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Kayak Fishing => Product Discussions => Topic started by: demonick on June 28, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
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Seattle Sports Scupper Pup cart
http://www.seattlesportsco.com/productcart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=76
Got this for my T13A. Worked fine until it went "off-road", then had issues on short off-road excursions. The first was a 1/4 mile walk from Richmond Beach park back up to the parking lot with only the first 100 feet off-road. Wheel fell off due to tar ball gumming up the wheel keeper. The second was yesterday on a 50 yard trek from road to water across sand, pebbles, and small fist sized rocks. One of the uprights bowed.
Also, all the joints very quickly became loose, and one of the knurled steel retaining screws stripped out. This caused the cart to not track straight, but crab slightly. The tubes are aluminum, the axles and wheels are plastic, but the retaining screws are steel. Go figure. The salt quickly rusted and trashed the threads on the steel screws.
This cart is only suitable for light duty and fresh water, such as the trip from storage to vehicle and back on a hard surface. Even short off-road treks will very quickly take their toll.
I'm now in the market for another cart - something stout. Lot's of threads turned up on a "Wheeleez" search. Past threads addressed a number of questions. The question of balloon tires (11.8" dia, Kayak Cart-Beach) or flat-proof tires (10" dia, Kayak/Canoe Cart) is answered by the kind of surface to be traversed. Seems there is loose sand just about everywhere I want to put into the salt.
However, hatch stowage only seems to be solved by going with the mini Wheeleez and I'm not sure it is stout enough and wide enough to haul a fully loaded T13 (anchor system, a couple crabs pots and caught crabs, FF/battery, milk crate/tackle, full fish bag, etc.). I guess I've answered my own question and the issue of walk it back, stash it, or lash it can be worked out later.
http://www.wheeleez.com/canoe-kayak-cart.php
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i'm thinking it might be time for a DIY rebuild of this golf cart... lighter battery, scrap the frame for PVC, keep the wheels... http://www.hallsongolf.net/batcaddy_x3r.htm
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Seems there is loose sand just about everywhere I want to put into the salt.
Yeah, I've heard that.
They call it "Beach" ;D
(sorry couldn't resist)
I do not own a pair of wheeleze or rolleez, but I have used them and they are superior. The bigger tire is better than the smaller one, but both work!
From what I've seen, storage is just bungee them in the back 40 (tankwell). The Cobra's with the big "A" hatches are probably the only boats that you could try to store them inside the hull (or perhaps a trapped-inside) :dontknow:
Oh, and screws suck. Use these:
(http://www.wheeleez.com/images/axleQuickPins-150px.jpg)
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The Wheeleze Beach is the one I have and it's great. The type you decide to buy should be determined by where you launch the most. If it's a sandy beach then the choice is obvious. You will really appreciate how those wider tires handle pulling your yak through the sand.
If you're hauling it from a parking spot down to a rocky riverbank or lake, the other tires would be your best bet.
Why not get the beach cart and a set of the other wheels? Best of both worlds.
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From what I've seen, storage is just bungee them in the back 40 (tankwell). The Cobra's with the big "A" hatches are probably the only boats that you could try to store them inside the hull (or perhaps a trapped-inside) :dontknow:
Unfortunately the back 40 is occupied by milkcrate and rudder. Front 40 will often be occupied by crab traps. It's walk it back or stash it. I've got a cable lock, guess it goes on the check list.
Oh, and screws suck. Use these:
Even those won't help the Scupper Pup. The screws of which I speak are the ones that anchor both halves of the horizontal cross member into the T-joint on the main verticals. One wants this joint to be rigid, so screws are appropriate. Unfortunately rather than screw into a welded nut or even the heavy gauge metal of the far side of the T-joint the designers simply threaded the wall of the pipe which is thick enough for maybe 3 complete thread turns. These very quickly wear under the load, and they used aluminum pipes and steel screws which leads to electrolysis and swift corrosion. It would be a better cart and still fit in a hatch if each half cross member was simply welded into the T-joint.
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If you can, just make your own.. Then it can be a beefy as you want ;D
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If you can, just make your own.. Then it can be a beefy as you want ;D
Welding is on my short list of skills to learn. I may just pick up some gear, a book, and start at it. Any starting gear suggestions?
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Best thing to do is take a class at your local community college. I take about one a year in the winter (gets dark early, gotta do something). I took several "how to do it" classes and now just take the same "welding sculpture" class from the art department every year.
This way you get to learn the ropes on someone else's gear, make some mistakes while there is someone around to help you out, and try several types of welders/plasma cutters etc. etc.. This way you can find out what you like, and what will work for what you want to do, before you plunk down any cash. Speeds the learning curve way up..
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I have a PVC Ghettho built..rebuilt...rebuilt again..re modified cart that I can't part with for the life of me ::).
I think the most sturdy and easy to modify Ghetto Cart I have sen so far is a basic freight dolly with the foot cut out to fit the hull, lined with molded PVC.
But then, most of our "carting" is done on the street, or a fairly hard packed trail, few long haul beach launches here.
Maybe a rope descent if yer feelin' froggy ;)
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Look in the Drill'n and Cutting section here for my cart that I built from a granny walker. Heck I'll find the link for ya bro. http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,2448.0.html
(http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,2448.0.html)
I only needed a drill, metal saw and rivet gun. I have attached both my kayaks to this and beat tested the crap out of it on and off the curbs, off the deck, down stairs, and across river rocks. Then Yakintup and I used it to bounce our kayaks up and down the stairs at Devils Punch bowl. No issues with weakness. Solid!
I paid $10 for the stainless 5/8" axle, $4 or $5 bucks each for the wheels at Harbor Freight, and $8 for the Granny Cart from Good will. Couple of bucks for the pool noodle, and $6 for the straps from HF as well. The black webbing I had already and can provide you with some if you like. All you would need is to have someone sew them together so that they wrap around the aluminum tubing (Squidgirl maybe?). I riveted the webbing in place on the tubing after slipping them on, so that nothing would shift around.
Cheap strong and very light. Easy to store in the front hatch of the T13A with masses amounts of room to spare. Goes together relatively easy as well.
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If you can, just make your own.. Then it can be a beefy as you want ;D
Welding is on my short list of skills to learn. I may just pick up some gear a book and start at it. Any starting gear suggestions?
If you have the time, I'd be happy to spend a day teaching you how to weld with a MIG welder as well as cut with a plasma cutter. I've been doing metal fabrication since I was in HighSchool. Graduated in '90. Built many many toys for myself and would be happy to get you started. Very theraputic to me to tinker in the garage.
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I'm now in the market for another cart - something stout. Lot's of threads turned up on a "Wheeleez" search. Past threads addressed a number of questions. The question of balloon tires (11.8" dia, Kayak Cart-Beach) or flat-proof tires (10" dia, Kayak/Canoe Cart) is answered by the kind of surface to be traversed. Seems there is loose sand just about everywhere I want to put into the salt.
However, hatch stowage only seems to be solved by going with the mini Wheeleez and I'm not sure it is stout enough and wide enough to haul a fully loaded T13 (anchor system, a couple crabs pots and caught crabs, FF/battery, milk crate/tackle, full fish bag, etc.). I guess I've answered my own question and the issue of walk it back, stash it, or lash it can be worked out later.
Demonick- I have the mini-wheeleez cart with the 10" tuff-tires and it works on my fully loaded (I am primarily a bass guy afterall) P13 and it fits in my front hatch.
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I've had this cradle cart for a couple years, still works great. Not a big fan of steel carts; too heavy and they rust:
Kayak Carts (http://www.watermanatwork.com/KayakFishing/KayakRigging/KayakCarts/KayakCarts.html)
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Wow. I'm feeling the love. Thanks for all the suggestions and accounts. I would love to build my own, but time is short and so is my time. If is was winter, I'd take the project on, at this point I'll trade money for time.
I ordered the bigger one, Cart-Beach, and will see how it works out. If I decide walk it back or stashing it isn't working I'll try the mini and someone may get a good deal on the biggie.
I live quite close to Shoreline Community College and did not find a welding class in their catalog last winter.
Insayn, that's an insanely generous offer. If you're in Forest Grove, OR, which is the closest airport to where you live, Hillsboro, Twin Oaks, Chehalem, Newberg?
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Wow. I'm feeling the love. Thanks for all the suggestions and accounts. I would love to build my own, but time is short and so is my time. If is was winter, I'd take the project on, at this point I'll trade money for time.
I ordered the bigger on, Cart-Beach and will see how it works out. If I decide walk it back or stashing it isn't working I'll try the mini and someone may get a good deal on the biggie.
I live quite close to Shoreline Community College and did not find a welding class in their catalog last winter.
Insayn, that's an insanely generous offer. If you're in Forest Grove, OR, which is the closest airport to where you live, Hillsboro, Twin Oaks, Chehalem, Newberg?
There's 2 in Newberg. I can drive to Craigs house and watch you guys practice cuttin' stuff!!! If I'm not fishing, I might as well be pretending.
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Wow. I'm feeling the love. Thanks for all the suggestions and accounts. I would love to build my own, but time is short and so is my time. If is was winter, I'd take the project on, at this point I'll trade money for time.
I ordered the bigger on, Cart-Beach and will see how it works out. If I decide walk it back or stashing it isn't working I'll try the mini and someone may get a good deal on the biggie.
I live quite close to Shoreline Community College and did not find a welding class in their catalog last winter.
Insayn, that's an insanely generous offer. If you're in Forest Grove, OR, which is the closest airport to where you live, Hillsboro, Twin Oaks, Chehalem, Newberg?
I don't know what kind of flights come and go from these little fields, or if you will be piloting a puddle jumper or not. Hillsboro would be the closest by far. I work near there and it takes me 25 minutes to get to work. Some of the other mentioned fields are closer to 35+ minutes away.
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These carts are quite nice as well. If you go through a lot of sand and soft dirt you can go for the dually option. I think it's RevoRoy who has the dually.
http://www.paddlecart.com/paddlecart.html
http://www.paddlecart.com/dually.html
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These carts are quite nice as well. If you go through a lot of sand and soft dirt you can go for the dually option. I think it's RevoRoy who has the dually.
http://www.paddlecart.com/paddlecart.html
http://www.paddlecart.com/dually.html
Those are slick looking. I like the BMX style of thread on the tires. 8)
Now if I could just force myself to practice with my aluminum welding. I haven't had a lot of need for aluminum fabrication, so I haven't honed that skill yet. If I did, I could make something very similar, as I do have a ProTools HD 105 tube bender in my metal working weapons collection as well. However, using mild steel would be a breeze to make something of that style.
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I ordered the bigger on, Cart-Beach and will see how it works out. If I decide walk it back or stashing it isn't working I'll try the mini and someone may get a good deal on the biggie.
With the Wheeleez, you just need to order different tires. No need to order a different frame.
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I don't know what kind of flights come and go from these little fields, or if you will be piloting a puddle jumper or not. Hillsboro would be the closest by far. I work near there and it takes me 25 minutes to get to work. Some of the other mentioned fields are closer to 35+ minutes away.
Piloting. Let me look over my schedule. I'm thinking of overnighting at the Hillsboro Red Lion. I've got a number of house projects in progress, plus some scheduled trips, plus TLW is returning home for a few weeks before taking off for a couple months to visit her parents, plus I've got a job. We are probably talking August.
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I ordered the bigger one, Cart-Beach, and will see how it works out. If I decide walk it back or stashing it isn't working I'll try the mini and someone may get a good deal on the biggie.
The mini does store nicely. However there are times I really wish I had the bigger wheels.
If you do decide you need the mini, let me know. I'd be happy to trade up and I'd even pay the difference in price.
Brian
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I don't know what kind of flights come and go from these little fields, or if you will be piloting a puddle jumper or not. Hillsboro would be the closest by far. I work near there and it takes me 25 minutes to get to work. Some of the other mentioned fields are closer to 35+ minutes away.
Piloting. Let me look over my schedule. I'm thinking of overnighting at the Hillsboro Red Lion. I've got a number of house projects in progress, plus some scheduled trips, plus TLW is returning home for a few weeks before taking off for a couple months to visit her parents, plus I've got a job. We are probably talking August.
My list is just about as long as yours. August sounds fine with me. If we don't get around to it this summer, there is always fall and winter.
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Those are slick looking. I like the BMX style of thread on the tires. 8) Now if I could just force myself to practice with my aluminum welding. I haven't had a lot of need for aluminum fabrication, so I haven't honed that skill yet. If I did, I could make something very similar, as I do have a ProTools HD 105 tube bender in my metal working weapons collection as well. However, using mild steel would be a breeze to make something of that style.
You really wouldn't have to bend the tube, you could just weld it in a V but I guess you need to use your bender for something! Aluminum is very easy once you get it down. Just make sure you use the correct diameter filler. If you have a spool gun for your mig machine you're set, it's just like FCAW at that point. Tig welding does look better, though. Post pics if you do build one!
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Followup. Wheelez arrived yesterday signature required which was a little annoying. Luckily the neighbor signed for it. The cart looks stout and the poly wheels look a little weird. Can't use it until Friday evening to drop crab traps, so will post a quick review after.
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You're gonna love it! I have a Wheelez Bach Cart too, rolls smooth over any terrain, but beach sand is best. The tires are as big as the tires on my neighbor's Smart car, but twice as wide! If you poke a hole in them, you can repair it yourself with a soldering iron (or a hot nail heated in the fire in the field). I still have a C-Tug as a back up for when someone swipes my Wheelez.
Cool thing about the Wheelez,
- you can balance the weight of the Yak on the cart so your shoulder doesn't get sore hauling out to the water.
- it floats! If it falls off the back of your yak, it won't sink into Davy Jones' Locker.
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Not going to be able to drop crab traps tonight. Forgot I had an appointment. May make a day drop Saturday. The tires look like something out of Roger Rabbit.
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Used the full sized Wheelez for the first time yesterday dropping crab traps off Richmond Beach. Much, much easier pull across the sand than the last cart. Tracking is straight and true. One can even push with ease and straight tracking - important for this particular launch location. I did not use the supplied straps but just a couple right-sized bungees. They did lose their grip when I snagged on a log and the cart was dragged back along the hull, but otherwise the bungees held firm. I think the straps will be for long hauls over much rougher ground than just beach sand and small rocks. The wheels fit inside the front hatch of the T13A, and the frame can lash over the front hatch. If lashing the frame to the deck remove the wheel pins and store them securely. I had one pop off when I was practicing in the garage. So far it's a winner. We will see what I think of it on Sunday, after three days of use around Bush Point.
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Thanks for the review demonick. Nice to know the full size wheels fit in the front hatch of the T-13. Sometimes it's a long walk back to the truck. And with the high price of the cart, (and all the knuckle heads around, >:D) you hate to leave it on the beach or try to chain it to a log.
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An addendum to my mini-review of the full size Wheelez.
The pins holding the wheels on SUCK. Look at them the wrong way and the ring flips to the unlocked position. Lost one yesterday after nicking some brush. Used a leash clip as a temporary fix. And have had them flip up and fall out while lashing to the deck (found it that time). Do NOT leave them on the frame when disassembled - stick them somewhere safe and secure. Consider a short leash lashed to the frame, or a rubber band holding the ring from flipping.
Thinking I will find something else at the hardware store. A bent 16d or 20d nail should be a temporary solution. Even a small bolt and wing nut. Throw a few nails in the PFD and you're covered for loss.
Functionally, I am liking and appreciating the Wheelez more and more. Recently realized I can use the kick stand on the beach to stabilize the cart before lifting the yak onto it (DOH!).
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If your talking about these....
(http://www.wheeleez.com/images/axleQuickPins-150px.jpg)
They sound like they are not very good quality. I've used those kinds of clips on my baja and only lost
one to a pesky neighbor kid that stole it. Check you local hardware store for stronger ones for sure.
If they don't interfere with your wheel, you may want to try these instead.
(http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:3fdake-vGZZwXM:http://www.wilsonmfgco.com/hitchpins/images/WL2600.jpg)
Now, instead of sharp poky nails in your PFD to use as backups, I'd say get a few of these.
I have these on my cart and are actually a bear to get off. I have to hook a carabiner to the loop to get enough grip to pull it free.
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:C7UBpA3B5eDjMM:http://www.drillspot.com/pimages/2561/256153_300.jpg)
Or these, that can bent with your fishing pliers.
(http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:8lyGIomuGWfltM:http://www.chinafasteneronline.com/Cotter-Pin/QD4/Cotter-Pin.jpg)
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Thanks. Yes, Wheelez uses the ones in your first photo. They are stout enough, but if anything snags those rings they flip up.
Trip to the hardware store tomorrow on my way to NAPA for a new idler pulley (hopefully) , or a new water pump (hope not) for the truck. It is screeching like a banshee on startup.
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Thanks. Yes, Wheelez uses the ones in your first photo. They are stout enough, but if anything snags those rings they flip up.
Trip to the hardware store tomorrow on my way to NAPA for a new idler pulley (hopefully) , or new water pump (hope not) for the truck. It is screeching like a banshee on startup.
Before you plunk down hard earned cash at NAPA for your water pump, check prices at RockAuto.com. I have purchased water pumps and lots of other parts for two of my trucks over the years and found they have the best price even with shipping costs. Quick turn around as well.
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came across this cart a few minutes ago...
http://www.c-tug.com/
carried by Johnson - in the UK...
Thought it was a great lightweight setup, that should be inexpensive.. then i found a retailer...
hard (to me) to believe they sell that cart for £99.95 (US$165)
it does, however, give me some ideas on my own possible build...
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there are sevral retailers here in our region selling C-Tug. first to come to mind is one of our sponsors, outdoorplay.com, which is represented here by our member, alkaszasi. from dealing with them on numerous purchases, i can tell you that they are super folks to deal with and talk to.
last i saw, ( 3-4 months ago) the general list online was $149.00. i think r e i and nrs also are retailers.
sure it doesnt have the mondo wide beach wheels that everone is drooling over for their sometimes beach use, but this seems to be a rugged, light and strong cart that will fit easily into a front hatch on a sot.
as someone once said " you pays your money, you takes your chances."
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aah, thats what i get for not looking around too much. a cart isn't on my list til i get the yak :D
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aah, thats what i get for not looking around too much. a cart isn't on my list til i get the yak :D
A new meaning to..."The cart before the horse".
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Before you plunk down hard earned cash at NAPA for your water pump, check prices at RockAuto.com. I have purchased water pumps and lots of other parts for two of my trucks over the years and found they have the best price even with shipping costs. Quick turn around as well.
Bookmarked. Thanks!
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I can't recommend the Wheeleez beach (not mini) cart enough. You can buy others that are similarly priced but none match those HUGE pillowy tires. Last time I was in OR I had to go over 500 yards of beach and 100 yards of big softball size cobble stones and that cart ruled it all like a monster truck. Almost effortless in soft sand. I'd have been pissed if I had any other cart.
DN funny, I've never had any problems w/ the pins... they seem to gravitate to me. Found another one yesterday.. :laugh: most likely yours. Really though, I have heard some problems but not popping off as easily as you said. There was a problem where they went to a cheap plastic for their tires and they kept letting out air. But that was for a short time and now they're back to sturdy PVC.
Z
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While I like the looks of that C-Tug I really like what Zee and others have said about the Wheeleez.
We should see about getting this Club Special going
http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,490.0/topicseen.html