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Is it illegal to use a cast net to catch bait in Washington? 

"What do you use for bait for bait?"


the sabiki rig is the bait, for bait.... i think what Zee is sayin, is jig 'em up on the sabiki, , fill the cooler with local water, toss the herring in, then use as needed.. kinda like a live well w/o the flow pumps... ??

for those who don't know; it's that 4- 6ft piece of line with about a dozen little mylar or other type of flashy fly tied on very sharp little hooks that get stuck on everything, including you,  if you dont carefully control it, can usually pick them up in larger tackle stores that sell stuff to salt water guys. heck, i think even freddies has them in sporting goods at times.

and here , i thot we couldnt use live bait for anything in the state..

time to go read the regs again....

Is it illegal to use a cast net to catch bait in Washington? 

Yes. Dip nets are allowed for "forage" fish- anchovy, sand lance, herring, sardine and smelt. Mesh size no more than 5/8" stretched, on a hoop frame no more than 36" across.

Is it illegal to use a cast net to catch bait in Washington? 

Hey, Lee? i'm starting to think you might wannna look here; http://wdfw.wa.gov/fish/regs/2009/2009sportregs.pdf

also, think it was you , might be wrong, who mentioned drop shotting style fishing for salmon/steelies....... but, anyway, it's looking like it might be illegal under the new anti snagging laws to actually put your weight below your bait!? here's the extract off the page that will open when you click that link...

New for 2009
STATEWIDE RULE CHANGES
Non-buoyant Lure restriction is now Anti-Snagging rule -
The non-buoyant lure restriction has been replaced by a new Anti-
Snagging rule. This rule requires anglers to use one single-point
hook unless fishing from a floating device (boat, float tube, etc.),
where 2 single-point hooks are allowed. Hooks must measure
¾” or less (point to shank) and must be attached to or below the
lure or bait. Weights may not be attached below or less than 12”
above the lure or bait. This new rule applies to all gear, whether
it floats or sinks, whether or not bait is used. In most areas, the
Anti-Snagging rule applies to all species with the exception being
the mainstem Columbia River, from Bonneville Dam to McNary
Dam, in where it applies only to anglers fishing for salmon and
steelhead. Check the Special Rules section for the water you wish
to fish for details.
Use of Live Aquatic Animals for Bait - Anglers may not use
or possess live aquatic animals as bait in fresh water, with the
following exceptions: live sand shrimp are allowed; live forage
fish may be used in the Columbia River downstream of the Rocky
Point/Tongue Point line; and live aquatic animals (other than fish)
collected from the body of water being fished may be used. See



regarding your cast net, it looks like it's illegal, you can only use a "dip net" here's that extract;


You May Not:
Snag or attempt to snag fish.
Use a net, except a dip net to land legallyhooked
fish or a forage fish dip net.
Use drugs, explosives, or poison that may
kill or injure fish and wildlife.
Use any type of chemical irritant to harvest fish,
shellfish, or unclassified marine invertebrates
unless a special exception has been made by
the Director.
Fish with a rod not under your immediate control,
or leave your gear unattended.
Fish for salmon , sturgeon , octopus , or
Crab in saltwater with underwater spearfishing
gear.
Fish for game fish, salmon , shad,
sturgeon , or shelfish with bow and
arrow or spear.
Use a gaff hook, except to land legally-hooked
halibut , tuna, or dogfish shark that will be
retained.
Use a hering rake or a smelt rake.
Use a crossbow to harvest fish or shellfish.

btw, you won't find the '09/10 wash state rules in our links like the other states that are covered by our site.you'll have to go online and look for the wdfw site..  think that was an oversight but oh well , our maintainer crew can't do everything and be everywhere all the time. they do a great job as it is.. with little thanks from us most of the time.

anyways, sorry to be a wet blanket, but hope this helped.

Met up with Charliefl66 and his friend Will this morning.  Fished north of the Tulalip bubble.  

From where did you launch?  The Tulalip marina?  

I haven't had a chance to check out the Tulalip Marina for a launch site.  I'll have to do that as it's probably going to be just a trace closer to our target beach than Kayak Muni. Park, which is where we launched from.  The plan for now is to either go back up there this Friday morning, or to go to Mulkilteo or maybe Picnic point.  If we go to Spee-Bi-Da Beach (our northern target) then we'll be throwing buzz bombs from the beach at high tide.  If we go to Mulkilteo/Picnic Pt/Shipwreck Pt, then it's a trolling situation.

Since I'm not set up to troll and don't want to spend the money to get that way, I'll be trying to retreive some live herring with the sabiki rig and then mootching to what ever depth I'm locating fish.  This plan is going to require that I get convinced that the sabiki, with it's weight neccessarily at the bottom end, has not been rendered illeagal by this new writing of the anti-snagging rules.  The rule also talks about not having more than two hooks on one line.  Could be that sabiki rigs are RIGHT out from now on.  Thanks a LOT, Richard!  Just kidding    But for real, I gotta check that rule.

Fishin-T

WR - I never mentioned anything about a weight below the hook.  I only drift in the rivers (WDFW has a webpage that shows you how)  I only asked about the cast net because thats how we caught bait in South Carolina when I was a kid.   

I'm actually pretty good about reading the regs, some things just seem alien to me.  Like not being able to fish with more than one pole.  That one threw me for a loop.  Why does it matter how many poles you use if you adhere to the daily limit???   

"What do you use for bait for bait?"

the sabiki rig is the bait, for bait....
for those who don't know; it's that 4- 6ft piece of line with about a dozen little mylar or other type of flashy fly tied on very sharp little hooks that get stuck on everything, including you,

and here , i thot we couldnt use live bait for anything in the state..

time to go read the regs again....

I have made my own sabiki rigs, so no little mylar flies.  In warmer climes I've baited them with little bits of octopus, squid, or fish, but I don't know what herring feed upon.  I like to make my own so I can use heavier line that does not tangle as readily as the very light lines on the ready-mades.

Looks like the sabiki rigs are A-OK perfectly legal for catching forage fish on the sound.  The new anti-snagging rules apply in the rivers, not on the sound.  You can use two of them at one time, as many as 3 treble or 9 single point hooks on each line.
 http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,3738.0.html


Fishin-T

Since I'm not set up to troll and don't want to spend the money to get that way, I'll be trying to retreive some live herring with the sabiki rig and then mootching to what ever depth I'm locating fish.

It's pretty standard fare to troll for silvers with a mooching rig, 4 ounce crescent sinker to a plug cut herring.  Don't be afraid to do that, especially early in the day and when you are marking fish at 30' or less.

-Allen

"Trooching" is how I caught my silver in the Everett Coho Derby, a couple of years ago.

OY! guys, sorry i was so overly and misguidedly trying to help.

Lee, like i said, i thot it was you, but i could have been wrong... and it's very evident i was. thanx for the question about the cast net, tho. i'd had the same thots and looking back into the regs like that helped remove some fog from a few ideas.

Demonick, had totally forgotten about bait hook sabiki's, since i'd ever only used the mylar fly types.  so, what bait do you use for bait?? [ herring in this case]

When I was a kid, we use to make our own sabiki rigs using small (size 10-12?) gold egg hooks. No bait, but we caught the heck out of the smelt and herring up at LaConner.

When I was a kid, we use to make our own sabiki rigs using small (size 10-12?) gold egg hooks. No bait, but we caught the heck out of the smelt and herring up at LaConner.

Me too.  We also used to use small red beads tied on when tying on the gold egg hooks.  That LaConner fishery was a fun fishery for a kid.

-Allen