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Kayak Fishing => Let's Talk Kayak Fishing => Topic started by: reelmccoy on August 02, 2017, 06:26:17 AM
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I have been peddling a hobie Revo with turbo find for the last three years, and over the last year getting out at least one a week. I have begun to have significant tension in my hips for days after being in the kayak. I'm 44 and pretty athletic, but it has gotten to the point where I can hardly stand after 3 or 4 hours on the water. I think it is a TFL ( tensor fasciae latae) issue. I have done massage, stretching, chiropractic..... to little improvement. When I use a paddle kayak, no issues. I currently use a 2016 with the vantage seat.
So...Has anyone else experienced this? Solutions beyond abandoning the Hobie or the Mirage drive?
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My wife had a labral tear and some other hip issues that required surgery. The doc said that motion to kick the pedals will likely never be a good fit for her. I developed right hip bursitis after some excessive leg training and now it bothers me too, but not as bad as what you're describing. The bursitis also manifested as low back pain and is much better after a cortisone injection.
Pain is just weakness leaving the body, unless you were on the army, then it's probably arthritis ;-)
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The mirage drive also hurts my hip and knees after some time on the water. It feels like my right hip is getting jammed up in the socket. I haven't found a good solution. I try to stretch my legs while I'm on the water. I tried the Wilderness peddle drive and it hurt my hips in other places.
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You might try checking out Bowen Therapy if you have a person your area. That was one of the few things that I found relief from a similar type of issue... So much so I went and studied it. I'd say over half the people I see are dealing with a similar hip and pelvic imbalances, and SI issues. Most have also had a hard time finding relief in different modalities..
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Thanks for the input. I'll check out the Bowen Therapy.
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Another reason for me to keep on paddling. ;D
-Mark-
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I have bad arthritis in my hip and the circle motion of the Native Propel actually makes it feel better as long as my seats in the right position.
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I would talk to a doc, also consider doing yoga. There are a lot of yoga routines that open up the hips and get flexibility. I've got problematic knees and feet, so I don't have the same issues you're describing, but I've found that stretching my core and hips really helps when I'm sore after pedaling for 9 hours in a day.
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I've been having the same issue. Knees and hip. I was thinking about maybe going with a circular motion drive kayak. Was also thinking about the yoga as well, sounds like a good idea.
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Try some cycling, it's great at building strength but is still low impact. I notice a huge difference in my hip pain (I did the below a bit about 10 years ago) between when I'm riding or not. You might also try a spin class if you don't already have a bike, or during the winter.
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I enjoy long distance running and used to have severe hip pain when completing anything over 10 miles. A lot of it had to do with my form when running. My feet slightly bowed out which kept me knees from being diretly under my shoulders when running. I have noticed the same thing that i tend to let my knees stay on the outside of my shoulders. To mitigate this i adjusted the medals and wrapped a t shirt around my knees so they would stay no farther than shoulder width. This helped eleviate the pain. Just a thought.... try to focus on keeping your knees within your shoulder width when pedaling.
Hope it gets better
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Thanks for the input all. It's good to know I'm not the only Hobie user with drive associated pain.
I found last weekend if I only use the pedals to counter wind or current, and paddle otherwise there is no pain the next day. I think the TFL muscle stays engaged the entire time I'm on the boat since my feet tend to stay on the pedals even when I'm "parked". This causes it to Lock up and so it won't release. My chiropractor adjusted it last week and it has been better as well.
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I've been thinking of switching to a pedal drive this year but have hip issues myself. Last year around this time I had my left hip replaced because of arthritis. Has anyone been pedaling with a hip replacement? And how is it working. I'm only 54 and in my prime. I would hate to slow down on this sport.
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I know in sports medicine people who do a lot of crunches to strengthen their core will have issues with the tfl not relaxing over time. Perhaps you are tightening your core in the same way when sitting up and pedaling. You could try changing the angle you are sitting at and try to rest your core more perhaps? Food for thought.
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I have had hip pain a few times after pedaling and each time it has been a case of "too much too soon". It is easy with these machines to head out and come back in after you start to feel it - by then it's too late. You have to build up, and also vary things. Even shifting foot position on the pedals from toes to arch to heel can make a big difference. No one is "correct" - the point is to vary the motion and stressers.
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My wife had a labral tear and some other hip issues that required surgery. The doc said that motion to kick the pedals will likely never be a good fit for her. I developed right hip bursitis after some excessive leg training and now it bothers me too, but not as bad as what you're describing. The bursitis also manifested as low back pain and is much better after a cortisone injection.
Pain is just weakness leaving the body, unless you were on the army, then it's probably arthritis ;-)
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So true, Lee. Go in young come out old
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Another reason for me to keep on paddling. ;D
-Mark-
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I did a lot of pedaling the last few weekends and noticed my hips get a little sore. I've stopped putting my feet inside the stirrups and am able to have a little bit of a wider stance on my hobie pedals. The hip tightness went away pretty much immediately. I'm also relatively tall at 6'2 and have a wide frame as well. Definitely getting the right body geometry for you can make a big difference.
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For the record, I have been using "heel straps", a idea I stole shamelessly from Roadrunner, a Hobie Guru.....around 2010.
The heel straps allow you to "rest your heels" on the pedals and IMHO, are more comfortable for long periods of pedaling.
If you are interested, I can find a link from the Hobie forum.
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For the record, I have been using "heel straps", a idea I stole shamelessly from Roadrunner, a Hobie Guru.....around 2010.
The heel straps allow you to "rest your heels" on the pedals and IMHO, are more comfortable for long periods of pedaling.
If you are interested, I can find a link from the Hobie forum.
https://www.hobie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=39389&hilit=heel+straps
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I like the heel strap idea. It makes sense to me. Reel Mccoy Honu and myself have all this year started to have similar symptoms, prob due to a late spring and the consequent frequent pedaling fishing time on the water. Honu and I pedal Outbacks and Reel a Revo. We typically go out for 5-6 hour trips. After one days fishing, when driving home I had excruciating pain when moving my right leg from the accelerator to the brake. I thank Dr Steelhead for the heel strap idea and cant wait to try it.
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Oh man, the heel strap idea looks great. I might try that out.
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I found this warm up stretch that might help. and a way to stretch the TFL out after time on the water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJ3WRsIqJg
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For the record, I have been using "heel straps", a idea I stole shamelessly from Roadrunner, a Hobie Guru.....around 2010.
The heel straps allow you to "rest your heels" on the pedals and IMHO, are more comfortable for long periods of pedaling.
If you are interested, I can find a link from the Hobie forum.
+1, I put heel straps on a couple of months ago and I am less fatigued and no leg pain after a day on the water. I made them out of tie down strap just like Dr. SteelheadCatcher described in the thread posted above.
Dan_E
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I wonder if part of the issue is how close the peddles are on the hobie drives.. It doesn't really align the hip the same as on say a bike. If you look at how your hips splay at your feet while seated, then look at the distance between your drive pedal arms... Do they match up? Mine sure don't..
Just an observation
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I'm definitely going to try the heel straps!
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Unless you are trying to "power pedal"....IE, pulling back on the Hobie pedal straps to increase speed, the heel straps allow you to rest your heel into the strap and "twist your feet inwards or outwards" as you pedal. It makes a world of difference if you pedal for some distance......as an example, today I down rigged fished Lost Lake, towing a 4" quickfish and a 4# weight at 35' depth.....covered about 5.5 miles in 3.25 hours, avg speed about 1.7 MPH.....no stopping except to reel in 2 fish....and I am not hurting or wiped out.....My age is over 75 ;)
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Unless you are trying to "power pedal"....IE, pulling back on the Hobie pedal straps to increase speed, the heel straps allow you to rest your heel into the strap and "twist your feet inwards or outwards" as you pedal. It makes a world of difference if you pedal for some distance......as an example, today I down rigged fished Lost Lake, towing a 4" quickfish and a 4# weight at 35' depth.....covered about 5.5 miles in 3.25 hours, avg speed about 1.7 MPH.....no stopping except to reel in 2 fish....and I am not hurting or wiped out.....My age is over 75 ;)
Great tips Dr S. There's hope for me then. I made my heel straps today. Trying them out tomorrow on Lake CDA.