to be able to keep using it as our base of operations for ORC. However, if they decide instead to go to a truly private, members only campground, like Thousand Trails where you have to be a member or guest of a member, that could exclude us. Or if they decided to turn the property into something other than a campground we'd be out of luck.
There is no way of knowing who will buy the campground (if it even sells at all) until the sale has closed. So there's no way of knowing how it will impact us. I'd hope the campground would be bought by someone that wants to maintain it as a campground open to the public, but there is risk that won't happen. Not saying I want us to shift away from Chinook Bend, but having a backup identified would be prudent.
They've gotten pretty expensive for a simple camping spot, but the location is good and they have the facilities to make the ORC work well. It will likely be hard to find an alternate that is as desirable, or even as functional.
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There are a lot of RV parks in the area. On either side of Chinook Bend are Coyote Rock and Sunset Landing for example. There's even a small RV park at Fogarty Creek. As we are a large group, it would be good to figure this out sooner than later.
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I've heard that Chinook Bend is expecting upwards of 5k campers for the eclipse. They are probably just trolling hoping someone that shows up falls in love with the place and has deep pockets. The "marina" under the bridge was for sale for years.
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I've heard that Chinook Bend is expecting upwards of 5k campers for the eclipse. They are probably just trolling hoping someone that shows up falls in love with the place and has deep pockets. The "marina" under the bridge was for sale for years.
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Even at just the $30/night I got charged for ORC that's $150k for one night. Granted they'll probably spend half that keeping the toilets working, but still, that's a crap ton of people (yes, that was intentional). They better hope it's not too overcast, unless is a pay up front when you reserve and no refunds kind of deal.
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coastal chief where did u notice that chinook bend is for sale? there has been on/off talk about it for year`s but curious where u noticed that it was for sale?
I saw the listing in rv park store.com. It was a full listing. I found it a few days after the ORC. I just hopped on the site so see it again, and see that it has been removed. I'm wondering if Lingbanger was right. They may have been trolling for a buyer.
I happen to take this screenshot when I saw it and sent it to my wife telling her I could transition from Fire Chief to RV guy...of course she told me I had to keep my day job.
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Hmmmm...Beverley Beach has 3 group campsites next to each other. We could just get one or two and and host the event at it and have space for tent campers. Everyone else just reserve their own site if they have RVs. I bet it is cheaper. I was shocked at Chinook Bend's price this year. The first year I did the ORC it was $19/ night for a tent.
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Just checked. 25 people per group site for $78 per night. We could get 75 people in three group sites however, 6 cars per site is the limit. It may be better to get two group sites next to each other for the event, or the meeting hall.
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Well I certainly did not intend to create any issues regarding potential loss of Chinook Bend, due to possibly being on market. BUT.... my two cents..ORC was my first time camping at CB and will be my last. The people at CB were great, but we felt very cramped in the tiny spots. It felt quite distant from Depoe Bay. Cost for the site I had seemed reasonable for summertime coast standards. But I thought the park itself was standard "coast" (you can draw your own conclusions).
Regardless of where the event is held, I'm hooked and will always be back. If there is any desire for change, being a local I will assist in any was possible when called upon.
By the way....when you were all roasting in the Valley...we were a balmy 82...And I am sad to report ...today up on the Cape I could smell the warm hagfish!
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Just checked. 25 people per group site for $78 per night. We could get 75 people in three group sites however, 6 cars per site is the limit. It may be better to get two group sites next to each other for the event, or the meeting hall.
Can you pay extra for more cars? It's only basically $3/person for the camping, so I'd happily pay even $10 for excess vehicle fees.
If not, it would take some extra coordination but if we could set up a place for parking extra cars and have anyone with a minivan or something shuttle folks. Very far from ideal, but better than nothing.
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Just checked. 25 people per group site for $78 per night. We could get 75 people in three group sites however, 6 cars per site is the limit. It may be better to get two group sites next to each other for the event, or the meeting hall.
Can you pay extra for more cars? It's only basically $3/person for the camping, so I'd happily pay even $10 for excess vehicle fees.
If not, it would take some extra coordination but if we could set up a place for parking extra cars and have anyone with a minivan or something shuttle folks. Very far from ideal, but better than nothing.
I do not know the answer. I may ask. There is overflow parking at the campground. I can get 5 people and 5 yaks in my van. I probably won't fish next year since I think Brian should get out there with his son. Therefore, I will not need a kayak the day of the tournament. Maybe we should make it a team event where carpooling with a four man team is required. ;) Just kidding! Put away the pitchforks. You know who you are. :)
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Is the 14th pretty much official then? Need to put in for time off.
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I can go in 2018!
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We are still not 100% sure on the 14th.
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We could pitch in and buy this to keep people from fishing in the channel next year? :o
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/spo/d/black-powder-cannon/6426951139.html (https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/spo/d/black-powder-cannon/6426951139.html)
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Does anyone know what the date will be for 2018? I had such a great time this year. Part of the fun was for my wife who got to watch the entire thing from our room at the Worldmark with a spotting scope on the balcony. I want to reserve our room for next year.
We are still trying to decide that. It will most likely be either the 7th or the 14th. We may be meeting Monday and if everyone is available, hopefully we can finalize it.
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I would like to go this year. As soon as it is hammered out I'll make preparations.
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I would like to go this year. As soon as it is hammered out I'll make preparations.
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:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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Something something donkey kong.
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Nice!!! Glad we have a date to plan for!
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Yay....
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Right on, looking forward to it!
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I need to go this year. It's been too long.
-Allen
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I need to go this year. It's been too long.
-Allen
It will be good to have you back. Now if only you would post some recipes of some of the food I have seen on your other outlet. ;) You are a tease.
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Oof! Now I have to decide between two different annual events, one for each of my favorite pasttimes...
An NRA Regional Pistol 2700 competition (at least it's not the State championship) or the ORC 2018?
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Looks like I will be able to go this year again :)
I get back from our vacation from the Philippines on the 5th. Just enough time to pack my stuff and head south.
Is anyone going to start a sticky thread where the rules and such will be posted??
Looking forward to seeing everyone. (except for Jeff....know one likes Jeff lol)
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Was hoping it was going to be the 14th. Weekend of the 4th we may still be in Cali visiting family. Not sure I'll be able to make it. First one I've missed in a long time. :-\
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Looks like I'm finally going to make it to an ORC. :banjo:
I got my reservations made and looks like I'll be in site 23.
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Looking forward to seeing everyone. (except for Jeff....know one likes Jeff lol)
Totally agree. That guy outfishes me every time we go out!
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Haters gon hate ;D
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I need to go this year. It's been too long.
-Allen
Who are you again? It has been too long. Would be nice to see you again.
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Hi All,
I saw the possibility to 2 dates - July 7th or 14th. I have heard it has been determined to on the 7th, but don't see it (did I completely over look it?) posted in this thread.
Planning on joining you again!
Brandi
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Hi All,
I saw the possibility to 2 dates - July 7th or 14th. I have heard it has been determined to on the 7th, but don't see it (did I completely over look it?) posted in this thread.
Planning on joining you again!
Brandi
Hi Brandi,
Yes the 7th is the day!! Looking forward to losing to you again! ;D
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Hi All,
I saw the possibility to 2 dates - July 7th or 14th. I have heard it has been determined to on the 7th, but don't see it (did I completely over look it?) posted in this thread.
Planning on joining you again!
Brandi
Good point!
I don't see "Craig's" post with the final decision either.
Did it get removed for some reason? :icon_scratch:
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I'm hoping it gets changed to the 14th. Won't be able to make the 7th. I would have appreciated a poll for the date preference.
Is there a link to the sign up & rules page?
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The brother in law is getting married on the 7th. Total bummer. What’s his problem having a wedding the day of ORC? 😉
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The brother in law is getting married on the 7th. Total bummer. What’s his problem having a wedding the day of ORC? 😉
Just because he's getting married doesn't mean you have to be there... >:D
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It's getting unlikely I'll make it this year. I'll know more by a month ahead, but might be good to have an alternate that can run the taco feed lined up in case I don't make it this year.
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The brother in law is getting married on the 7th. Total bummer. What’s his problem having a wedding the day of ORC? 😉
Just make a quick Skype appearance at the wedding. He'll understand ;D.
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The brother in law is getting married on the 7th. Total bummer. What’s his problem having a wedding the day of ORC? 😉
Is it too late to make him an "Ex Brother in law?" Only kidding of course!!! Big bummer having to miss it. Hopefully you can at least make the Sunset bay AOTD?
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Hi All,
I saw the possibility to 2 dates - July 7th or 14th. I have heard it has been determined to on the 7th, but don't see it (did I completely over look it?) posted in this thread.
Planning on joining you again!
Brandi
Hi Brandi,
Yes the 7th is the day!! Looking forward to losing to you again! ;D
Thanks for confirming the date Matt. On the calendar!! Crash and I will be there - and we will do our best to fish like we did last year ;D
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The brother in law is getting married on the 7th. Total bummer. What’s his problem having a wedding the day of ORC? 😉
Is it too late to make him an "Ex Brother in law?" Only kidding of course!!! Big bummer having to miss it. Hopefully you can at least make the Sunset bay AOTD?
You’re totally right, he should get the ax for this. Still get to go to the wave riding contest (AODY)!
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There's plenty of room at the campground. I'm sure they wouldn't mind moving the wedding for you. :)
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Are we going to get an official post up for the event? or is it too early?
I'm getting the serious salt itch right now.
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The date is up, but the planners all have been busy with all that life entails.
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The date is up, but the planners all have been busy with all that life entails.
ok cool. I was getting worried.
I get the whole "life" thing. I'll be anxiously waiting for the official announcement with the prizes n' stuff!!
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The date is up, but the planners all have been busy with all that life entails.
Come on man. Earn your keep!
It’s lookig more and more likely that I’ll be there this year!
-Allen
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Is registration live yet?
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Also, what's this date that's been mentioned? I did a quick look but didn't see. I'm occasionally rather obtuse; did I miss it?
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Also, what's this date that's been mentioned? I did a quick look but didn't see. I'm occasionally rather obtuse; did I miss it?
Facebook page says July 7th 2018.
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Also, what's this date that's been mentioned? I did a quick look but didn't see. I'm occasionally rather obtuse; did I miss it?
Facebook page says July 7th 2018.
The ORC is an NWKA event, not a Facebook event.
All details should be posted on NWKA first and foremost, and trickle to other media outlets second.
The set date was posted in this thread at one point, and later disappeared.
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Either way I won't make it this year. 😥
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Also, what's this date that's been mentioned? I did a quick look but didn't see. I'm occasionally rather obtuse; did I miss it?
Facebook page says July 7th 2018.
The ORC is an NWKA event, not a Facebook event.
All details should be posted on NWKA first and foremost, and trickle to other media outlets second.
The set date was posted in this thread at one point, and later disappeared.
NWKA and ORC both have facebook pages. Are you saying that the right people are not in control of those pages? I was operating under the belief that facebook announcements made on the ORC facebook page by the ORC page itself were legitimate.
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Also, what's this date that's been mentioned? I did a quick look but didn't see. I'm occasionally rather obtuse; did I miss it?
Facebook page says July 7th 2018.
The ORC is an NWKA event, not a Facebook event.
All details should be posted on NWKA first and foremost, and trickle to other media outlets second.
The set date was posted in this thread at one point, and later disappeared.
NWKA and ORC both have facebook pages. Are you saying that the right people are not in control of those pages? I was operating under the belief that facebook announcements made on the ORC facebook page by the ORC page itself were legitimate.
They may very well be legit announcements on Facebook. Does no good for those that choose not to get sucked into FaceSnapInstaTwit.
At the least NWKA events should start at the forum site and branch out from there.
And no, joining Facebook just to find event details for NWKA is not the fix.
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Also, what's this date that's been mentioned? I did a quick look but didn't see. I'm occasionally rather obtuse; did I miss it?
Facebook page says July 7th 2018.
The ORC is an NWKA event, not a Facebook event.
All details should be posted on NWKA first and foremost, and trickle to other media outlets second.
The set date was posted in this thread at one point, and later disappeared.
NWKA and ORC both have facebook pages. Are you saying that the right people are not in control of those pages? I was operating under the belief that facebook announcements made on the ORC facebook page by the ORC page itself were legitimate.
They may very well be legit announcements on Facebook. Does no good for those that choose not to get sucked into FaceSnapInstaTwit.
At the least NWKA events should start at the forum site and branch out from there.
And no, joining Facebook just to find event details for NWKA is not the fix.
Gotcha. NWKA forum > other types of social media forums that you don't use and you get to dictate the terms of dissemination of this information.
All I want to know is if registration is live yet. I don't care how I find out. You could even put it in an envelope with a stamp on it and send it to my house via the postal service.
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Also, what's this date that's been mentioned? I did a quick look but didn't see. I'm occasionally rather obtuse; did I miss it?
Facebook page says July 7th 2018.
The ORC is an NWKA event, not a Facebook event.
All details should be posted on NWKA first and foremost, and trickle to other media outlets second.
The set date was posted in this thread at one point, and later disappeared.
NWKA and ORC both have facebook pages. Are you saying that the right people are not in control of those pages? I was operating under the belief that facebook announcements made on the ORC facebook page by the ORC page itself were legitimate.
They may very well be legit announcements on Facebook. Does no good for those that choose not to get sucked into FaceSnapInstaTwit.
At the least NWKA events should start at the forum site and branch out from there.
And no, joining Facebook just to find event details for NWKA is not the fix.
Gotcha. NWKA forum > other types of social media forums that you don't use and you get to dictate the terms of dissemination of this information.
All I want to know is if registration is live yet. I don't care how I find out. You could even put it in an envelope with a stamp on it and send it to my house via the postal service.
They could have the registration open already at some lemonade stand on a street that you don't use, or have it at NWKA forum? Whatever makes the most sense.
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Weird... I thought I had posted the date of July 7th on here, but now am not seeing it. I did see a post where I quoted someone but the response seems to be missing. I wonder if I started and then had to break up a fight between my two boys. Sorry.
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Also, registration is not yet live.
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Also, registration is not yet live.
WHY NOT?????!!!! I DEMAND REGISTRATION NOW!!!!
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Also, registration is not yet live.
WHY NOT?????!!!! I DEMAND REGISTRATION NOW!!!!
;D ;D ;D
Clown.
Nobody is demanding anything. The subject of ORC registration came up at a tournament last weekend and I asked a simple question. In rather predictable fashion, that question led to a bunch of other unrelated things, and then it was finally answered by someone who knew the answer. Not that I was expecting, let alone demanding, an answer, this just seemed like a good place to pose the question.
Perhaps I should just go post an open hookup for Hobuck this weekend and get on with it.
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Also, registration is not yet live.
WHY NOT?????!!!! I DEMAND REGISTRATION NOW!!!!
;D ;D ;D
Clown.
Nobody is demanding anything. The subject of ORC registration came up at a tournament last weekend and I asked a simple question. In rather predictable fashion, that question led to a bunch of other unrelated things, and then it was finally answered by someone who knew the answer. Not that I was expecting, let alone demanding, an answer, this just seemed like a good place to pose the question.
Perhaps I should just go post an open hookup for Hobuck this weekend and get on with it.
Relax, my comment wasn’t directed at you, I didn’t actually read your earlier post until just now. I was just giving Craig shit. The comment was directed at years past when people would flip out about everything related to ORC registration.
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Since ORC is still in the planning phase, can I make a suggestion for this years rules?
No?
Tough titties, I'm going to suggest it anyways. ;)
Being that this has always been called the Oregon Rockfish Classic, and the very first one was indeed won with a rockfish, would it be unreasonable to change the winning fish to only include a rockfish? Not a Lingcod, not a Cabby?
There are several sides to my reasoning for this idea.
1. We have a limited quantity of Lings and Cabs (based solely on ODFW and how they manage our limits), yet we have a bit more of an abundance of rockfish available.
2. When I caught a 31" Cab last week last week at Depoe, I was happy to let this beast go live another day.
With that I wouldn't feel right harvesting such an impressively old fish just for the chance to win an event like ORC.
So with everyone registered on ORC game day out hunting a fish to win the ORC with, naturally they gravitate to Lings and Cabs to pull this task off. A lot of big Lings and Cabs get removed from the drink in that one day.
3. Big rockfish are out there, but not really targeted nor have won the ORC since Marks big Verm.
This is just a thought for this or any future ORC's if anyone is interested. Or we could change the name to Oregon Bottomfish Classic, or OBC.
Back to the originally scheduled bickering. 8)
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Did you get an approx weight on the 31” cabby? That’s gotta be mid 20s I’d think. That’s awesome.
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I liked the multi-species format of last year's ORC. It required more strategy and planning than a single-species tournament. Anyone can get lucky and snag a big ole ling or cab if they drag a big bait around long enough, but to pick up quality fish in each category takes effort.
Keeping an old cabezon or lingcod boils down to personal choice. With regards to impacts on populations, I don't see the ORC being much different from a nice day where the charter boats run back-to-back morning and afternoon trips.
As for the rockfish-only proposal: my sample size is small and I don't specifically target them very much, but I haven't seen much species variety out of Depoe Bay the last two years I've fished it. Most of the reefs max out at about the 60 foot contour. I've caught a couple chinas and blues straight out front, but other than that, it's basically Black City out there. The variety is much better further north on Government Point and other deep reefs. A five-pound black could win it.
Even if the rockfish format was implemented, would that deter most tourney participants from harvesting big lings and cabezon? I don't think it would, at least not from what I've seen.
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From my experience, charter boats don't waste time targeting ling's and cabs due to the amount of snags and lost lures that would tie up their deck hands. They get paying customers on schools of suspended fish to make quick limits.
I would guesstimate that 90% of charter catches are just rockfish, where ling's and cabs would be bycatch or by seasoned fisherman that know how to bounce a jig off bottom and pick up a long/cab or two without snagging up and losing jigs.
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There are 4lbs China Rockfish there. Big quillbacks too. Would probably give to expand the boundaries of the tournament area to open up the deeper reefs. A rainbow stringer of rockfish tournament would be fun.
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Did you get an approx weight on the 31” cabby? That’s gotta be mid 20s I’d think. That’s awesome.
I didn't get a weight on it, but my semi calibrated arm would say easy 21-22 lbs. I've caught two 27"@ 17lbs, and one 29.5"@ 19.5 lbs. This 31" beast easily smoked that last one.
I will forever refer to this piggy as "One Eyed Willy". The left eye was gone, and looked as though it had been gone for more than 20 years. The right eye had bad cataracts.
Measured real quick and let go to live another day.
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Scrolling through their reports, Tradewinds does some work on the bottomfishes. Some days they do quite well on the lings.
https://www.tradewindscharters.com/fishing-report/
If the goal of switching up the format is to relieve pressure on lingcod and cabezon, perhaps a poll of ORC participants would be helpful. Ask them if they'd harvest any lingcod over 30 inches or cabezon over 20 inches that were caught on tourney day. If the vast majority said "no", then I think the rockfish proposal has merit. If not, then changing to a rockfish-only format wouldn't accomplish anything.
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There are 4lbs China Rockfish there. Big quillbacks too. Would probably give to expand the boundaries of the tournament area to open up the deeper reefs. A rainbow stringer of rockfish tournament would be fun.
Ugh, I'd feel pretty bad harvesting a 50+ year old china rockfish :-\.
The nearest deep reefs would be the northern portion of Government Point, which is more than a few miles from Depoe. Maybe not an issue on a super-nice day, but if it's rough at all, that'll be a looong trip back to port with the NWers on your back.
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I believe this is incorrect.
"We have a limited quantity of Lings and Cabs (based solely on ODFW and how they manage our limits), yet we have a bit more of an abundance of rockfish available."
They shut down the bottomfish season last year due to the low numbers of rockfish (ODFW September 2017 News Release). After reading more into the subject they actually said that the Ling and Cabezon population was better and improving. They shut down lingcod fishing last year because they feared it would produce a large bycatch of rockfish. The rockfish quota has been steadily decreasing over the years (2017 was 10% less than 2015) and they are decreasing limits as well.
I honestly think it would be better to have the format exclude black rockfish. I may be a bit biased though as i dont like the wormy meat that comes with rockfish. And taking a large ling or cabezon has not bothered me too much in the past as I think my outlook is different. Lingcod taste better at the fish fry ;D. I would like to see crab added to the list but would fear of the safety issues with that many people dropping traps.
Here is another quote from a news article from last year
"Federal managers lowered the harvest quota of the most popular target, black rockfish, by 10 percent this year after federal stock assessments showed the need for some protection.
Oregon managers believe the species is healthier than believed and are conducting research to improve the accuracy of future assessments."
"Even though just the rockfish quota is filled, the recreational fishing ban was enacted to protect against incidental catch and catch and release mortality."
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There are 4lbs China Rockfish there. Big quillbacks too. Would probably give to expand the boundaries of the tournament area to open up the deeper reefs. A rainbow stringer of rockfish tournament would be fun.
Ugh, I'd feel pretty bad harvesting a 50+ year old china rockfish :-\.
The nearest deep reefs would be the northern portion of Government Point, which is more than a few miles from Depoe. Maybe not an issue on a super-nice day, but if it's rough at all, that'll be a looong trip back to port with the NWers on your back.
It doesn't have to be a kill tournament. It always has been, but with the concerns voiced this morning perhaps it's time to change the format to allow CPR.
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Even if it moved to CPR unless the "R" Portion was enforced I am certain folks would still harvest fish. Many of us don't get that many oceans days and I personally like to harvest fish as allowed to feed my family and friends.
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Even if it moved to CPR unless the "R" Portion was enforced I am certain folks would still harvest fish. Many of us don't get that many oceans days and I personally like to harvest fish as allowed to feed my family and friends.
I didn't mean mandatory release. It would just be nice to have the option and still be able to score fish. It is currently a mandatory kill.
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Even if it moved to CPR unless the "R" Portion was enforced I am certain folks would still harvest fish. Many of us don't get that many oceans days and I personally like to harvest fish as allowed to feed my family and friends.
I didn't mean mandatory release. It would just be nice to have the option and still be able to score fish. It is currently a mandatory kill.
I'd be down for CPR. I would imagine length would be the unit of measure via kayak, as taking a picture of the weight and fish on a less than stable platform would quite the endeavor for many. If there was a way for support boats to be available to take weight measurements, that would be helpful.
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I believe this is incorrect.
"We have a limited quantity of Lings and Cabs (based solely on ODFW and how they manage our limits), yet we have a bit more of an abundance of rockfish available."
They shut down the bottomfish season last year due to the low numbers of rockfish (ODFW September 2017 News Release). After reading more into the subject they actually said that the Ling and Cabezon population was better and improving. They shut down lingcod fishing last year because they feared it would produce a large bycatch of rockfish. The rockfish quota has been steadily decreasing over the years (2017 was 10% less than 2015) and they are decreasing limits as well.
I honestly think it would be better to have the format exclude black rockfish. I may be a bit biased though as i dont like the wormy meat that comes with rockfish. And taking a large ling or cabezon has not bothered me too much in the past as I think my outlook is different. Lingcod taste better at the fish fry ;D. I would like to see crab added to the list but would fear of the safety issues with that many people dropping traps.
Here is another quote from a news article from last year
"Federal managers lowered the harvest quota of the most popular target, black rockfish, by 10 percent this year after federal stock assessments showed the need for some protection.
Oregon managers believe the species is healthier than believed and are conducting research to improve the accuracy of future assessments."
"Even though just the rockfish quota is filled, the recreational fishing ban was enacted to protect against incidental catch and catch and release mortality."
Zach, my point with ODFW is being that we have only ever been allowed two ling's, and one cab (and cabs have a delayed season). I have no idea how they came to this determination.
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Even if it moved to CPR unless the "R" Portion was enforced I am certain folks would still harvest fish. Many of us don't get that many oceans days and I personally like to harvest fish as allowed to feed my family and friends.
Yup. Take the Gimme Shelter event in Northern California for example. A few years ago, the tournament director removed rockfish from the event so as to relieve fishing pressure on them. A noble gesture, but was it effective in reducing rockfish harvest? Judging from the dozens of photos from this year's event and past years, I'm not so sure.
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=82336.0
CnR bonuses are cool, and I try to utilize them when they're an option, but I'm doubtful of their effectiveness in reducing harvest in these types of tournaments. Best-case scenario is we may "save" a handful of fish up to the low 30-inch range, and that'd be on a flat ocean AND assuming everyone carries a measuring board with them. Anything bigger would be a PITA for a clear measurement and photograph, and because of that would likely be harvested. I can't imagine attempting to get a measurement and clear photo of a lively 40+ inch lingcod in my lap :o.
Given that these potential changes we're discussing may only affect a handful of fish on one given day, these proposed changes sound more sentimental than anything. Those few fish that are released could be harvested the very next day, or the day after that. Catch em before they spawn next winter, and the CnR bonus wouldn't make a lick of difference.
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Given that these potential changes we're discussing may only affect a handful of fish on one given day, these proposed changes sound more sentimental than anything. Those few fish that are released could be harvested the very next day, or the day after that. Catch em before they spawn next winter, and the CnR bonus wouldn't make a lick of difference.
I am all for CPR and mostly because I primarily bass fish. In my ~28 years of bass fishing and many thousands of fish I have caught, I can count on one hand the bass I've kept and that's primarily due to major bleeding or a fish that couldn't be revived for one reason or another. Also it's fun enough trying to keep a 15" bass on a board for a measurement on a calm lake day, good luck with a massive ling that's alive. The only way I would even try is if I already had my limit (a Cabezon taken for instance) and caught another trying to catch a ling.
It's actually pretty funny because at ORC last year I only took 1 ling, 1 cabezon, and 2 Rockfish, as I tossed back any smaller than what I already had and didn't want to fill the limit. On a typical ocean day I would likely catch the limit and head in for the day. I know several others I fished around too had a similar strategy and outcome.
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Even if it moved to CPR unless the "R" Portion was enforced I am certain folks would still harvest fish. Many of us don't get that many oceans days and I personally like to harvest fish as allowed to feed my family and friends.
I didn't mean mandatory release. It would just be nice to have the option and still be able to score fish. It is currently a mandatory kill.
I would keep my fish as i like to harvest them. However, i do like the idea of the possibility to release the fish. We would have to change the entire format of the tournament though from weight to length and point system. I like the weight as it is impossible to argue the winner. With length it is easy to argue that certain fish should be worth certain points
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Clayman, you are probably right and I may be taking too much of a sentimental approach with these bigger fish, especially cabbies. After harvesting several very large cabbies over the years and now my more recent monster one, I just don't feel it in me to harvest them that big, let alone for a tourney.
With lings it's a bit different, for one I've only ever caught one longer than 35", and it stole my lip gripper. I realize lings grow fast for their size they seem to be decent breeders, and produce a nice weight to filet ratio (unlike cabbies).
I can only imagine trying to CPR a 40" ling, it's hard enough to CPR a 35".
It's a no win, no lose situation I guess regarding ORC. It is fun to just stir the pot some times with random ideas and get the juices flowing, discussion shared and generally get focused on filling the freezer with sea kittens.
Here's a few more ideas to run a muck in your mind today.
ORC winning weight to be an absolute random number generated right there at the awards. Everyone submits the fish of their choice. The weight, length and time is recorded at the weigh in station into a spreadsheet. When the winning weight number is randomly generated (to whatever decimal point makes sense), this number is compared to the list of fish entered, and the fish closest without going over it wins first place. If there is a tie, the length is the tie breaker. If the length is the same, then the time entered breaks it. Not sure how remaining places would be figured, haven't thought that far ahead.
Ever thought of bobber fishing for lings? Picture an A0 buoy on a make shift bobber stop, with drop shot suspended live greenling anywhere from just off bottom, to mid water column. The A0 would certainly keep the greenling suspended and from diving into the rocks to hide, but would be crazy to see the A0 dunk as a big ling attacks it! Bobber down!
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I believe this is incorrect.
"We have a limited quantity of Lings and Cabs (based solely on ODFW and how they manage our limits), yet we have a bit more of an abundance of rockfish available."
They shut down the bottomfish season last year due to the low numbers of rockfish (ODFW September 2017 News Release). After reading more into the subject they actually said that the Ling and Cabezon population was better and improving. They shut down lingcod fishing last year because they feared it would produce a large bycatch of rockfish. The rockfish quota has been steadily decreasing over the years (2017 was 10% less than 2015) and they are decreasing limits as well.
I honestly think it would be better to have the format exclude black rockfish. I may be a bit biased though as i dont like the wormy meat that comes with rockfish. And taking a large ling or cabezon has not bothered me too much in the past as I think my outlook is different. Lingcod taste better at the fish fry ;D. I would like to see crab added to the list but would fear of the safety issues with that many people dropping traps.
Here is another quote from a news article from last year
"Federal managers lowered the harvest quota of the most popular target, black rockfish, by 10 percent this year after federal stock assessments showed the need for some protection.
Oregon managers believe the species is healthier than believed and are conducting research to improve the accuracy of future assessments."
"Even though just the rockfish quota is filled, the recreational fishing ban was enacted to protect against incidental catch and catch and release mortality."
Zach, my point with ODFW is being that we have only ever been allowed two ling's, and one cab (and cabs have a delayed season). I have no idea how they came to this determination.
Gotcha! I am sure that the ling quota is smaller and that is why but the rockfish quota filled first.
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ORC winning weight to be an absolute random number generated right there at the awards. Everyone submits the fish of their choice. The weight, length and time is recorded at the weigh in station into a spreadsheet. When the winning weight number is randomly generated (to whatever decimal point makes sense), this number is compared to the list of fish entered, and the fish closest without going over it wins first place. If there is a tie, the length is the tie breaker. If the length is the same, then the time entered breaks it. Not sure how remaining places would be figured, haven't thought that far ahead.
Love this for a side pot idea. Or ~20% of winnings
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ORC winning weight to be an absolute random number generated right there at the awards. Everyone submits the fish of their choice. The weight, length and time is recorded at the weigh in station into a spreadsheet. When the winning weight number is randomly generated (to whatever decimal point makes sense), this number is compared to the list of fish entered, and the fish closest without going over it wins first place. If there is a tie, the length is the tie breaker. If the length is the same, then the time entered breaks it. Not sure how remaining places would be figured, haven't thought that far ahead.
Love this for a side pot idea. Or ~20% of winnings
Might as well give everyone a participation trophy too! >:D
-Allen
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ORC winning weight to be an absolute random number generated right there at the awards. Everyone submits the fish of their choice. The weight, length and time is recorded at the weigh in station into a spreadsheet. When the winning weight number is randomly generated (to whatever decimal point makes sense), this number is compared to the list of fish entered, and the fish closest without going over it wins first place. If there is a tie, the length is the tie breaker. If the length is the same, then the time entered breaks it. Not sure how remaining places would be figured, haven't thought that far ahead.
Love this for a side pot idea. Or ~20% of winnings
Might as well give everyone a participation trophy too! >:D
-Allen
Isn't that how everything is awarded now a days? May as well keep the trend going. :sign10:
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I have no idea why we still call it the Oregon Rockfish Classic. We had a few years there where we played around with the format to try and make rockfish more important and I got the feeling that most didn't like it as it was too confusing and made the strategy weird. My thoughts are just rename it to the Oregon Bottomfish Classic and be done with it. I liked the format we used last year.
Also, if the biologists at ODFW and other entities that set the quotas say we can harvest, I say harvest.
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I have no idea why we still call it the Oregon Rockfish Classic. We had a few years there where we played around with the format to try and make rockfish more important and I got the feeling that most didn't like it as it was too confusing and made the strategy weird. My thoughts are just rename it to the Oregon Bottomfish Classic and be done with it. I liked the format we used last year.
Also, if the biologists at ODFW and other entities that set the quotas say we can harvest, I say harvest.
My OCD says rename it Oregon Bottomfish Classic and for some weird reason it works in my head.
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OBC has a nice ring to it. Google doesn't seem to show a lot of conflicts after a quick search. Oregon Business Council, Oregon Brew Crew,...
The Oregon Baton Council may get upset with us stealing their acronym.
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INSAYN, on a personal level, I too get a lot of joy releasing the big ones. My favorite eater-size lings are in the high 20 to low 30 inch range. Those fish always taste great. If someone were to offer me fillets off 30 inch and 40 inch lingcod, I'd take the 30 incher fillets because I enjoy the thinner fillets and tighter flakes.
That being said, I'm not entirely averse to harvesting a big ling. They produce a lot of quality meat and the "glory shots" satisfy my vanity :D.
How about "Oregon Bottomfeeder Classic"? :laugh:
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INSAYN, on a personal level, I too get a lot of joy releasing the big ones. My favorite eater-size lings are in the high 20 to low 30 inch range. Those fish always taste great. If someone were to offer me fillets off 30 inch and 40 inch lingcod, I'd take the 30 incher fillets because I enjoy the thinner fillets and tighter flakes.
That being said, I'm not entirely averse to harvesting a big ling. They produce a lot of quality meat and the "glory shots" satisfy my vanity :D.
How about "Oregon Bottomfeeder Classic"? :laugh:
In conversation over the years, many have said the same thing regarding the ling slot that works best for their table. I prefer 26 to 35 inch for similar filet aspects as you mentioned, but if a chubby 25 inch is all I can scratch up for the day, it gets removed from the gene pool. The larger ones are obviously the breeders, and returning these girls to the drink helps the population stay healthy.
If we were to go with "Oregon Bottomfeeder Classic", we might confuse those that "choose" to live on EBT and that would just complicate things at the ramp. ;D
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How about "Oregon Bottomfeeder Classic"? :laugh:
Is that really the kind of crowd we want to attract to our event though?
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How about "Oregon Bottomfeeder Classic"? :laugh:
Is that really the kind of crowd we want to attract to our event though?
It could increase the abundance of Costco/Walmart kayaks on the water on tourney day. And vehicle break-ins...
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How about we just catch some fish, throw a big party, and eat and drink until our stomachs can hold no more? Fun for all! What more do you want?
Sorry, in a bit of a snarky mood today.
-Allen
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How about we just catch some fish, throw a big party, and eat and drink until our stomachs can hold no more? Fun for all! What more do you want?
Sorry, in a bit of a snarky mood today.
-Allen
I vote for that.
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How about we just catch some fish, throw a big party, and eat and drink until our stomachs can hold no more? Fun for all! What more do you want?
Sorry, in a bit of a snarky mood today.
-Allen
Says the guy that makes as many appearances at ORC as Elvis. :-*
I'm good with some party action!
Looks like we shook the cob webs off the thread today and got some mental juices flowing.
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Hi guys, I'm here for the bottomfeeder classic. Where's the keg?
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I'm a bottomfeeder, my kayak is aspiring to Walmart quality. I think I'll minimally join the party, if the weather is decent I'll fish!
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Reading through the hilarious posts, I'm inclined to go this year. It's been a while, and I certainly enjoy the fun crowd. :banjo:
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How about we just catch some fish, throw a big party, and eat and drink until our stomachs can hold no more? Fun for all! What more do you want?
Sorry, in a bit of a snarky mood today.
-Allen
Says the guy that makes as many appearances at ORC as Elvis. :-*
I'm good with some party action!
Looks like we shook the cob webs off the thread today and got some mental juices flowing.
Someone needs to clean the ROCKFISH ...
-Allen
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Pick me to fillet the fish.... That's pretty fun, and a great way to visit with all the anglers and their prized catch from the day. I'm hoping to volunteer to fillet again for 2018 ORC.
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I'm trying to find the where to register for the ORC and have not been able to find it on this site, could be i new to this site and forums all the way around, but getting better.
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Happy Memorial Day everyone,
This topic is rather frustrating for someone new like myself. No real information of an event that is just over a month away. I am brand new to kayak fishing, and just got my first ocean kayak. The guys out of depoe bay are what got me bit by this bug, and its finally taken a very strong hold. It seems like there are a ton of great guys here helping us noobs and sharing info, all thats needed is a coffee pot and a table to sit around and talk shop lol.
I really want to participate this year, and reserved my stay at arch rock the 6th through the 9th. I hopefully didnt do this and have it wrong. I still dont know since there has been no official information posted. Could someone please post the official word and registration info for us. maybe in a new sticky post thats locked. Please dont say FB, and if this group is moving to FB please let us folks that choose not to do social media know so that we dont get frustrated with the lack of info. I have very happily seen several new users join since I joined and would hate to have them has the same frustration.
I am writing this as a request to improve communications with new users, not as a slam or dig on anyone. We all have lives and I know sometimes that interferes with the important stuff like fishing lol. I am just eager to start contributing, enjoy the tournament and meet alot of great people.
Have a GREAT day
Lance
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Glad to know I'm not the only one with this problem. I've taken time off from work for this and would very much like to participate.
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I can understand the frustration you guys are facing with the lack of information.
From ORC events in the past they have always been held at Chinook Bend Campground. You should still be able to get a dry "Tent" camping spot there as they have plenty of space.
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This topic is rather frustrating for someone new like myself. No real information of an event that is just over a month away.
I really want to participate this year, and reserved my stay at arch rock the 6th through the 9th. I hopefully didnt do this and have it wrong. I still dont know since there has been no official information posted.
This forum is made to ask questions. You can always ask questions before committing and answers are given.
The inn at arch rock is a great place to stay during the tourney if you want an actual hotel. The majority of the group camps at Chinnook Bend Campground. The inn at the arch offers great views and is more affordable than the surrounding hotels. If you do stay there i would recommend spending time at Chinook Bend Saturday for prizes and dinners.
The organizers of the event hold full time jobs and are taking their own time to organize an event. They have stated that the tourney will be July 7th. People usually launch at first light. and check in was around 1 last year. We then all met back at camp and had a fish fry and announced the winners.
If you want more information, use the search portion of the forum and type in ORC. There is also a great video on Youtube that gives a good idea of what the tournament is like.
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Thanks for the info on the campground/rv park I was able to get an rv site, yippy get to sleep in my own bed, and have real coffee in the morning.
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There is also a great video on Youtube that gives a good idea of what the tournament is like.
There's also this one ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitcSD5ONyQ
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It's a good video, though. Shameless plug accepted! :)