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Kayak Fishing => Events => Oregon Rockfish Classic 2016 => Topic started by: bsteves on May 02, 2016, 09:59:07 AM
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NOTE: Voting has bee reset to only inlclude the two top vote getting options from the 1st round.
Second Round Voting Ends on May 17, 2016 at 10 am.
The ORC coordinating committee (bsteves, ndogg, rawkfish, wobbler, and craig) would like to invite some input regarding the tournament format for this year's ORC. We have come up with 4 alternative ranking strategies and we'd like you to vote on which you'd prefer to see.
This poll will close in 10 days (10 am May 12th).
If no option ends up receiving 50% or more of the votes, we will hold a run-off poll with the top 2 options for an additional 5 days.
Here is a bit more detail about the four options as well as some examples of how some hypothetical anglers would rank their catches under each format.
Option 1.) Single Heaviest Fish.
This is the format we've used for most of the history of the ORC. It's pretty simple, we weigh your heaviest fish and rank everyone from there. In the past this has meant that we've had lingcod, cabezon and even a vermilion rockfish win the tournament.
Example:
Angler A. 12 lb Lingcod, 14 lb Cabezon = 14 lb Cabezon (ORC winner)
Angler B. 10 lb Lingcod, 9 lb Cabezon, 2 lb Rockfish, 1 lb greenling = 10 lb Lingcod (2nd)
Angler C. 7 lb Lingcod, 3 lb Greenling, 4 lb Cabezon = 7 lb Lingcod (3rd)
Angler D. 4 lb Rockfish = 4 lb Rocfish (4th)
Option 2.) The 3 out of 4 Slam.
For this slam you need to catch 3 out of 4 of the target species (lingcod, cabezon, rockfish, greenling) to be entered. We will take the combined total of your best 3 and create a slam weight. Note that you have to have 3 out of the 4 species to be considered for ranking.
For example..
Angler B. 10 lb Lingcod, 9 lb Cabezon, 2 lb Rockfish, 1 lb Greenling = 21 lb slam ORC Winner (we don't count the bonus greenling)
Angler A. 12 lb Lingcod, 14 lb Cabezon = No Slam (didn't enter three species)
Angler C. 7 lb Lingcod, 3 lb Greenling, 4 lb Cabezon = 14 lb Slam (2nd)
Angler D. 4 lb Rockfish = No Slam
Option 3.) Best of 4 Slam.
For this slam you can enter one of each of the target species and their combined weight will be your slam weight. We will be allowing partial slams for this, so can enter your best fish even if you don't catch all four species.
For example..
Angler A. 12 lb Lingcod, 14 lb Cabezon = 26 lb slam (ORC Winner)
Angler B. 10 lb Lingcod, 9 lb Cabezon, 2 lb Rockfish, 1 lb greenling = 22 lb slam (2nd)
Angler C. 7 lb Lingcod, 3 lb Greenling, 4 lb Cabezon = 14 lb slam (3rd)
Angler D. 4 lb Rockfish = 4 lb slam (4th)
Option 4.) Heaviest of each species.
Here we will award top prizes for the single heaviest catches of each of the target species. The remaining prizes will follow the single heaviest fish format. This is fairly similar to format we used at last year's ORC.
Ranking...
1.) Heaviest of heaviest species and heaviest over all (winner of ORC 2016)
2.) Heaviest of second biggest species
3.) Heaviest of third heaviest species
4.) Heaviest of 4th heaviest species
5-10). Ranking of remaining fish that didn't place in top 4.
Example..
Angler A. 12 lb Lingcod, 14 lb Cabezon = Biggest Cabezon & ORC winner
Angler B. 10 lb Lingcod, 9 lb Cabezon, 2 lb Rockfish, 1 lb greenling = Biggest Ling & 2nd
Angler D. 4 lb Rockfish = Biggest Rockfish & 3rd
Angler C. 7 lb Lingcod, 3 lb Greenling, 4 lb Cabezon = Biggest Greenling & 4th
Angler E. 11 lb Lingcod - 5th
Angler F. 10 lb Cabezon - 6th..
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Option 4 then 3 for me
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Thanks for coming up with these ideas and putting it to a community vote - that's awesome! Looking forward to seeing what everyone thinks.
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Option 4 then 3 for me
Hey no second choices!
Although... it might be good to do a run off poll with the top two choices if it ends up being close.
If there is no clear winner (i.e. receiving more than 50% of all votes) at the end of the poll, we will run a run-off poll with the top two choices for an additional 5 days.
Save your second choice for then bluewrx02.
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Pretty close race so far with all 6 votes
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After i voted it is a 3 way tie... interesting!
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I haven't been to ORC in years past so I have no frame of reference to work with here aside from what I've read.
My thought is that Option 3 seems like it would be the most fun and push everyone to catch fish of all species while still going for the bigger fish. It would also have a clear cut winner at the end, not that option 4 doesn't have winners, but it has 4 winners and not one overall winner.
Just my $.02
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I encourage everyone to discuss the merits of each option.
Here are my thoughts..
Option 1: Single Heaviest
It has a long history with ORC and other kayak fishing tournaments
It is easiest to score and rank
It has the highest degree of luck involved
Option 2: 3/4 Slam
Slams are popular in other parts of the country
Requires more strategy and less luck
The penalty for not getting 3 fish species is pretty severe and will add some drama
Option 3: Best of 4 Slam
Again, slams are popular elsewhere for a reason
Requires more strategy and less luck
No penalty for missing species
Option 4: Heaviest of each species
We basically did this last year
Potential for strategy fairly high.. switch species if you find out someone has already caught a massive lingcod or cabezon
Hardest to score and rank everyone
Drama factor: The 2nd largest fish in the tournament could potentially only get 5th place
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The luck factor in a heaviest single fish format is pretty high.
There weren't that many 3 of 4 qualifiers last year. It would be kind of a bummer to have 100 participants and only 20 folks on the board. This format is also extremely difficult because of the 1 cabezon sublimit.
Heaviest slam without regard to the number of species submitted is still gong to have a decent luck component because lingcod and cabezon are so much bigger than greenling and most rockfish.
Heaviest of each species is sort of what we had last year, except 2nd went to heaviest slam.
I like the slam format, but having an empty board with few qualifiers isn't fun, so I voted for the best of 4 slam option.
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The luck factor in a heaviest single fish format is pretty high.
There weren't that many 3 of 4 qualifiers last year. It would be kind of a bummer to have 100 participants and only 20 folks on the board. This format is also extremely difficult because of the 1 cabezon sublimit.
Heaviest slam without regard to the number of species submitted is still gong to have a decent luck component because lingcod and cabezon are so much bigger than greenling and most rockfish.
Heaviest of each species is sort of what we had last year, except 2nd went to heaviest slam.
I like the slam format, but having an empty board with few qualifiers isn't fun, so I voted for the best of 4 slam option.
+1
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Oh sorry is there a poll. Tapatalk didn't show me
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Oh sorry is there a poll. Tapatalk didn't show me
Yeah, you can only see it on the interwebs, not Tapatalk.
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Ok I voted
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Hmm... :-\
Okay, I voted.
I also like the runoff vote option.
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Interesting choices! As someone with one whole ORC of experience and the second largest fish last year, I like the luck factor. It gives more chance to newbies. As someone who has experience bottom fishing (not in a kayak) the skill factor seems like a fair choice. It more often rewards someone who has put in their time.
Can I get two votes? 😗
The run off is a good idea - thanks for letting us vote!
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Thanks for putting so much thought and discussion into the format for ORC. Just curious why you guys wouldn't do scoring similar to AOTY based on length and have those points proportional to the nominal size of each species? Why do you go on fish weight?
I voted...I may sign up to fish the ORC, but I'd fish it under any format as long as the scoring format was established prior to the tournament.
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Thanks for putting so much thought and discussion into the format for ORC. Just curious why you guys wouldn't do scoring similar to AOTY based on length and have those points proportional to the nominal size of each species? Why do you go on fish weight?
I voted...I may sign up to fish the ORC, but I'd fish it under any format as long as the scoring format was established prior to the tournament.
We already have Roy's AOTD tournament using that format (it's sort of his thing). And while I like the AOTY scoring system (I'm a bit biased there), I prefer weight when measuring fish that are being kept and brought in to eat anyway.
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Thanks for putting so much thought and discussion into the format for ORC. Just curious why you guys wouldn't do scoring similar to AOTY based on length and have those points proportional to the nominal size of each species? Why do you go on fish weight?
I voted...I may sign up to fish the ORC, but I'd fish it under any format as long as the scoring format was established prior to the tournament.
Not to take words out of the mouths of the organizers, but it's basically arbitrary. Single heaviest fish was the format originally, and was maintained for many years.
There is an AOTD tournament that Roy (coosbayyakker) has put on for a number of years if you prefer that format.
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I like the format options. I voted for the 3rd because it really forces you to have a plan. The no risk factor is nice too.
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Thanks for putting so much thought and discussion into the format for ORC. Just curious why you guys wouldn't do scoring similar to AOTY based on length and have those points proportional to the nominal size of each species? Why do you go on fish weight?
I voted...I may sign up to fish the ORC, but I'd fish it under any format as long as the scoring format was established prior to the tournament.
I like the AOTY format too, and I think most tournaments should be length based, appropriately weighted multipliers for species, with a bonus for CPR of hearty fish that can tolerate CPR well, such as all of the groundfish.
I also think there should be a dead fish tournament once or twice a year. This is one of those tournaments. Dead fish tournaments make side pots easier and result in awesome fish frys. I do wish that the weigh-in rules required the fish to be handled differently because they are a bloody soupy mess when they aren't gutted and gilled or ike'd right away and that results in an inferior eating fish, but I realize it isn't an issue for most people and I'll get over it.
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I'm really enjoying this discussion. I see the merits in each of the formats and I don't think there's a "bad" choice among them. It will be fun to see how this shapes up. With the current significant lead of the "best of 4 slam" it looks like that's the option to beat. And honestly I think that's a pretty good option; still plenty of room for luck, but also room for skill, maybe more than the single heaviest fish way it used to be.
I'm curious what the OGs vs. the newbies think? We've seen a few of each weigh in so far...
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I like the AOTY format too, and I think most tournaments should be length based, appropriately weighted multipliers for species, with a bonus for CPR of hearty fish that can tolerate CPR well, such as all of the groundfish.
I also think there should be a dead fish tournament once or twice a year. This is one of those tournaments. Dead fish tournaments make side pots easier and result in awesome fish frys. I do wish that the weigh-in rules required the fish to be handled differently because they are a bloody soupy mess when they aren't gutted and gilled or ike'd right away and that results in an inferior eating fish, but I realize it isn't an issue for most people and I'll get over it.
We haven't posted all of the rules yet, but we will probably be going with a gutted weight on this. There is a cleaning station right in the parking lot of the harbor so that shouldn't be an issue. I imagine it going something like this... people who feel the need to get their photograph with an intact fish can do so, they can even get a weight taken with fish intact, but when it comes time to enter an official weight they'll have to gut the fish first. This does two things... it allows people who worry about meat quality to gut their fish early on and not worry about loosing too much weight relative to the competition and it also prevents someone from stuffing their catch with a few 16 oz weights or small rockfish.
We'll be posting all of the safety and tournament procedure rules soon.
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I do wish that the weigh-in rules required the fish to be handled differently because they are a bloody soupy mess when they aren't gutted and gilled or ike'd right away and that results in an inferior eating fish, but I realize it isn't an issue for most people and I'll get over it.
I'd say it's not too big of a deal to me either, but I agree... I don't bleed my fish at ORC in case I need the extra ounces at weigh-in and the meat suffers for it.
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We haven't posted all of the rules yet, but we will probably be going with a gutted weight on this.
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We'll be posting all of the safety and tournament procedure rules soon.
Cool!
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We haven't posted all of the rules yet, but we will probably be going with a gutted weight on this.
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We'll be posting all of the safety and tournament procedure rules soon.
Cool!
Yes!
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This does two things... it allows people who worry about meat quality to gut their fish early on and not worry about loosing too much weight relative to the competition and it also prevents someone from stuffing their catch with a few 16 oz weights or small rockfish.
I like the elimination of potential cheating, and the enhancement of meat quality. Though I did think it was really damn cool that a keeper size Dungeness crab was found in the stomach of the winning cabezon several years ago. It probably added 1.5lbs to the fish's weight, though I don't that mattered in the end as second place wasn't even that close. I have no doubt whatsoever that the crab was legitimately in the cabezon's stomach before it got hooked.
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I love the interaction with the planning committee that you are providing this year. It will give folks a feeling of involvement and possibly spur more ideas for future ORCs.
With that I would like to suggest a 5th option that would really put a spin on things. No strategy, or plan could prepare the fishermen for how it would work out for them.
Minutes after the closing of the weigh in station, and well before the awards we could have one of the kids from our charity "Neighbors For Kids" reach in and draw a number out of can. This number will be 1, 2, 3, or 4. With that number, we then know which scoring option will be used to find a winner. Then those doing the scoring can calculate the winners. We'll see at the awards who gets lucky.
Otherwise, I voted #4 because it is a four letter word, and I just happen to like that number. It is also the last digit in my birthday, and the first and last digit in my age (currently), and all my cars and trucks have four tires.
;D
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This does two things... it allows people who worry about meat quality to gut their fish early on and not worry about loosing too much weight relative to the competition and it also prevents someone from stuffing their catch with a few 16 oz weights or small rockfish.
I like the elimination of potential cheating, and the enhancement of meat quality. Though I did think it was really damn cool that a keeper size Dungeness crab was found in the stomach of the winning cabezon several years ago. It probably added 1.5lbs to the fish's weight, though I don't that mattered in the end as second place wasn't even that close. I have no doubt whatsoever that the crab was legitimately in the cabezon's stomach before it got hooked.
I can confirm that the cabby with the crabby was legit. The winner was fishing his first time on the Oregon coast and had no idea of what he was catching. He described to me over the VHF what he reeled in as he saw color, while I was nursing a kidney stone at the dock. Later I helped filet that pig and was totally shocked to see that crab and other crustacean bits that were piled inside that huge cabby, gut.
On a side note, I bleed all of my fish regardless of the event. I don't want to waste a fish to quality of handling just for a trophy. On the flip side, I'm not sure if gutting is completely necessary.
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We had a full-size adult crab in one of Christine's cabezon too. Although her biggest just had hundreds of tiny ones ???
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We had a full-size adult crab in one of Christine's cabezon too. Although her biggest just had hundreds of tiny ones ???
From Brookings south it isn't unusual to find abalone shells inside of cabbies. Some venturesome souls even prepare the cab gut juice marinated abalone meat for their own consumption. I haven't done that yet, not sure I want to.
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I don't believe we've ever had a case of someone cheating at ORC by stuffing the gut with fish or weights. Lings and Cabs with full guts happen all the time. However, given the recent events in the kayak bass fishing world with Andrew Sheperd's shortened Hawg Troughs, it's good to be thinking ahead of the curve.
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I like the idea of gutting the fish before weigh in.
I consciously bled my fish last year (like always) because I like it better that way.
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I like the idea of keeping the guts in as an added bonus if your fish was extra hungry.
I did like the heaviest fish category or heaviest of each species. I am new to tournaments and fairly new to ocean fishing. These scoring types may bring more new people each year. However, I do like the partial slam. Strategy becomes a bigger part of it and it rewards more experienced people. But this may lead to the same winner year after year which may be a put off to some.
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But this may lead to the same winner year after year which may be a put off to some.
You might be surprised to see the list of previous year's ORC winners under the heaviest fish format.
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We've had two repeat winners in the 8 year history of the ORC. If you discount the first two ORC's which weren't at Depoe Bay, than 4 out 6 ORC's at Depoe Bay have been won by the same two guys using the single heaviest fish format.
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So, the better a fisherman you are, the more you can afford to turn a fish loose and hope to land a bigger one ? Sounds like that guy SHOULD win a fishing tournament.
Don't like seeing the same guys win all the time ? Simple. Go catch a bigger fish than them.
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We haven't posted all of the rules yet, but we will probably be going with a gutted weight on this. There is a cleaning station right in the parking lot of the harbor so that shouldn't be an issue. I imagine it going something like this... people who feel the need to get their photograph with an intact fish can do so, they can even get a weight taken with fish intact, but when it comes time to enter an official weight they'll have to gut the fish first. This does two things... it allows people who worry about meat quality to gut their fish early on and not worry about loosing too much weight relative to the competition and it also prevents someone from stuffing their catch with a few 16 oz weights or small rockfish.
We'll be posting all of the safety and tournament procedure rules soon.
I prefer to bleed my fish & don't like cheaters, so I like this rule. I'd also like to see a no immersion gear disqualification & channel boundary rules enforced. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it very annoying to see the yahoo's damage our reputation. :police:
I voted option 4, but wouldn't mind seeing a runoff of the top 2 choices. I think it would add to the drama & give me a chance to maybe change my mind. ;D
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Paul,
Part of the sign out process in the morning will be a full safety check for required gear and participants will have to sign out in the morning and sign back in in the afternoon. Failure to do so is a disqualification.
We haven't worked out how to enforce the boundaries, but it will have to involve witnesses.
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Paul,
Part of the sign out process in the morning will be a full safety check for required gear and participants will have to sign out in the morning and sign back in in the afternoon. Failure to do so is a disqualification.
We haven't worked out how to enforce the boundaries, but it will have to involve witnesses.
:icon_thumright: I'll have my GoPro. Usually don't spend much time near the channel boundaries, but if I see something untoward on my way out or back in, I'll be sure to immortalize it on video.
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We've had two repeat winners in the 8 year history of the ORC. If you discount the first two ORC's which weren't at Depoe Bay, than 4 out 6 ORC's at Depoe Bay have been won by the same two guys using the single heaviest fish format.
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This does two things... it allows people who worry about meat quality to gut their fish early on and not worry about loosing too much weight relative to the competition and it also prevents someone from stuffing their catch with a few 16 oz weights or small rockfish.
I like the elimination of potential cheating, and the enhancement of meat quality. Though I did think it was really damn cool that a keeper size Dungeness crab was found in the stomach of the winning cabezon several years ago. It probably added 1.5lbs to the fish's weight, though I don't that mattered in the end as second place wasn't even that close. I have no doubt whatsoever that the crab was legitimately in the cabezon's stomach before it got hooked.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160504/fce362a431aa9c446e8e3d407cb2195b.jpg)
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So, the better a fisherman you are, the more you can afford to turn a fish loose and hope to land a bigger one ? Sounds like that guy SHOULD win a fishing tournament.
Don't like seeing the same guys win all the time ? Simple. Go catch a bigger fish than them.
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Good point. I am just happy to get out there and learn a thing or two at my first few tournaments and hopefully meet people to fish with in the future.
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So, the better a fisherman you are, the more you can afford to turn a fish loose and hope to land a bigger one ? Sounds like that guy SHOULD win a fishing tournament.
Don't like seeing the same guys win all the time ? Simple. Go catch a bigger fish than them.
I don't disagree in general, but it depends on the point of the tourney. Is the point to be as competitive as possible? Is the point to attract people to the sport? Is the point to just meet up and have a good time?
I'm not advocating for any particular "point" I'm just pointing out some possible points. ;D
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So, the better a fisherman you are, the more you can afford to turn a fish loose and hope to land a bigger one ? Sounds like that guy SHOULD win a fishing tournament.
Don't like seeing the same guys win all the time ? Simple. Go catch a bigger fish than them.
I don't disagree in general, but it depends on the point of the tourney. Is the point to be as competitive as possible? Is the point to attract people to the sport? Is the point to just meet up and have a good time?
I'm not advocating for any particular "point" I'm just pointing out some possible points. ;D
Seems like there should be some amount of skill necessary, and it also seems like a rockfish should be a required component of a "Rockfish Classic", but I'd participate either way. I like depoe bay and the nwka crowd is chill. Add ninkasi and fried fish and i'm in even if we determine winners by lottery.
Except the single heaviest fish is a lottery of sorts in that it is the format that takes the least amount of skill. Which is fine, unless you are determining a qualifier to the Hobie Worlds. Lottery is not a great way to hand out that prize. Since we don't have to worry about that this year, whatever I'm in.
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So, the better a fisherman you are, the more you can afford to turn a fish loose and hope to land a bigger one ? Sounds like that guy SHOULD win a fishing tournament.
Don't like seeing the same guys win all the time ? Simple. Go catch a bigger fish than them.
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Good point. I am just happy to get out there and learn a thing or two at my first few tournaments and hopefully meet people to fish with in the future.
Just remember this one important fact
IT'S FOR H.O.W./NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS
at least as far as I'm concerned even if I walk away with a few new lures or scents and skunk on the yak the money is to help a VERY worthy cause.
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I don't think I have ever fished the ORC with my serious hat on. I just go for the fun and camping aspect.
Taking home some meat is always a plus.
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I don't think I have ever fished the ORC with my serious hat on. I just go for the fun and camping aspect.
Taking home some meat is always a plus.
I think we just played with the kiddy poles all day last year.... ::)
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I get that, but I don't think serious and fun have to be mutually exclusive; i.e. I think it can still be competitive if you want it to be and just fun if you want it to be.
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I get that, but I don't think serious and fun have to be mutually exclusive; i.e. I think it can still be competitive if you want it to be and just fun if you want it to be.
Absolutely!
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As long as you have your immersion gear, have a flag and radio, etc, and stay out of the channel, I don't really see why we need to enforce any boundaries. Especially With a signed waiver and no corporate organizer for liability. Just asking here.
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I don't think I have ever fished the ORC with my serious hat on. I just go for the fun and camping aspect.
Taking home some meat is always a plus.
I think we just played with the kiddy poles all day last year.... ::)
I only brought kiddy poles last year. Left everything else at home
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I don't think I have ever fished the ORC with my serious hat on. I just go for the fun and camping aspect.
Taking home some meat is always a plus.
I think we just played with the kiddy poles all day last year.... ::)
I only brought kiddy poles last year. Left everything else at home
I will have my own this year...just not sure which theme is fitting for me yet
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As long as you have your immersion gear, have a flag and radio, etc, and stay out of the channel, I don't really see why we need to enforce any boundaries. Especially With a signed waiver and no corporate organizer for liability. Just asking here.
Liability is always present, corporate organizer or not.
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As long as you have your immersion gear, have a flag and radio, etc, and stay out of the channel, I don't really see why we need to enforce any boundaries. Especially With a signed waiver and no corporate organizer for liability. Just asking here.
Liability is always present, corporate organizer or not.
Which begs the question, to my concern with how NA handled their waiver and launch requirements last year.
A person signs a waiver to attend the OCR, and this supposedly relieves the organizers of all liability in the event you are injured or killed during the event. The same organizers require in writing, that proper immersion gear is to be worn to compete. Where does bill go if the organizers don't make sure that all of the paid and signed competitors are properly dressed, and some "Macho Mouse" causes another person to get injured or drowned while attempting to rescue his ass when he fell in and couldn't swim due to the effects of the cold water?
It made me nervous launching and seeing those guys at the launch last year in shorts and light paddle jackets. I believe by Maritime law we are required to assist a vessel in distress if you are the closest available vessel to them, so we made a bee line out of the hole to get as far from these guys as possible to not be the closest vessel to them during the event.
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Yeah, in some ways it's a bit like the scene from Jaws where all the yahoos are out in little boats trying to kill a big fish.
You could make it an invitational of sorts or require a sponsor who can vouche that the competitor will not be a jackass on or off the water like GSX does.
Last year I believe anybody could just sign up through the NA website and have at it - kind of scary. It's a young, growing sport and with all the social media, videos etc, the ORC is a dangerous proposition for a newbie under bad conditions.
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Yeah, in some ways it's a bit like the scene from Jaws where all the yahoos are out in little boats trying to kill a big fish.
You could make it an invitational of sorts or require a sponsor who can vouche that the competitor will not be a jackass on or off the water like GSX does.
Last year I believe anybody could just sign up through the NA website and have at it - kind of scary. It's a young, growing sport and with all the social media, videos etc, the ORC is a dangerous proposition for a newbie under bad conditions.
Yeah I really like the GS format to be able to attend that Eric does down there (been there twice).
He also provides a very thorough mandatory captains safety meeting the night before.
And everyone holds each other accountable.
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As long as you have your immersion gear, have a flag and radio, etc, and stay out of the channel, I don't really see why we need to enforce any boundaries. Especially With a signed waiver and no corporate organizer for liability. Just asking here.
Liability is always present, corporate organizer or not.
Which begs the question, to my concern with how NA handled their waiver and launch requirements last year.
A person signs a waiver to attend the OCR, and this supposedly relieves the organizers of all liability in the event you are injured or killed during the event. The same organizers require in writing, that proper immersion gear is to be worn to compete. Where does bill go if the organizers don't make sure that all of the paid and signed competitors are properly dressed, and some "Macho Mouse" causes another person to get injured or drowned while attempting to rescue his ass when he fell in and couldn't swim due to the effects of the cold water?
It made me nervous launching and seeing those guys at the launch last year in shorts and light paddle jackets. I believe by Maritime law we are required to assist a vessel in distress if you are the closest available vessel to them, so we made a bee line out of the hole to get as far from these guys as possible to not be the closest vessel to them during the event.
That reminds me. We may have a job for you. You may be getting volunteered by me for a task. Or is that voluntold? I will speak to you offline. ;)
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As long as you have your immersion gear, have a flag and radio, etc, and stay out of the channel, I don't really see why we need to enforce any boundaries. Especially With a signed waiver and no corporate organizer for liability. Just asking here.
Liability is always present, corporate organizer or not.
Which begs the question, to my concern with how NA handled their waiver and launch requirements last year.
A person signs a waiver to attend the OCR, and this supposedly relieves the organizers of all liability in the event you are injured or killed during the event. The same organizers require in writing, that proper immersion gear is to be worn to compete. Where does bill go if the organizers don't make sure that all of the paid and signed competitors are properly dressed, and some "Macho Mouse" causes another person to get injured or drowned while attempting to rescue his ass when he fell in and couldn't swim due to the effects of the cold water?
It made me nervous launching and seeing those guys at the launch last year in shorts and light paddle jackets. I believe by Maritime law we are required to assist a vessel in distress if you are the closest available vessel to them, so we made a bee line out of the hole to get as far from these guys as possible to not be the closest vessel to them during the event.
That reminds me. We may have a job for you. You may be getting volunteered by me for a task. Or is that voluntold? I will speak to you offline. ;)
Do I get to carry a badge and beat down stick? :police:
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As long as you have your immersion gear, have a flag and radio, etc, and stay out of the channel, I don't really see why we need to enforce any boundaries. Especially With a signed waiver and no corporate organizer for liability. Just asking here.
Liability is always present, corporate organizer or not.
Which begs the question, to my concern with how NA handled their waiver and launch requirements last year.
A person signs a waiver to attend the OCR, and this supposedly relieves the organizers of all liability in the event you are injured or killed during the event. The same organizers require in writing, that proper immersion gear is to be worn to compete. Where does bill go if the organizers don't make sure that all of the paid and signed competitors are properly dressed, and some "Macho Mouse" causes another person to get injured or drowned while attempting to rescue his ass when he fell in and couldn't swim due to the effects of the cold water?
It made me nervous launching and seeing those guys at the launch last year in shorts and light paddle jackets. I believe by Maritime law we are required to assist a vessel in distress if you are the closest available vessel to them, so we made a bee line out of the hole to get as far from these guys as possible to not be the closest vessel to them during the event.
Luckily that law requires anyone "able to render aid" required to help and I was told we are NOT capable of rendering aid by the coastie's here, so we get to choose if we want to help the incredibly stupid.
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Do I get to carry a badge and beat down stick? :police:
I'll allow it. ;D
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Do I get to carry a badge and beat down stick? :police:
I'll allow it. ;D
Uh oh Craig. Be careful what you ask for.
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Do I get to carry a badge and beat down stick? :police:
I'll allow it. ;D
Uh oh Craig. Be careful what you ask for.
Turn and cough?
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I have seen some contests while living in California that had side pots for biggest fish. It was 5 dolalrs a species and winner take all format. This could be something that could be added if we wanted a mix of both. I believe they collected money the night before. Just a thought.
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I have seen some contests while living in California that had side pots for biggest fish. It was 5 dolalrs a species and winner take all format. This could be something that could be added if we wanted a mix of both. I believe they collected money the night before. Just a thought.
We've done that with the Barbie Pole contest. I think it was $5 to enter. Winner got half the pot (or might have been $20) and the rest went to Neighbors for Kids or HOW (can't remember which, it's been 2 years since I went to ORC, and I didn't participate anyway). Nice little fund raiser and side contest. 2 years ago, IIRC, ndogg came in second overall at ORC with his Barbie Pole winning fish.
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We (the ORC coordinators) probably won't run any side pots, but like the Barbie Pole Contest, you're welcome to organize your own.
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Some of the sidepots reached over 100. It would be neat to do a 50/50 split with HOW
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Do I get to carry a badge and beat down stick? :police:
I'll allow it. ;D
Absolutely. Maybe Nate will let you borrow the "fist of fury" Mark carved him.
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Maybe I can make you a "custom beat down stick".
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Maybe I can make you a "custom beat down stick".
I'm good, thx!
Have you met "Bob"?
Anyone else that has met "Bob" can tell you he can hold his own.
I don't have any pictures of "Bob", because if "Bob" hurts anyone, I don't want anyone to use the internet to associate "Bob with me in court. ;D
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Maybe I can make you a "custom beat down stick".
I'm good, thx!
Have you met "Bob"?
Anyone else that has met "Bob" can tell you he can hold his own.
I don't have any pictures of "Bob", because if "Bob" hurts anyone, I don't want anyone to use the internet to associate "Bob with me in court. ;D
I got "tiny" that fits the bill if I can make it I'll be your deputy :police:
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Wow.. a bit of a surge for the single heaviest fish format.
Voting closes in 25 hours.
If no single format has 50% or more of the vote then we are headed for a run off poll.
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Looks like we're probably heading for a runoff between options 3 and 4. Unless there's a real surge for one of those two options.
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You should be able to "remove" your vote and recast it if you wish.
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You should be able to "remove" your vote and recast it if you wish.
Agreed. I would change mine from 4 to 3.
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Agreed. I would change mine from 4 to 3.
The option is there if you'd wish.
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Yep, click on the "Remove Vote" button below the poll. After that you will be able to recast your vote. Or wait 17 minutes and I'll start the run off poll between "Single Heaviest of Each Species" and "Best of 4 Slam".
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Could we do just the top 2? I think the single heaviest fish and single heaviest of each species may split votes/ Just a thought
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Attached below are the results of the first round...
Single Heaviest Fish 8 votes (12.7%)
3 out of 4 Slam 4 votes (6.3%)
Best of 4 Slam 30 votes (47.6%)
Singe Heaviest of each Species 21 votes (33.3%)
No one option received 50% or more of the vote so we're going into a runoff poll.
I've reset the poll with just the top two vote getting options "Best of Four Slam" and "Heaviest of Each Species".
Voting Ends in 5 Days
Here are the explanations again...
Option 1.) Best of 4 Slam.
For this slam you can enter one of each of the target species and their combined weight will be your slam weight. We will be allowing partial slams for this, so can enter your best fish even if you don't catch all four species.
For example..
Angler A. 12 lb Lingcod, 14 lb Cabezon = 26 lb slam (ORC Winner)
Angler B. 10 lb Lingcod, 9 lb Cabezon, 2 lb Rockfish, 1 lb greenling = 22 lb slam (2nd)
Angler C. 7 lb Lingcod, 3 lb Greenling, 4 lb Cabezon = 14 lb slam (3rd)
Angler D. 4 lb Rockfish = 4 lb slam (4th)
Option 2.) Heaviest of each species.
Here we will award top prizes for the single heaviest catches of each of the target species. The remaining prizes will follow the single heaviest fish format. This is fairly similar to format we used at last year's ORC.
Ranking...
1.) Heaviest of heaviest species and heaviest over all (winner of ORC 2016)
2.) Heaviest of second biggest species
3.) Heaviest of third heaviest species
4.) Heaviest of 4th heaviest species
5-10). Ranking of remaining fish that didn't place in top 4.
Example..
Angler A. 12 lb Lingcod, 14 lb Cabezon = Biggest Cabezon & ORC winner
Angler B. 10 lb Lingcod, 9 lb Cabezon, 2 lb Rockfish, 1 lb greenling = Biggest Ling & 2nd
Angler D. 4 lb Rockfish = Biggest Rockfish & 3rd
Angler C. 7 lb Lingcod, 3 lb Greenling, 4 lb Cabezon = Biggest Greenling & 4th
Angler E. 9 lb Lingcod - 5th
Angler F. 8 lb Cabezon - 6th..
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Under Option 2 why doesn't angler A, get first and second? He has the biggest ling and the biggest cabby. In my book that is a royal shafting.
Best of 4 all the way.
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Under Option 2 why doesn't angler A, get first and second? He has the biggest ling and the biggest cabby. In my book that is a royal shafting.
Best of 4 all the way.
Good point.... I was thinking just one prize per person. Yes, I have Angler A as the ORC winner and winner of biggest Cab.. but really he's the ORC winner by having the biggest cab.
Best of 4 Slam is so much easier to figure out.
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I would vote for single heaviest of each species if it were pre-defined what order they go in, i.e. heaviest rockfish is #1, then heaviest lingcod is #2, etc. But the way it is defined I see Nate's point. Best of 4 slam for me!
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Under Option 2 why doesn't angler A, get first and second? He has the biggest ling and the biggest cabby. In my book that is a royal shafting.
Best of 4 all the way.
I was thinking Angler E under option 2 got the biggest shaft. He caught an 11 lb ling and was still bumped down to 5th... I think there's some nepotism going on with Angler B and the judges. Ha ha - just stirring the pot. ;D
Best slam is the way to go; it's what all the cool kids are doing these days.
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I was thinking Angler E under option 2 got the biggest shaft. He caught an 11 lb ling and was still bumped down to 5th... I think there's some nepotism going on with Angler B and the judges. Ha ha - just stirring the pot. ;D
Best slam is the way to go; it's what all the cool kids are doing these days.
Yep.. Angler E did get shafted and that was a definite error on my part when making up fake fish weights. I reweighed his fish and now it makes sense.
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I was thinking Angler E under option 2 got the biggest shaft. He caught an 11 lb ling and was still bumped down to 5th... I think there's some nepotism going on with Angler B and the judges. Ha ha - just stirring the pot. ;D
Best slam is the way to go; it's what all the cool kids are doing these days.
Yep.. Angler E did get shafted and that was a definite error on my part when making up fake fish weights. I reweighed his fish and now it makes sense.
It was just because "E" had it stuffed with lead and dead bait to get the weight up. After cleaning the weight went down.
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The Slam is running away with it at the moment 12-0.
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https://youtu.be/7ADgCeYJMN4
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The Slam is running away with it at the moment 12-0.
17-1 now.
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The Slam is running away with it at the moment 12-0.
17-1 now.
I was the "1"....just had to be different guy ;D
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Vote has best of 4 running away with it! Will single heaviest make a comeback?
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Voting is closed.
The 2016 ORC will be using a "Best of 4 Slam" tournament format.