NorthWest Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing => For Safety's Sake => Topic started by: Ling Banger on November 26, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
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Saw this on a friend's FB page today.
https://youtu.be/EFu7fBKwPkA (https://youtu.be/EFu7fBKwPkA)
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Land Ho!
https://youtu.be/j0L_dqFcgBI (https://youtu.be/j0L_dqFcgBI)
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The Ocean one looks like the guy was a total jerk.the other one was wrong place wrong time.
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In the ocean video, it's interesting that the people on the boat failed to hear repeated blasts by the kayaker's air horn. Is this a common problem? Can people on a fast-moving motorboat not hear air horns?
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Maybe it's just coming back in after a long weekend, but when you watch the first one, the title at the beginning says "I made this video..." and I have to wonder if that's true. The message is a good one and many have had a boat come close with some actual hits, it just feels like this one might be a well prepared awareness tool produced by someone who who also looks for subscribers. You can't even see the boat coming without the red arrow of an incredibly well aimed camera. If you stood and used an air at that distance each time a boat was in the same range as that one (looks like 1/4 mile if you time the arrival), you'd have to be packing a lot of air! Pretty easy to see how the second one could have happened when the jerk was racing in the creek. The head camera catches the boat lose steering when the motor was shut down. It's about the same as when a dirt bike comes screaming around a curve on a forest road. Again, both good message regardless, just some question about the one made by by someone who promotes a kayak fishing site.
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In the ocean video, it's interesting that the people on the boat failed to hear repeated blasts by the kayaker's air horn. Is this a common problem? Can people on a fast-moving motorboat not hear air horns?
The high pitch of air horns does not carry particularly well. I've noticed at Depoe Bay that you can barely hear them from one end of the hole to the other. If there is a lot of traffic running over the bridge and the surf is slapping the rocks the signal is easily drowned out. The small horn on a can of air disperses the sound in a wide band and is ineffective to focus the signal directly at an oncoming hazard. Trains and ships have a much lower pitch with longer horns that are focused in the front where they are expecting obstacles. He probably would have had a better chance of getting the captain's attention using a vuvuzela. A safety flag might have helped also. The boat appears to be a dive charter and the engines were running at high rpm. it's possible that they might have had music playing as well, who knows. It's also possible that they were using some sort of auto-pilot if they run to the same dive sites on a daily basis and full attention was not being given to watching for navigation hazards.
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Maybe it's just coming back in after a long weekend, but when you watch the first one, the title at the beginning says "I made this video..." and I have to wonder if that's true.
I think it's legit. It's hard for most of us to imagine what a shit show it must be to kayak fish in the greater Miami area. Everybody and their mother has a boat, if it's not over powered you aren't cool. Tons of people go out expressly to party and boating under the influence is a big issue. I think people run gopros similar to how Russians run dash cams. If something goes down they want irrefutable proof instead of testimony.
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Regardless if staged or not, as the value of the lesson has nothing to do with that, it's a good reminder for boaters as well as kayakers. You raised multiple good points.
My head doesn't do "360s" anymore, but you learn the value of paying attention to what's going on in the area. It's tough when you're paddling vs 30+ mph.
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In the ocean video, it's interesting that the people on the boat failed to hear repeated blasts by the kayaker's air horn. Is this a common problem? Can people on a fast-moving motorboat not hear air horns?
Yes. You can't hear shit over outboards. This summer the only horn I heard while underway was the ferry, and even that was not clear. Mistook it for a buzzer on my instrument panel going off till I saw the ferry and the guy in front of it trolling.
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Oh, and one other thing, in the guy's YouTube comments there were geniuses yapping about who was on the right/wrong. Being in the right doesn't matter much if you're dead. Stay alert!
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That water looked about as wide as the Tualatin. Guys in the PB got what's coming IMO.
That said, being in the blind spot on the curve is not a great place to spend a lot of time. I wouldn't expect a boat like that on the Tualatin but it I was down in a bayou it wouldn't surprise me all that much. I've never been in those waters but I did watch a lot of Gentle Ben shows when I was a kid, and always wanted an air boat !
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I've seen a lot of stupidity. Maybe not a boat like that on the Tualatin but all it takes is an overpowered open boat to ruin a good day on a curve like that. I was surprised the guy hadn't paddled closer to shore on the inside of the curve. It was obvious he could hear the boat coming, though not from which direction.
I must confess, i the 2nd video I was really hoping for a "Crikey!". :-)
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Of course, this thread wouldn't be complete without dredging up Michael Rischer's near miss on the Willamette a few years ago.
http://youtu.be/ADSXNYtL-54
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Poop the bed, that was close!
Would be interesting to know the Paul Harvey ending!
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Another good reason to stay alert and wear a PFD. (scroll down for the video)
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/01/chilling_video_fisherman_jumps.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/01/chilling_video_fisherman_jumps.html)
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:angry5: I don't think I would be able to sue them, I would probably still be in jail from killing them, or at least beating to very near death.
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How incredibly flippant.
Larsen, a Roseburg resident, told The Oregonian/OregonLive by phone Friday that he wasn’t using his cellphone while driving his Bayliner and referred to such allegations as “fake news.” Larsen also said a lawsuit seemed unnecessary because the people in the Weldcraft weren’t hurt badly.
Put that old timer in a home, and now. He is a danger to everyone around him.
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:angry5: I don't think I would be able to sue them, I would probably still be in jail from killing them, or at least beating to very near death.
Same here. Can't believe that ass actually said he couldn't see, and THOUGHT IT WAS A VALID EXCUSE!!!
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I've seen a lot of stupidity. Maybe not a boat like that on the Tualatin but all it takes is an overpowered open boat to ruin a good day on a curve like that. I was surprised the guy hadn't paddled closer to shore on the inside of the curve. It was obvious he could hear the boat coming, though not from which direction.
I must confess, i the 2nd video I was really hoping for a "Crikey!". :-)
Down in the canals of the cali delta there are dummies like this on the daily. I coulnd't believe the speeds they would be traveling in these tight little waterways (and bass boaters seem to die every year during tourneys running like that). I would never fish the main places in a toon/kayak down there but I see all kinds out there.
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This happened on the Columbia this week.
http://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/2018/01/17/fisherman-who-jumped-into-river-to-avoid-oncoming-motorboat-sues-helmsman.html
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This happened on the Columbia this week.
http://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/2018/01/17/fisherman-who-jumped-into-river-to-avoid-oncoming-motorboat-sues-helmsman.html
Actually, it happened in August. The lawsuit happened this week.
-Allen
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For some reason, I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, but I had a very similar incident happen out at B10 in my kayak last year, 2017. It was August and I was bleeding a fish and dealing with some gear when I heard a motor getting closer and closer behind me. By the time I realized the motor was dangerously close, I turned around and a 30ish foot cabin-cruiser (very similar to the one in the Astoria video) shot past me, plowing with the bow way high and the trim all wrong, and missed me by about 5 feet going around 25mph. I had no time to react, except to ride the wake luckily upright. When they went by it was obvious that they had no idea that I existed or what had almost happened.
There is absolutely nothing I think I should have done differently. I had a six foot flag and I was amongst a couple hundred boats trolling or drifting at the same speed.
I am still going to assault this fishery again next year.
Don't know what I am trying to say here but this happened.