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Kayak Fishing => Events => Oregon Rockfish Classic 2016 => Topic started by: bsteves on June 13, 2016, 05:37:13 PM

Title: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 13, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
We'll entertain questions and comments about the 2016 Oregon Rockfish Classic in this thread.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 13, 2016, 05:42:44 PM
Last year the PB fleet was within reach, knocking the crap out of silvers.  If I decide that I'm happy with my catch for the tournament and want to go out to join them fishing for salmon, beyond 100 ft, is that ok?  I seriously considered it last year.  I won't be rock fishing, I'll be trolling for salmon.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 13, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
Thanks Crash, that's a great question.  If you are registered to fish the tournament you will be required to follow all tournament rules during tournament hours, including the boundaries.  With this many kayakers in the water we just need to be sure no one wanders off. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bb2fish on June 13, 2016, 07:08:23 PM
Does the shuttle cost additional money or is it included in the registration fee?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 13, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
why not have the north boundary government point?? no big deal i fish south anyway but seems kinda odd place for the north boundary.  curious what are "a" and "b" on map?   also,where is the sign out sheet going to be located at that morning before 5 so those that want to launch at 5 can do so?  the ramp? the park? not that it matters but so far have a donated cool bag. any word on raffle prizes at all? 50 to register with 20 going toward the raffle but no word of raffle prizes??
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 13, 2016, 07:36:43 PM
Does the shuttle cost additional money or is it included in the registration fee?
Next Adventure is not supplying a shuttle this year.  We highly recommend car pooling.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 13, 2016, 07:38:07 PM
why not have the north boundary government point?? no big deal i fish south anyway but seems kinda odd place for the north boundary.  curious what are "a" and "b" on map?   also,where is the sign out sheet going to be located at that morning before 5 so those that want to launch at 5 can do so?  the ramp? the park?

One of the concerns of the safety boaters was the shear size of the fishing grounds.   We're trying to keep things a bit smaller and more
manageable.

We will have multiple check ourt personnel down at the harbor parking lot in the morning.  You can check out as soon as you are suited up with all of your safety equipment.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 13, 2016, 08:08:08 PM
 the coast guard vessel safety inspection and sticker u get when passing inspection is not a requirement? what is safety inspection? where and when is that happening?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on June 13, 2016, 08:15:41 PM
Will there be an option for an electronic waiver form we can fill out now?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 13, 2016, 08:23:50 PM
as for the borders...is there going to be a border patrol at borders to let people know they are at or over the border if they by some chance for whatever reasons  probably not paying attention end up over the border at some point in the day???
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 13, 2016, 08:32:28 PM
the coast guard vessel safety inspection and sticker u get when passing inspection is not a requirement? what is safety inspection? where and when is that happening?

The safety inspection will be done by a tournament organizer. If you do not have ALL the required equipment you will not be fishing in the tournament regardless of whether or not you paid.  But, since it is all laid out in the rules before you purchase your ticket, there shouldn't be any issues. These rules are required for insurance purposes. In years past we have had some skirt the rules and nothing happened. This has been a thorn in the side for many of those that followed the rules and to the organizers.

It happens when you check out in the morning.
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Will there be an option for an electronic waiver form we can fill out now?

We will try to figure that one out quickly.
as for the borders...is there going to be a border patrol at borders to let people know they are at or over the border if they by some chance for whatever reasons  probably not paying attention end up over the border at some point in the day???
Sound like we have someone itching to volunteer to be a border patrol. ;) We would welcome the help. There will be safety boats out and about as well as safety paddlers. Let's not make it too complicated.  :)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Noah on June 13, 2016, 08:48:11 PM
How much beer did it take to come up with these clearly laid rules and prize allocations?

Thank you to all the organizers for the hard work putting this together.

Let's all remember these volunteers put in many hours of their own time to make this event happen.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 13, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
"The safety inspection will be done by a tournament organizer"  that answers alot.  if its not spelled out where and when now i could see the morning of being a complete clusterfuck. especially when u have people that are going to want to be on the water at start time. now is time to be clear not the morning of.  this event has  had  1st place win of a hobie and another with a hobie and a trip to amsterdam.....WHAT HAPPENED?? who did i register with first a couple months ago and have my money refunded and now register again with who? this post title  is "orc questions"... sorry if am "making it too complicated""   no prize list up? not even a raffle prize list up yet???? but yet has been determined that 20 of my entry fee goes to raffle prize? how was that determined when raffle prize it appears has yet to be determined??
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 13, 2016, 09:51:37 PM
"The safety inspection will be done by a tournament organizer"  that answers alot.  if its not spelled out where and when now i could see the morning of being a complete clusterfuck. especially when u have people that are going to want to be on the water at start time. now is time to be clear not the morning of.  this event has  had  1st place win of a hobie and another with a hobie and a trip to amsterdam.....WHAT HAPPENED?? who did i register with first a couple months ago and have my money refunded and now register again with who? this post title  is "orc questions"... sorry if am "making it too complicated""   no prize list up? not even a raffle prize list up yet???? but yet has been determined that 20 of my entry fee goes to raffle prize? how was that determined when raffle prize it appears has yet to be determined??

Regarding the Hobie Prize and trip to Amsterdam, that was a special one time Hobie thing in 2014. 

Registration was with Next Adventure at the beginning of the year, but that was jumping the gun and we had them take it down and refund people until we had things better organized.   They kindly agreed to run registration again for us. 

I could run the registration through PayPal, but there are tax implications and I already deal with enough of that with the much smaller income we have from the AOTY.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 13, 2016, 10:04:32 PM
rules say must complete safety inspection. u say tournament organizer will be doing it.... i still say where and when??.... AND what is that going to entail? geezuz, less than a month away too. when is raffle prize list going to be up?



"But, since it is all laid out in the rules before you purchase your ticket, there shouldn't be any issues".

ummm no, its not all laid out.  the questions i asked were not difficult but has yet to be answered. that is sad that my question "who does the safety inspection and when and where?" even needed to be asked..... along with signing the liability form.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 13, 2016, 10:40:34 PM
The safety inspections will happen in the Depoe Bay boat ramp parking lot the morning of the tournament.  On Friday night we will have a captain's meeting at the Chinook Bend RV Resort were will go review the safety inspection procedure, you will meet the safety inspectors. 

In the days to come I will start a post describing in excruciating detail everything you need to know about the safety inspection.

As for the raffle, as raffle prizes start showing up from our sponsors we will star posting them.

Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 13, 2016, 10:55:40 PM
i can see that being a problem for one, those that cannot make the captains meeting. i.e.... those that drive to the morning of. couple things that should have been made clear the requirements of before u start asking for registration money. its really going to take DAYS? to come up with the excruciating details? registration is open and someone is taking our money . this  safety inspection of who knows what can disqualify if not passed according to orc rules but u don`t know the details?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Noah on June 13, 2016, 11:38:03 PM
i can see that being a problem for one, those that cannot make the captains meeting. i.e.... those that drive to the morning of. couple things that should have been made clear the requirements of before u start asking for registration money. its really going to take DAYS? to come up with the excruciating details? registration is open and someone is taking our money . this  safety inspection of who knows what can disqualify if not passed according to orc rules but u don`t know the details?
You need to chill. This event is being put on by volunteers that have busy lives outside of nwka. They're having to deal with insurance companies and a ton of work to get this event organized. Captains meetings the night before have been the norm for the last few years. Safety inspections are needed because there was a ton of morons last year in shorts and tee shirts that threaten our ability to have such an event. Show up and fish and have a good time. If you think ORC is about prizes you're missing the point completely.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: INSAYN on June 14, 2016, 05:41:41 AM
Thanks for being transparent with the breakdown of the $50 entry fee.  Last year this was a sore spot with many.

Also the layout of winnings sounds very fair to me. 

I would highly suggest adding the required use of an air horn for outbound/inbound travel, as from what I can find this is required by the Coast Guard, even more so than the VHF channel 80 hail. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 14, 2016, 05:56:09 AM
 safety inspection question should have been easy to answer but guess was not? being so makes me wonder. years past was the coast guards inspection if am not wrong. i asked about that. this year tournament organizer?? clarification please. whats needed? geezuz! i ask a couple q`s and get hit with being too complicated, asked somebody to come up with excruciating details and told to chill.   its going to be done at the ramp the morning of??
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 14, 2016, 07:20:31 AM
Thanks for being transparent with the breakdown of the $50 entry fee.  Last year this was a sore spot with many.

Also the layout of winnings sounds very fair to me. 

I would highly suggest adding the required use of an air horn for outbound/inbound travel, as from what I can find this is required by the Coast Guard, even more so than the VHF channel 80 hail.

I've fished out of Depoe bay half a dozen times or so and have never heard anyone use a horn, be they power boat, kayaker, or Coastie.  They always call out on 80.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Noah on June 14, 2016, 07:23:24 AM
my safety inspection question should have been easy to answer but guess was not? being so makes me wonder. years past was the coast guards inspection if am not wrong. i asked about that. this year tournament organizer?? clarification please. when/where? whats needed? geezuz! i ask a couple q`s and get hit with being too complicated, asked somebody to come up with excruciating details and told to chill.
Makes you wonder what? Coast Guard inspections have never been required, they're optional inspections the CG does at the ramp one They said they will post all the details in a few days. They will. The tournament isn't tomorrow, please be patient.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Noah on June 14, 2016, 07:33:40 AM
Let's trust that the organizers are working diligently to put together the best tournament possible, while making sure all safety and liability issues are covered. None of them are doing so because organizing events are fun. They're doing so for the NWKA community, so all of us can go out and fish and have a great time.

Do people know who "the organizers" are? It's not some evil corporate entity looking to ruin your good time. It's N-dogg, Craig, Wobbler, Bsteves, guys most of you have fished with. Please trust they have the best interest of the NWKA community in mind. Let's try to stay positive this year and remember the spirit of ORC is about fishing with your NWKA brothers and sisters while raising money for great charities.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Justin on June 14, 2016, 07:50:22 AM
Let's trust that the organizers are working diligently to put together the best tournament possible, while making sure all safety and liability issues are covered. None of them are doing so because organizing events are fun. They're doing so for the NWKA community, so all of us can go out and fish and have a great time.

Do people know who "the organizers" are? It's not some evil corporate entity looking to ruin your good time. It's Rawkfish, N-dogg, Craig, Wobbler, Bsteves, guys most of you have fished with. Please trust they have the best interest of the NWKA community in mind. Let's try to stay positive this year and remember the spirit of ORC is about fishing with your NWKA brothers and sisters while raising money for great charities.

Word up. I could really care less about the tournament part. I love getting together and doing some fishing.

Thank you to all that help to put this together.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: browneyesvictim on June 14, 2016, 08:08:03 AM
I guess we all know now who is getting a swift purple nurple with fish grips!  >:D
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Adam12 on June 14, 2016, 08:40:04 AM
Huge thanks to the ORC organizers!  Thank you for the great breakdown of tournament rules and requirements.  This tourney is always a highlight of the year for me and I can't wait for Jul 9.   :banjo:

Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Captain Redbeard on June 14, 2016, 09:04:06 AM
Not really a question, but Thank You to the event organizers for the rules and information.

A small point of clarification that probably mostly affects me: I assume the rules for tandem boats are the same as previous years, and I further assume that the signaling device and VHF requirement are per kayak, not per person. Please let me know if it is otherwise so I can arrange a VHF for Mrs. Redbeard.

I can understand the anxiety of someone who hasn't done this before wanting answers to questions. But I also understand the reality of what the organizers are trying to do. I'm looking forward to hearing about the prizes too, and no, that doesn't mean that's "what it's all about" for me, but it's called a tournament, not a barbeque. When that information comes in it will be welcome, and until then we'll just have to sit tight.

On the boundaries: It is unfortunate we had to reign that in a bit, but that's still plenty of water even for 120 participants, and I appreciate the clear definition and even a map for visual aide.

I'm going to pray for good weather and I'm looking forward to seeing all of you on the water.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Cosmo on June 14, 2016, 09:06:53 AM
A few questions for a ORC First Timer. 

My plans have just changed and I may be able to do the ORC for the first time this year:

1.  Is it still possible to register for the event?

2. Is there still any availability at the Chinook Bend Camp ground for the night before?

3. Is it realistic to drive down the day of the event, or do I need to be there on Friday night for a pre-tournament meeting/inspection, etc?

Sorry for the newbie questions, but just want to make sure on these things.

Thanks
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 09:13:01 AM
Hey Cosmo,

To answer your questions...
1.) Yes, we just opened registration so there spots left.
2.) Yes, there will be plenty of tent camping available at Chinook Bend. If you're planning on bringing a full RV, those spots do go quickly.
3.) We would prefer if you joined us for the Captain's Meeting on Friday night at the camp ground to go over the rules and expectations.  Those that attend will also receive a Captain's bag of schwag from our sponsors.   However, if that is just not possible, you can drive down the morning of the event.  We will have someone manning the check out / weigh in tent all morning long.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 09:18:24 AM
Captain Redbeard,  you are correct... a single VHF, bailing device, invasive species permit, and safety flag per kayak.   The PFD, immersion gear, and fishing license requirements are per contestant.   I'll see if I can tweak the rules to reflect that distinction.

Note the rule (3.m) about landing your own fish unless you are disabled or under 16.  That pertains to a tandem as well.   
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Cosmo on June 14, 2016, 09:19:46 AM
Thanks Bsteves. 

If I'm only bringing my kayak and vehicle, do I need to make a separate camping reservation?

Also, what time is the captains meeting?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: FireFly on June 14, 2016, 09:21:42 AM
Thanks Bsteves. 

If I'm only bringing my kayak and vehicle, do I need to make a separate camping reservation?

Also, what time is the captains meeting?
You can check in at Chinook Bend and pay for tent camping when you arrive. Captain's meeting is usually after 7 in the evening if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 09:26:34 AM
Cosmo,

We will be posting the full schedule of events soon.  The Captain's Meeting will be at 7 pm on Friday night at the Chinook Bend RV Resort by the pavilion.

You can pay for camping when you arrive, but you might get a discount for making a reservation and mentioning that you are with Northwest Kayak Anglers tournament.   I'll have to double check on that discount.

If you don't want to camp at all but want to attend the awards ceremony and raffle on Saturday night, you can do that by letting the folks at the campground know that your just visiting for that reason.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: FireFly on June 14, 2016, 09:26:46 AM
I do have a question though.....

Will HOW be doing a spaghetti feed Friday night and breakfast burritos on Sunday morning again?  :o
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 09:28:10 AM
I do have a question though.....

Will HOW be doing a spaghetti feed Friday night and breakfast burritos on Sunday morning again?  :o

I really hope so, but I haven't heard from them yet.   We will post something as soon as we know.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: FireFly on June 14, 2016, 09:28:48 AM
I do have a question though.....

Will HOW be doing a spaghetti feed Friday night and breakfast burritos on Sunday morning again?  :o

I really hope so, but I haven't heard from them yet.   We will post something as soon as we know.
Thanks bsteves!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Captain Redbeard on June 14, 2016, 09:38:29 AM
Captain Redbeard,  you are correct... a single VHF, bailing device, invasive species permit, and safety flag per kayak.   The PFD, immersion gear, and fishing license requirements are per contestant.   I'll see if I can tweak the rules to reflect that distinction.

Note the rule (3.m) about landing your own fish unless you are disabled or under 16.  That pertains to a tandem as well.

Got it, exactly my expectation, thank you.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: lil_cowboy on June 14, 2016, 09:56:25 AM
Just checking, but I just registered on the link that you guys sent out yesterday june 13th for the tournament. It still says that it is next adventure. I thought that the registration was not through them anymore.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 10:08:12 AM
Just checking, but I just registered on the link that you guys sent out yesterday june 13th for the tournament. It still says that it is next adventure. I thought that the registration was not through them anymore.
That is the correct registration link.  The folks at Next Adventure are still a major sponsor of the ORC this year and one of the things that they are helping us with is hosting the registration page.   

They have however, stepped back on running things as they did last year.  All questions about rules, prizes, activities, etc.. should be directed to the organizing committee which consists solely of NWKA members.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Noah on June 14, 2016, 10:08:38 AM
I do have a question though.....

Will HOW be doing a spaghetti feed Friday night and breakfast burritos on Sunday morning again?  :o

I really hope so, but I haven't heard from them yet.   We will post something as soon as we know.
Yes on the spaghetti feed. I'm not sure on the breakfast burritos yet, Ling Banger should chime in soon.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: lil_cowboy on June 14, 2016, 10:16:45 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 14, 2016, 04:46:48 PM
With the addition of cash prizes there is the potential for certain unintended consequences.  It can attract folks who are not in it for the camaraderie, and it can encourage cheating in various forms.  I believe this happened at Albion, California in 2014.  People showed up there and contributed nothing to the potluck at the banquet yet ate copious amounts of food anyway, which is obviously a dick move. 

Requiring the belly cavity to be open should cut down significantly on certain types of cheating, but other types, such as holding fish caught on a different day for weigh-in, are still possible.  There is something about cash prizes that brings out the worst in some people.

Question:

Has the committee considered the potential unintended consequences of offering cash prizes and developed measures to mitigate potential problems? 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: onefish on June 14, 2016, 04:57:36 PM
It would be cool to see this go more toward a great get-together and fund raiser and less of a "competition".  Just a cool unique trophy/plaque/carving whatever for the winners and shift the dollars to go toward a bigger raffle which would raise more $$.

It's really about some great fishing, killer tacos and cold brewskis for me.  Supporting 2 great causes is awesome!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 05:36:08 PM
It would be cool to see this go more toward a great get-together and fund raiser and less of a "competition".  Just a cool unique trophy/plaque/carving whatever for the winners and shift the dollars to go toward a bigger raffle which would raise more $$.

It's really about some great fishing, killer tacos and cold brewskis for me.  Supporting 2 great causes is awesome!

Well, just start praying for a cruddy marine forecast the day of the event.  Our back up plan this year is a big potluck get together with a killer raffle for charity.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 05:54:29 PM
With the addition of cash prizes there is the potential for certain unintended consequences.  It can attract folks who are not in it for the camaraderie, and it can encourage cheating in various forms.  I believe this happened at Albion, California in 2014.  People showed up there and contributed nothing to the potluck at the banquet yet ate copious amounts of food anyway, which is obviously a dick move. 

Requiring the belly cavity to be open should cut down significantly on certain types of cheating, but other types, such as holding fish caught on a different day for weigh-in, are still possible.  There is something about cash prizes that brings out the worst in some people.

Question:

Has the committee considered the potential unintended consequences of offering cash prizes and developed measures to mitigate potential problems? 

We have thought quite a bit about this sort of thing.  Our biggest concern is safety and eliminating some of the less prepared anglers that have shown up to the event in the past and paddled out in just street close to fish our event.  Our rules are much stricter in that regard.

Yes cash prizes are incentives, but so is giving away things like kayaks as prizes.  For many reasons this is why we are shifting more towards a raffle.  The $2000 kayak and paddle package from Wilderness/Adventure Technology we have as our top featured raffle prize is worth much more than the top cash prize for the tournament.

As for the potluck... I'll be too busy reinforcing the tournament rules to worry about proper bring a dish to pass etiquette.   
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 14, 2016, 06:24:39 PM
It should go without saying that the volunteers get a pass on bringing a potluck dish. You apparently think I'm a bigger asshole than I actually am.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 14, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
Sorry, I meant I'm not going to have time to worry about enforcing the pot luck.  But I see how what I wrote might have been unclear.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: INSAYN on June 14, 2016, 10:35:58 PM
It should go without saying that the volunteers get a pass on bringing a potluck dish. You apparently think I'm a bigger asshole than I actually am.


So with that well said (and I completely agree with it), those folks reading this thinking nobody will notice a freeloader doing a dine and dash....please think again.  There are a lot of folks here that have volunteered for various tasks over the years to know who you are at the end of the day.

If you don't want to be perceived as such, please take the time to create a great side dish, or volunteer to help with cleanup at the minimum.  The food prep, cooking and serving is all ran by volunteers, clean up crews can really be an asset and you WILL be remembered as such.  If you bring a great dish to the potluck, you may make history and be remembered for it as well.  We like SPICY!!!!  So don't skimp on the seasoning.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: SamM on June 15, 2016, 07:22:33 AM
No questions from me at this point - seems most everything is very well covered in the ORC Update thread.  Thanks to all of the organizers!

If you don't want to be perceived as such, please take the time to create a great side dish, or volunteer to help with cleanup at the minimum.  The food prep, cooking and serving is all ran by volunteers, clean up crews can really be an asset and you WILL be remembered as such.  If you bring a great dish to the potluck, you may make history and be remembered for it as well.  We like SPICY!!!!  So don't skimp on the seasoning.

And for those wondering, here's the thread for offering up your great dish and services:
http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=17430.0 (http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=17430.0)

-Sam
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Captain Redbeard on June 15, 2016, 09:01:43 AM
It's really about some great fishing, killer tacos and cold brewskis for me.  Supporting 2 great causes is awesome!

I don't see how anything about that is at odds with having a good strong competition. But I seem to get in this argument every year. For some of us competing is fun, just like it's also fun to support the causes and hang out by the fire eating fish tacos. The one thing doesn't preclude the other.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 15, 2016, 09:15:16 AM
understand safety inspection takes place at the ramp the morning of. any idea what the safety inspection will be yet?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: onefish on June 15, 2016, 09:18:09 AM
Could not agree more.  I was just commenting on the cash prize comment from Crash.   Competing and promoting yourself is part of the game for many.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: onefish on June 15, 2016, 09:19:33 AM
And, that's enough about the freakin' inspection already.  Too much coffee this morning.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 15, 2016, 09:24:29 AM
understand safety inspection takes place at the ramp the morning of. any idea what the safety inspection will be yet?

I am working on this.   In light of my other posts where my every sentence has been dissected, I'm trying to be careful of how I say things.   However,  for now, I will point you to the rules.  We will be making sure everyone is complying to these rules during the safety inspection.

http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=17843.0

In particular...

Sections 3a - 3f  which lists required safety items...

3. While on the water each participant must:
   a. Wear immersion gear appropriate to Oregon coastal surface water temperatures
   b. Wear a Coast Guard approved personal floatation device (PDF) at all times. The PFD must be type I, II, III, or inflatable life vest as defined by the US Coast Guard
   c. Carry on their person a functional marine band handheld VHF radio and monitor channels 80, 72, and 16 while adhering to proper VHF radio communication procedures
   d. Carry a signaling device on their person
   e. Fly a safety flag
   f. Carry on their kayak a bailing device
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 15, 2016, 09:25:02 AM
agreed,would be good to get answers. never enuf coffee!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 15, 2016, 09:30:47 AM
how about 2A which will be taking place at the ramp the morning of. last year was abit of a cluster just looking for the signout sheet. I can def see conflict between 2A and F. I have read the rules. just asking for
 little specifics on tournament requirements.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: FireFly on June 15, 2016, 09:34:52 AM
how about 2A which will be taking place at the ramp the morning of. last year was abit of a cluster just looking for the signout sheet. I can def see conflict between 2A and F. I have read the rules. just asking for
 little specifics on tournament requirements.
The State Police are usually standing at the ramp and they give your gear and kayak a once over before launching. As long as you have what was stated in the rules above by bsteves as far as safety gear, you will be fine.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 15, 2016, 11:36:15 AM
am going to hit my head against the wall now. firefly it has been said that a tournament organizer will conduct the safety inspection which eventually details of what that will entail will be coming? we do know that this safety check will be at the ramp the morning of. more to come am sure. for now more coffee!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Noah on June 15, 2016, 11:48:36 AM
how about 2A which will be taking place at the ramp the morning of. last year was abit of a cluster just looking for the signout sheet. I can def see conflict between 2A and F. I have read the rules. just asking for
 little specifics on tournament requirements.
The State Police are usually standing at the ramp and they give your gear and kayak a once over before launching. As long as you have what was stated in the rules above by bsteves as far as safety gear, you will be fine.
Those folks are actually the Coast Guard and those inspections are optional.

am going to hit my head against the wall now. firefly it has been said that a tournament organizer will conduct the safety inspection which eventually details of what that will entail will be coming? we do know that this safety check will be at the ramp the morning of. more to come am sure. for now more coffee!
I would assume the organizers will have an area roped off to the left or right of the ramp. I would guess you will roll your boat in and they will visually check to see if you have the following:

a. Wear immersion gear appropriate to Oregon coastal surface water temperatures
   b. Wear a Coast Guard approved personal floatation device (PDF) at all times. The PFD must be type I, II, III, or inflatable life vest as defined by the US Coast Guard
   c. Carry on their kayak a functional marine band handheld VHF radio and monitor channels 80, 72, and 16 while adhering to proper VHF radio communication procedures
   d. Carry a signaling device on their person
   e. Fly a safety flag on their kayak
   f. Carry on their kayak a bailing device
   
Seems fairly simple to me. I'd imagine it should take less than a minute if you have all your ducks in a row. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 15, 2016, 11:50:01 AM
am going to hit my head against the wall now.

Yes, the parking lot is going to be really busy in the morning.  With 120 potential participants, I don't see how it could be otherwise.    If that much commotion sets you off, then launch a bit later.  By 7 am things are pretty relaxed.

Yes, the safety check is more complex this year, but given the choice between a bit of hassle in the morning on dry land and proper safety concerns, I'm choosing safety.

These are the rules of the tournament as put forth by the ORC organizing committee.  If you have issues with them or don't trust our ability to put this tournament on, then maybe this isn't the tournament for you. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: INSAYN on June 15, 2016, 12:00:24 PM
On a side note for those that are scrambling to figure out a way to mount a flag to their kayak, here is a method I suggested several times over the years. 

Just get yourself a chunk of red or orange fabric/plastic. If you can't locate a simple flag, try this: 
See your local Goodwill and just buy a cheap shirt that is made of either of these colors. 
Cut out a big square or pendant from said shirt.

Fold over one edge roughly an inch and sew it down, or just glue it down.
Poke two or three holes along that edge and install Duo-loc snaps that then be attached to the tip of your spare rod held above you in a rod holder. 

If you only fish with one rod, no problem.  While you are at Goodwill or hit up a garage sale for a used fishing rod.  Slap your flag on that one and just plop it in a vertical rod holder. 

Bob's your uncle!   ;)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 15, 2016, 02:50:03 PM
"These are the rules of the tournament as put forth by the ORC organizing committee.  If you have issues with them or don't trust our ability to put this tournament on, then maybe this isn't the tournament for you."

that is a nice attitude ya got there.
I absolutely have no issues other than trying to get an answer to what the safety inspection will entail. that now has finally been answered. I was not replied back with maybe a "will get back with you on that" would have sufficed oh well. registration for $$ was up rules were up but on a couple rules, like 2A were vague. til now, I envisioned a MAJOR clusterfuck at the ramp depending on what the safety inspection by the tournament organizer would be. that's why I asked especially after last year with just the signout sheet. not shit was said. excuse the fuck out of me for bringing something up and asking! I don`t understand what the problem is/has been. maybe participation in the tournament this year is not for me. on a side note has anyone thought about or care to post signage(maybe at the ramp on/near paybox or also the fish cleaning room) of the upcoming orc to warn others i.e. powerboaters, that might want to make plans to fish elsewhere that day?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: RoxnDox on June 15, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
Painter - relax, man...  Some of your questions came across as very abrupt, not looking like you had any great amount of trust in the organizers to provide answers, and sounding overall pretty darned impatient.  Whether that's true or not, it's how they came across. 

So - everyone who's going down there - relax, have a beer, enjoy yourselves, and remember it is all supposed to be *fun*...

Jim (I won't be there, got no dog in that fight!)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Tinker on June 15, 2016, 05:39:13 PM
On a side note for those that are scrambling to figure out a way to mount a flag to their kayak, here is a method I suggested several times over the years.

[SNIPPED]

Those bamboo sticks (for gardens) make a good flag pole.  Pennies at Wally World.  Sometimes free at garden centers.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Pinstriper on June 15, 2016, 06:07:44 PM
Home depot sells an orange flag for cheap that you tie to a long load. Biner thru the grommet on any kind of stick and you have a safety flag.


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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 15, 2016, 08:38:35 PM
Quote
on a side note has anyone thought about or care to post signage(maybe at the ramp on/near paybox or also the fish cleaning room) of the upcoming orc to warn others i.e. powerboaters, that might want to make plans to fish elsewhere that day?

It was done long ago. The Harbormaster is aware of it and advised that it will be done. One of us will reach out again prior to the event with a helpful reminder. If you are going to be out there and want to take this upon yourself a few days prior to the event, again we would love the help. Just let us know. We will even provide you with the sign. 

On that note, I would like to thank all the other people that have volunteered to take on other duties to help make it a great event.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 15, 2016, 09:17:07 PM
craig,  i spoke with harbormaster last weekend when i was there, i know he is aware and all. but no signs around. when cleaning fish i always have told others around there the day of orc. and have posted on another website the last couple months to get word out as much as possible to the p.b. community. i would def. take u up on offer to post a sign up at the ramp and the fish cleaning blding if i were going out in the near future, not sure when am going next, i almost never do. but i do know signage out there and as much heads up as orc can give the other users of depoe bay would be highly appreciated. give em a chance for no surprises early in the morning or possible any time of that day ya know? thanks for offering to provide signage, hopefully someone going out there before orc can do this.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 15, 2016, 09:42:04 PM
Thanks for doing that. We are also going to try ans secure parking in a lot above. I parked there last year because it said "Park Here." It was a vacant lot and I thought they were using it for overflow. The sign was gone when I got back and I got a nasty note on my car. Anyways, it is a quick walk down from there and that would leave more spots for the boat trailers.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: INSAYN on June 15, 2016, 09:56:37 PM
Wonder if DB City Hall would allow overflow parking on Saturday game day?  They are right at the top of the hill across from the Shell station just before you start down towards the launch parking area. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: SteveHawk on June 15, 2016, 10:57:42 PM
When Jeff, Nate, Brian, Craig and I volunteered to organize the ORC this year.  Our goal was to return it back to the community event that it originally was. This tournament is a group event where everyone needs to pitch in in order for it to run smoothly.  Whether it be a the whole group, you as an individual or local businesses like Next Adventure it will take us all to make it work.

At this point I would like to say thanks to Andrew, for shouldering the burden of the Taco feed. That is a chore all to itself. (By the way, I can bring down a burner and fry tub)

Brian, thanks for taking the time to address everyone concerns and striving to produce crystal clear transparency.

We appreciate your patience and willingness to step up and try some new ideas. Please don't hesitate help out if you see a need.

Thanks for listening.
Wobbler
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bluewrx02 on June 16, 2016, 06:35:50 AM
Big thanks to the organizers. All of them have a full time job and a family that needs their attention also. Please be patient while waiting for answers on your questions.  They are a great bunch of guys!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: smokeyangler on June 16, 2016, 07:34:36 AM
+1, Thanks for for all of the hard work and time organizing this event. I'm just happy to fish with a bunch of like minded Yak Fishing Addicts. Keep up the good work and can't wait for ORC!!!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on June 16, 2016, 07:58:44 AM
At this point I would like to say thanks to Andrew, for shouldering the burden of the Taco feed. That is a chore all to itself. (By the way, I can bring down a burner and fry tub)

Steve - Thanks for that!  I added you to the list for the fryer and burner.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 16, 2016, 08:00:02 PM
Big thanks to the organizers. All of them have a full time job and a family that needs their attention also. Please be patient while waiting for answers on your questions.  They are a great bunch of guys!
Had we known about your sabbatical, you may have been organizing it. ;)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: williamesch on June 16, 2016, 08:56:46 PM
Is there going to be sweet pint glasses like last year?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bluewrx02 on June 16, 2016, 09:01:35 PM
Big thanks to the organizers. All of them have a full time job and a family that needs their attention also. Please be patient while waiting for answers on your questions.  They are a great bunch of guys!
Had we known about your sabbatical, you may have been organizing it. ;)

Wait, what? Sabbati what?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on June 16, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
Is there going to be sweet pint glasses like last year?

The beakers from 2 years ago were awesome!  I still have mine.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: siebler on June 16, 2016, 11:13:33 PM
Is there going to be sweet pint glasses like last year?

Next Adventure will be again sponsoring the pint glasses yes.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Noah on June 17, 2016, 07:07:44 AM
Is there going to be sweet pint glasses like last year?

Next Adventure will be again sponsoring the pint glasses yes.
Awesome!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Justin on June 17, 2016, 10:29:05 AM
What is the backup plan for bad weather? Thanks!

If you're superstitious and think i just jinxed it, i dont care. I'll also eat a banna out there.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 17, 2016, 10:34:47 AM
Yaquina Bay. That has been the fall back for the event the last few years. However, we need to find out first if the insurance will cover it. You could always fish it for fun if the ocean blows out. The tides work out well because it is incoming at the end of the day so it will be easy getting back to the launch. Just remember if you are new to fishing bays, the current can be strong and we don't wan't to see anyone getting spit out over the bar.
(http://www.tides.net/graph/1794/2016/07/9_lg.png)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: smokeyangler on June 18, 2016, 05:52:23 PM
I  just registered and can't find the attached waiver form on the e mail they sent me.   I looked through the posts and couldn't find anything.  Do I need to contact Next Adventure?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 18, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
I  just registered and can't find the attached waiver form on the e mail they sent me.   I looked through the posts and couldn't find anything.  Do I need to contact Next Adventure?

Please don't contact Next Adventure yet. Give us a chance to figure this out. We will let you and everyone else know if there is a glitch ASAP.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: smokeyangler on June 18, 2016, 07:37:02 PM
I just wanted to make sure I didn't overlook something.  Thanks for working on this.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 18, 2016, 09:17:41 PM
No, you didn't. The ACA (the insurer) requires all of the original waivers to be sent to them right after the event so scanned and emailed waivers won't cut it. We also don't want a bunch of things mailed to one of our houses where we may misplace it, or the dog eats it. They will be available at the Captain's meeting and at the launch. We will post a copy to read ahead of time when we get a chance. I don't have it sitting in front of me, otherwise I would.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: pmmpete on June 21, 2016, 09:45:41 AM
Because I've never fished out of Depoe Bay before, I'm going to go there a couple of days early to get familiar with the area.  Will there be somebody at Chinook Bend from whom we can get a map (preferably a bathymetric map) showing the boundaries of the tournament area, and any other nearby areas where it might be fun to fish?  Could you make such a map available on the internet?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 21, 2016, 09:56:32 AM
Because I've never fished out of Depoe Bay before, I'm going to go there a couple of days early to get familiar with the area.  Will there be somebody at Chinook Bend from whom we can get a map (preferably a bathymetric map) showing the boundaries of the tournament area, and any other nearby areas where it might be fun to fish?  Could you make such a map available on the internet?


Here are the tournament boundaries..


If you have a fish finder / chart plotter with an SD card, I can provide an appropriate file type so that you can load those boundaries.  I'm heading to Alaska for a week, but I should have time to get you a map file.  If you're impatient for me on that...

Attached is the KML file for the following Google Map.  Use that in conjunction with this site to make your own..
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/gpsbabel/


As for bathymetry...

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18520.shtmlhttp://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18520.shtml

or the Navionics web app to preview what is on Navionics chips for the area.
https://webapp.navionics.com/?lang=en


Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Tinker on June 21, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Thank you, Brian! and have a safe trip.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 21, 2016, 11:17:20 AM
Could we just have the northern and southern longitude boundary lines to put into the GPS? IF it was in your links I couldn't find it.  No rush.  Thanks.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: pmmpete on June 21, 2016, 12:00:42 PM
BSteves, I'm still in the stone age, or more accurately the paper age, where mapping is concerned, but was able to take a screen shot of the Depoe Bay area of the Navionics map, and mark on it what appear to be the tournament fishing boundaries, based on your aerial photo map.  Did I get the boundaries right?  Someplace in the blizzard of ORC postings was a posting which stated that the southern fishing boundary is Whale Cove, the northern fishing boundary is Rabbit Rock, and the western fishing boundary is 20 fathoms (120 feet).

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i444/pmmpete/ORC%20Bathymetric%20map_zpstm4t9w5c.jpeg) (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/pmmpete/media/ORC%20Bathymetric%20map_zpstm4t9w5c.jpeg.html)

I'm going to print and laminate this map and your aerial photo boundary map for use on the water.  I have them in a Word document, and can e-mail them to anybody else who would like them.  Send me a message with your e-mail address if you want me to send you the maps.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 21, 2016, 01:37:34 PM
BSteves, I'm still in the stone age, or more accurately the paper age, where mapping is concerned, but was able to take a screen shot of the Depoe Bay area of the Navionics map, and mark on it what appear to be the tournament fishing boundaries, based on your aerial photo map.  Did I get the boundaries right?  Someplace in the blizzard of ORC postings was a posting which stated that the southern fishing boundary is Whale Cove, the northern fishing boundary is Rabbit Rock, and the western fishing boundary is 20 fathoms (120 feet).

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i444/pmmpete/ORC%20Bathymetric%20map_zpstm4t9w5c.jpeg) (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/pmmpete/media/ORC%20Bathymetric%20map_zpstm4t9w5c.jpeg.html)

I'm going to print and laminate this map and your aerial photo boundary map for use on the water.  I have them in a Word document, and can e-mail them to anybody else who would like them.  Send me a message with your e-mail address if you want me to send you the maps.

From the rules thread:

Quote
   n. Observe and remain within the tournament fishing boundaries as follows:
      i. No fishing is allowed in the transit channel between the bell buoy directly west of the harbor entrance and the harbor entrance
      ii. Southern fishing boundary: Cove Point
      iii. Northern fishing boundary: Northernmost edge of the Worldmark Resort buildings
      iv. Western fishing boundary: Water depth of 100 feet

The map you made looks pretty close to correct using the map and locations from the rules.  Just not the landmarks you mention.  Rabbit Rock is way north of the line on your map and whale cove is well south.  The area for competition has been reduced considerably.  Also the depth is 100 feet, not 120.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: pmmpete on June 21, 2016, 02:14:55 PM
From the rules thread:

Quote
   n. Observe and remain within the tournament fishing boundaries as follows:
      i. No fishing is allowed in the transit channel between the bell buoy directly west of the harbor entrance and the harbor entrance
      ii. Southern fishing boundary: Cove Point
      iii. Northern fishing boundary: Northernmost edge of the Worldmark Resort buildings
      iv. Western fishing boundary: Water depth of 100 feet

The map you made looks pretty close to correct using the map and locations from the rules.  Just not the landmarks you mention.  Rabbit Rock is way north of the line on your map and whale cove is well south.  The area for competition has been reduced considerably.  Also the depth is 100 feet, not 120.
Sorry, I quoted an outdated definition of the tournament area boundaries in my prior e-mail.  Looks like the north boundary is as shown below:

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i444/pmmpete/ORC%20north%20boundary%20aerial_zpsn840yiw9.gif) (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/pmmpete/media/ORC%20north%20boundary%20aerial_zpsn840yiw9.gif.html)

Here’s a revised version of my tournament area map.  Does this look correct?

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i444/pmmpete/ORC%20tournament%20area%20map_zpsg6vx90bo.gif) (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/pmmpete/media/ORC%20tournament%20area%20map_zpsg6vx90bo.gif.html)

I have put the aerial photo map of the ORC tournament area and my marked up Navionics map in a Word document, and am going to print it off and laminate it for use on the water.  If anybody wants these maps, send me a personal message with your e-mail address, and I'll e-mail the Word document to you.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 21, 2016, 02:43:58 PM
Yep, that looks pretty good. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Dark Tuna on June 21, 2016, 02:53:39 PM
Because I've never fished out of Depoe Bay before, I'm going to go there a couple of days early to get familiar with the area.  Will there be somebody at Chinook Bend from whom we can get a map (preferably a bathymetric map) showing the boundaries of the tournament area, and any other nearby areas where it might be fun to fish?  Could you make such a map available on the internet?


Here are the tournament boundaries..

<snip>

If you have a fish finder / chart plotter with an SD card, I can provide an appropriate file type so that you can load those boundaries.  I'm heading to Alaska for a week, but I should have time to get you a map file.  If you're impatient for me on that...

Attached is the KML file for the following Google Map.  Use that in conjunction with this site to make your own..
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/gpsbabel/


As for bathymetry...

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18520.shtmlhttp://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18520.shtml

or the Navionics web app to preview what is on Navionics chips for the area.
https://webapp.navionics.com/?lang=en
Garmin Basecamp accepted your KML file and gives me an Export option.  Save to GPX and attached.   Later today I'll try putting this on my Dragonfly.

(Drop the .txt off the end of the file name to make it a .gpx, which is just an XML file)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 21, 2016, 03:22:20 PM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7aLjw2IQ-QDek1fRjdJbS11M28

Looks like the forum didn't like my KML attachment.  Here is a link to that KML file.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bb2fish on June 21, 2016, 05:06:24 PM
I loaded the GPX map that Dark Tuna converted.  What's the waypoint that's in the SE corner on Land (Unnamed Road SE of Indian Trail Road)?  Is that where the weigh in and check in will be held??
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 21, 2016, 05:22:03 PM
I loaded the GPX map that Dark Tuna converted.  What's the waypoint that's in the SE corner on Land (Unnamed Road SE of Indian Trail Road)?  Is that where the weigh in and check in will be held??

That is the tsunami evacuation site.  It was an insurance application  question.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bb2fish on June 21, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
I loaded the GPX map that Dark Tuna converted.  What's the waypoint that's in the SE corner on Land (Unnamed Road SE of Indian Trail Road)?  Is that where the weigh in and check in will be held??

That is the tsunami evacuation site.  It was an insurance application  question.
Is that gonna be on the ORC test?   ;D  Hey, at least I'm reading the information your providing, and in case of Tsunami, now everyone knows.
Thanks!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 21, 2016, 05:34:07 PM
It was an insurance application  question.

What an extremely odd thing for an underwriter to be concerned about for a single day one off event.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: rawkfish on June 21, 2016, 06:08:00 PM
It was an insurance application  question.

What an extremely odd thing for an underwriter to be concerned about for a single day one off event.

Any one particular item isn't necessarily a point that an insurance provider is asking for.  It's more about covering every reasonably possible scenario to show that the organizers have a comprehensive grasp of the safety concerns involved with an event.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 21, 2016, 06:55:36 PM
on the registration page it has a pic of the north boundary about in the middle of the hotel complex( like rules say.....on the north side of the worldmark hotel. on the pic in the above post it shows border on the north side of the thundering shores hotel....just north of the entire hotel complex(worldmark/blue pacific/thundering shores????? which is it? hopefully this is not too much of a burden to get clarification on? does anyone else see the same thing? no answer required for me as i plan to fish south anyway.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 21, 2016, 07:30:55 PM
Yes you are correct. There are two slightly different KML files. I did not fill out the insurance application, so I will let bsteves make the change to what it should be according to what was declared.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on June 21, 2016, 07:35:02 PM
no rush for answers, never was/am. that was super quick tho. thx craig!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 21, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
You are welcome. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 21, 2016, 09:31:32 PM
It was an insurance application  question.

What an extremely odd thing for an underwriter to be concerned about for a single day one off event.

Any one particular item isn't necessarily a point that an insurance provider is asking for.  It's more about covering every reasonably possible scenario to show that the organizers have a comprehensive grasp of the safety concerns involved with an event.

The insurance application asked if we had an evacuation plan.  Probably referring to river flood evacuations for white water events.  Depoe Bay has a tsunami evacuation plan and I followed that.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 21, 2016, 09:35:35 PM
Yes you are correct. There are two slightly different KML files. I did not fill out the insurance application, so I will let bsteves make the change to what it should be according to what was declared.

There should only be one 2016 KML file.  Pmmpete'smap is slightly off.  However it is going to be really hard to enforce an exact line in front of a specific building.  If you out in front of the buildings your probably okay, but getting a bit close to the line.  However, if your farther out, say on the point, you went to far.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: pmmpete on June 21, 2016, 09:54:01 PM
From the rules thread:

Quote
   n. Observe and remain within the tournament fishing boundaries as follows:
      i. No fishing is allowed in the transit channel between the bell buoy directly west of the harbor entrance and the harbor entrance
      ii. Southern fishing boundary: Cove Point
      iii. Northern fishing boundary: Northernmost edge of the Worldmark Resort buildings
      iv. Western fishing boundary: Water depth of 100 feet

Here are Google Earth aerial photos of the buildings in the area of the north boundary of the tournament fishing area (north is on the left).  Is the "Northernmost edge of the Worldmark Resort buildings" the last building on the left (north) in this picture, or the north edge of some other building? If it isn't the last building on the north, I can tweak my map.

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i444/pmmpete/ORC%20North%20boundary_zpsri3iwq4a.gif) (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/pmmpete/media/ORC%20North%20boundary_zpsri3iwq4a.gif.html)

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i444/pmmpete/ORC%20North%20half_zpsbyw7vhzb.gif) (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/pmmpete/media/ORC%20North%20half_zpsbyw7vhzb.gif.html)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: williamesch on June 22, 2016, 10:05:14 PM
so i know the top raffle is going to be the yak, but i was curious on what happens if we dont have the full 120 competitors? Do we have to have that many in order for it to be raffled, or does it matter at this point?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 22, 2016, 10:52:02 PM
so i know the top raffle is going to be the yak, but i was curious on what happens if we dont have the full 120 competitors? Do we have to have that many in order for it to be raffled, or does it matter at this point?

The raffle will happen no matter what.  The cash purse for the tournament winners however will be affected by attendance.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: blownglass on June 23, 2016, 07:41:19 AM
What's up with registration ?

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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Matt M on June 23, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
What's up with registration ?

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You can register here:
http://nextadventure.net/portland-kayak-school-oregon-rockfish-classic
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: blownglass on June 23, 2016, 08:02:27 AM
I thought next adventure wasn't involved this year

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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: FireFly on June 23, 2016, 08:06:11 AM
I thought next adventure wasn't involved this year

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Its right on the front of ORC 2016 post which is also posted on the Forum home Page

http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=17843.0
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Dark Tuna on June 23, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
Sorry if this is a repeat question but I cannot find it posted (maybe it was in last year's post).

What's the alternate plan if the bar's restricted?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Dark Tuna on June 23, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
Sorry if this is a repeat question but I cannot find it posted (maybe it was in last year's post).

What's the alternate plan if the bar's restricted?
Found it!   Yaquina Bay!

Of course I found that answer while looking for something else.   :-\
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: blownglass on June 23, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
Well I'm all registered and got my camp site reservation at Chinook bend camp .
I'm super excited .. This will be my first tournament and the first time I get a chance to meet and fish with any of the other members in person . super stoked


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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on June 23, 2016, 08:45:58 PM
Well I'm all registered and got my camp site reservation at Chinook bend camp .
I'm super excited .. This will be my first tournament and the first time I get a chance to meet and fish with any of the other members in person . super stoked


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Jacksonville?  We should meet up...
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: blownglass on June 23, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
Yep Jacksonville . you in the area ?

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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Adam12 on June 24, 2016, 07:53:34 AM
Well I'm all registered and got my camp site reservation at Chinook bend camp .
I'm super excited .. This will be my first tournament and the first time I get a chance to meet and fish with any of the other members in person . super stoked


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You won't be disappointed!  The ORC is an absolute blast.  I feel like the actual fishing part comes in second to hanging out with a bunch of exceptional people. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: PNW on June 25, 2016, 01:37:14 PM
Sorry I'm a little behind the curve. Is there a link to the waiver form?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on June 27, 2016, 05:32:41 PM
Sorry I'm a little behind the curve. Is there a link to the waiver form?

Wavers need to be signed and collected at either the Captain's meeting, or the morning of the event. Your choice.  The reason for this is because the insurance company requires us to provide the original to them after the tournament. Therefore, we could not do the scan and email option. Also, none of us wants a mailbox full coming to our houses which we then have to keep track of especially when my dog likes to rip up paper things. :)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: PNW on June 28, 2016, 11:36:49 PM
Sorry I'm a little behind the curve. Is there a link to the waiver form?

Wavers need to be signed and collected at either the Captain's meeting, or the morning of the event. Your choice.  The reason for this is because the insurance company requires us to provide the original to them after the tournament. Therefore, we could not do the scan and email option. Also, none of us wants a mailbox full coming to our houses which we then have to keep track of especially when my dog likes to rip up paper things. :)
Okee-dokee. See you at Ninkasi this weekend?
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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Cosmo on June 30, 2016, 09:28:04 AM
I may have missed this, but where can we find the waiver?  Is there a link somewhere?

Thanks.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Matt M on June 30, 2016, 09:29:18 AM
Sorry I'm a little behind the curve. Is there a link to the waiver form?

Wavers need to be signed and collected at either the Captain's meeting, or the morning of the event. Your choice.  The reason for this is because the insurance company requires us to provide the original to them after the tournament. Therefore, we could not do the scan and email option. Also, none of us wants a mailbox full coming to our houses which we then have to keep track of especially when my dog likes to rip up paper things. :)
I may have missed this, but where can we find the waiver?  Is there a link somewhere?

Thanks.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Cosmo on June 30, 2016, 09:36:11 AM
Thanks Matt.  If I understand correctly, we can only pick them up at the tournament?  Thanks.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Matt M on June 30, 2016, 09:42:44 AM
That's how I understand it, they want a real signed copy and they would rather have it all done at the tournament rather than having it sent somewhere and possibly lost.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on June 30, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
Okay,  there have been a lot of questions about the waiver.   We are running the waivers and insurance through the American Canoe Association (ACA).   Attached are two waivers, one for adults and one for minors.   All tournament staff, participants, and volunteers need to sign the waiver.

You'll notice at the top that there are a bunch of membership options.  Unless you want to join the ACA as a full member, than you'll be checking the last option "ACA Event Membership for $5".  This is the $5 for insurance that is already included in your registration fee.  If you are already an ACA member, please bring your ACA membership card and we will refund your $5 insurance fee.   If you want to join the ACA on the spot we can figure out a way to collect the remainder of your full membership fee.

At the bottom of the waiver you will want to be sure to fill the following out...

Activitiy Description ... "Oregon Rockfish Classic"
Sponsoring Organization ... "Northwest Kayak Anglers"
Activity Date ....   "9 July 2016"

Please feel free to print and fill these out ahead of time, but don't email to us before the ORC.   The ACA needs the original copies and scanned copies won't work.    I also don't want to have to keep track of them yet.

Thanks,
Brian
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Cosmo on June 30, 2016, 09:59:44 AM
Thank you.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Seahorse on July 01, 2016, 09:53:17 PM
Hi all,
I have not posted for a really long time, lots of new names here this year! Really looking forward to ORC, we had such a great time in 2014! I will not be participating in the tourney this year, but I would like to toss a line out in the river by the camp site, I have some questions though. Is there wheelchair access to the camp site dock? Can anyone tell me what I should target for? Any other bank/dock fishing ideas for any of us not in the tourney?? I haven't had a line in the water for two years now, gotta get this done!!
Thanks everyone!
Lori, aka-Seahorse, aka-Mark's other half  =)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Cosmo on July 02, 2016, 07:02:34 PM
In the tent area at Chinook Bend Campground, are there any picnic tables and fire pits?  I'm trying to figure out which camping gear I can leave behind.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: williamesch on July 02, 2016, 07:25:38 PM
In the tent area at Chinook Bend Campground, are there any picnic tables and fire pits?  I'm trying to figure out which camping gear I can leave behind.

Last year the tent sight i aquired had both. I believe there are some that dont have both though. Ill be there friday trying to snag a good spot if you want me to try to snag you one.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Mark Collett on July 02, 2016, 08:55:41 PM
In the tent area at Chinook Bend Campground, are there any picnic tables and fire pits?  I'm trying to figure out which camping gear I can leave behind.

  you can always share a fire and a table with your new neighbors. That is half the fun of camping at Chinook Bend-- making new friends and sharing a campfire. Or you can bring your own too. Some folks just rove from one campfire to the next and make a whole bunch of new friends. Your choice.........
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Dark Tuna on July 02, 2016, 09:15:51 PM
Aren't we supposed to bring the junk jigs to ORC to check them out?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: dampainter on July 02, 2016, 09:28:14 PM
tent areas are very limited with picnic tables. there was one in the tent only area last week.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: INSAYN on July 02, 2016, 11:09:30 PM
Aren't we supposed to bring the junk jigs to ORC to check them out?

I think we should move this line of questioning back to the junk jig thread. We could easily steer the good ol' ORC train off its tracks.  8)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on July 03, 2016, 10:20:12 PM
Aren't we supposed to bring the junk jigs to ORC to check them out?

I think we should move this line of questioning back to the junk jig thread. We could easily steer the good ol' ORC train off its tracks.  8)

That has never happened before. ;D  That being said, the organizers of the main tourney have nothing to do with junk jigs. Uness something has changed of which I am not aware. If people have a side bet going, that is cool. How about junk jig with barby rods...but in a different thread. ;)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Merz on July 04, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
Do we need to be registered by a certain day/time? I'm still not positive I can make it, because of work, so I want to wait a few more days if i can. Is there risk of filling the 120 spots before friday?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 04, 2016, 02:27:55 PM
There are currently 38 spots left and I don't know how many people are holding out for the marine forecast.

I will need to discuss with the organizing committee about when the online registration closes and if we are accepting registration in person FRiday or even Saturday morning.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: INSAYN on July 04, 2016, 06:04:22 PM
There are currently 38 spots left and I don't know how many people are holding out for the marine forecast.

I will need to discuss with the organizing committee about when the online registration closes and if we are accepting registration in person FRiday or even Saturday morning.

I know I don't have any say in this, however with as much work as you guys have put into this already I would suggest putting a cap on it by Friday at the start of the captains meeting speech.

No reason doing the registration shuffle with stragglers that have commitment issues late Friday or worse in the morning.   
Everyone should have made the decision to commit by Friday morning before they left home.  The marine forecast isn't going to drastically change in 24 hours.
 

Done...
Reg closed...
Lets go fishing!!!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: MonkeyFist on July 05, 2016, 07:24:00 AM
I just tried to register, says there are 36 spots left.

Won't register.

This activity must be booked at least 96 hours in advance.

Perhaps someone could address this?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on July 05, 2016, 11:00:46 AM
I will try to fix it now.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on July 05, 2016, 11:08:23 AM
Next Adventure is going to try to fix it now, so please be patient. All of their classes have a 96 hour cut-off, and we didn't realize that when we asked to use their payment site.  I have not yet registered myself so I will attempt in a little while and let everyone know. Also, I told them to close registration at 11:59 pm Thursday (7/7/2016), because we need a headcount for the event. Thank you all for your patience and again, thank you for your help Next Adventure.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 05, 2016, 11:39:30 AM
Seems to be fixed now.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on July 05, 2016, 12:30:20 PM
Customer service is alive and well. ;D
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Skipper on July 06, 2016, 08:02:13 AM
When will a decision be made on a weather cancellation or postponement for the ORC?

Saturday 7/9/2016:
Per Weather Channel "Periods of rain. High near 60F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.

Per NOAA: Possibly a thunderstorm.

South winds have been known to get worse than predicted.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Zach.Dennis on July 06, 2016, 08:09:31 AM
When will a decision be made on a weather cancellation or postponement for the ORC?

Saturday 7/9/2016:
Per Weather Channel "Periods of rain. High near 60F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch.

Per NOAA: Possibly a thunderstorm.

South winds have been known to get worse than predicted.

 The subject is talked about in this forum

http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=17987.msg193738;topicseen#new
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on July 06, 2016, 12:47:23 PM
So remind me on the limits in OR.  Is it still 2 lings plus 7 combined of the rest of the species for the tournament (of which only 1 can be a cabezon)?  Lings are 24" minimum?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sherminator on July 06, 2016, 12:54:40 PM
22" minimum on lings. Lings are NOT part of the below bottom fish limit.

Bottom fish: 7 fish in aggregate, of which only 1 may be a cabezon, only 1 may be a canary rockfish, and no more than 3 may be blue rockfish. Retention of yelloweye, China, quillback, and copper rockfish is prohibited.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 06, 2016, 12:57:53 PM
Limits
2 lings
7 rockfish complex (rockfish, cabezon, greenling)

Sub-limits on the 7
1 cabezon
1 canaray rockfish
3 blue rockish
No yelloweye rockfish
No canary rockfish
No copper rockfish
No quillback rockfish

Size limits..
22+ in  on lingcod
16+ in  on cabezon
10+ in  on greenling
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: crash on July 06, 2016, 01:00:34 PM
1 canary no China

Mark selective coho retention is open so bring your combined or hatchery cards and have barbless rigs ready.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on July 06, 2016, 01:04:46 PM
Thanks guys!  I won't be targeting salmon, so probably won't have barbless rigs.  If I hook one incidentally do I have to release it if caught on barbed bottom fish gear?

Interesting they're allowing retention of Canary, but not China rockfish.  Up at Hobuck the Chinas are everywhere, almost a nuisance. 
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: rawkfish on July 06, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
The Oregon and Washington rules state that if you catch a salmon it needs to be on a barbless hook, otherwise it needs to go back. Also, once you have a salmon onboard, you are then required to fish for your bottomfish using barbless hooks.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on July 06, 2016, 01:35:20 PM
OK, guess any incidental salmon go back in the water then.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 06, 2016, 01:37:51 PM
Fish with your big bottom gear first with barbs for lingcod and cabezon...  when you switch to catching your big black rockfish higher up in the water column a bit, make sure your hook is barbless in case of an accidental salmon.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on July 06, 2016, 01:42:31 PM
Are salmon jaws strong enough to lip grip, or would I need a net if I wanted to land one?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 06, 2016, 01:46:11 PM
Salmon jaws aren't very robust.

If you have a big salmon net, it's not a bad choice anyway for landing big lings.   
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on July 06, 2016, 01:57:17 PM
Salmon jaws aren't very robust.

If you have a big salmon net, it's not a bad choice anyway for landing big lings.   

Says the man with the largest salmon net on earth that doesn't require a smaller vessel to help deploy it. ;)
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 06, 2016, 02:00:07 PM
It can double as a hammock at camp too
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: INSAYN on July 06, 2016, 02:27:47 PM
 If you are quick, you can lip grip the salmon and toss in your lap. Then leg lock him. 

I have a 100% success rate with this technique.  ;)

No net needed.  ;D

Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: jsmccormick on July 06, 2016, 03:31:11 PM
Tried to find this but couldn't unless I missed it. So the captains meeting is around 7 on Friday if I'm correct. Is that required and are we missing anything if we don't go to that? And do we have a rough time when potluck and raffle are starting for those who decided not to go out and fish but still plan on coming to those? Thanks!
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: craig on July 07, 2016, 07:01:26 AM
If you paid your registration, you can submit your raffle tickets. We will have a list of all that paid. Also, contestants and others can buy additional raffle tickets, too.  I do not think the captain's meeting is necessary, but we will make a determination of whether or not it is a go Friday night. If you show up at the launch Saturday  and no one is there to register you, that means the weather has caused a cancellation.  All other aspects will still be held and we will get you your captain's bag.

Note: if I am wrong on any of this, the other planners can correct me.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Captain Redbeard on July 07, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
If this has been answered already apologies; I haven't seen it.

If the official event is cancelled, where does the money that would have been paid out to the top 10 places go? It's not particularly important to me, I was just curious.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: sumpNZ on July 07, 2016, 12:50:02 PM
If this has been answered already apologies; I haven't seen it.

If the official event is cancelled, where does the money that would have been paid out to the top 10 places go? It's not particularly important to me, I was just curious.

That and the ramp fees.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 07, 2016, 01:01:34 PM
Approximately $16.66 (1/3) of the registration fee is ear marked for the tournament cash prizes and $2 for parking fees.  The parking is tricky in that the harbor wants that paid on Friday so the timing might be tricky.

If the tournament is canceled, we have discussed 3 options.

1.) Cash Refunds...  this is a logistical nightmare the day of the tournament.  I suppose we could figure it out using Next Adventure's system later on, refunding to your credit cards.  I don't know what happens to the processing fees.

2.) Direct donation to HOW and Neighbors for Kids...  This is the easiest, not too exciting, but it would be going to good causes.

3.) Refund everybody with more raffle tickets.  This is our preferred method as it is easy to implement, our charities would still get the donation, and our sponsors would get more ROI.

We might also use part of that money (~$150) to rent the barn at Chinook Bend for the evening and get us out of the weather for the potluck and raffle.

Brian
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Captain Redbeard on July 07, 2016, 03:02:24 PM
Thank you for the info. I'm sure y'all will do the best thing. For my part I'm happy with any of those outcomes, but my vote would be one of the options where the money goes to the charities.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Casey on July 07, 2016, 07:27:42 PM
Total bummer about the ocean being upside down this weekend... Do you think there is any chance of another event like this in the near future?


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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 07, 2016, 08:29:17 PM
There's a similar event held at Sunset Bay (near Coos Bay) in August.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: lil_cowboy on July 08, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
Is there still a captain's meeting tonight at chinook bend campground at 7:00 pm or where and when can we get our captains bag. What time is the raffle and dinner going to be on Saturday. Is there still a chance that the tournament is still going to go on. I am just trying to get an idea how to plan my weekend. Sorry for bringing this up again.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: FireFly on July 08, 2016, 09:44:36 AM
Is there still a captain's meeting tonight at chinook bend campground at 7:00 pm or where and when can we get our captains bag. What time is the raffle and dinner going to be on Saturday. Is there still a chance that the tournament is still going to go on. I am just trying to get an idea how to plan my weekend. Sorry for bringing this up again.
^^^Yes. Still a Captains meeting tonight...tournament will be determined tonight at the meeting....I wouldn't trust the forecast....someone just posted pre fishing pics on Coos Kayak of this morning. Ocean looks flat compared to the forecast. Bummed now that I canceled and made other plans  :-[
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: lil_cowboy on July 08, 2016, 09:46:39 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Captain Redbeard on July 08, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
Gale watch in effect for tomorrow, everything trending towards larger swell and more wind waves. Just sayin'. Primary 7ft@10s, wind waves 6ft@6s Saturday.
https://www.wunderground.com/MAR/PZ/255.html

The Depoe Bay "bar" is currently unrestricted, however.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/marine/BarObs.php
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Spot on July 08, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
Gale watch in effect for tomorrow, everything trending towards larger swell and more wind waves. Just sayin'. Primary 7ft@10s, wind waves 6ft@6s

That's actually an improvement from last night's forecast for Saturday...
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Deluxeharley on July 08, 2016, 05:38:45 PM
Coast guard currently has the bar restricted
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Casey on July 08, 2016, 07:52:46 PM
I'm still planning to come out tomorrow even though we can't fish. What time will the festivities at camp start now that we won't be on the ocean? I don't want to leave home at 4:00am just cause... I'm sorry if this question has already been answered and I didn't see it.


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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Casey on July 08, 2016, 07:54:25 PM
And to those that went over today, how's the ocean look?


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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Casey on July 08, 2016, 08:07:55 PM
There's a similar event held at Sunset Bay (near Coos Bay) in August.
Good to know, thanks!


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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: fogbank on July 08, 2016, 08:36:54 PM
Does anybody have more info, I.e. Dates for the Sunset Bay tournament?
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Nobaddays on July 08, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
I'm still planning to come out tomorrow even though we can't fish. What time will the festivities at camp start now that we won't be on the ocean?

We are eating at 4pm at the barn as you come in.  Raffle afterwards
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: Casey on July 08, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
I'm still planning to come out tomorrow even though we can't fish. What time will the festivities at camp start now that we won't be on the ocean?

We are eating at 4pm at the barn as you come in.  Raffle afterwards
Thank you for the info.


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Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: surf12foot on July 08, 2016, 10:11:48 PM
Does anybody have more info, I.e. Dates for the Sunset Bay tournament?
   Aug. 27th. Look on facebook - Angler of the Day Sunset Bay Tournament.
Title: Re: ORC questions
Post by: bsteves on July 11, 2016, 10:02:57 AM
For those interested in the Coos Bay Angler of the Day tournament on August 27th, here is the Facebook page link..

https://www.facebook.com/events/1706615516288839/