anchor rig?

Hello,

I am thinking of doing a trolley set up for an anchor,  however I am looking for ways to attach the componets with out haveing to cut any more hatch holes in the boats, so will ribbets hold the  parts in or should I just suck it up and add more hatches?

Carl

you could use these.  Capt. Dicks Ent. has them also.

http://www.kayakfishinggear.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=75

Depends...are they smoked or BBQ Ribbets?

 

Have shied away from using Rivets myself, maybe somebody with experience actually using them could comment.  Something about using them in plastic, just doesn't sound as good as big old washers and S.S. bolts etc.

Most of the pad eyes on your kayaks are held in place by rivets already.  With the right rivet tool, they are secure, easy to install, and unlike nuts, washers and bolts you don't need access to the inside your kayak to use them (i.e. you install them anywhere).

Depends...are they smoked or BBQ Ribbets?

 

Have shied away from using Rivets myself, maybe somebody with experience actually using them could comment.  Something about using them in plastic, just doesn't sound as good as big old washers and S.S. bolts etc.

Scott, I liked those little pulleys you used on your anchor trolley. Where did you get those? Was it a kit?


Spot, could you shed a bit of light on your anchor line holder. Since it was underwater, below the float, it was hard to see how it was rigged.

Jay

YEAH SCOTT,

more info please as it was your rig that got me thinking what can I add to my boat !!!  Also I will tell you that I used pics of your rigged kayak to help convence a couple coworkers that kayak fishing is cool.

Carl

oh and BBQ most the Time,  sometimes my hick spelling pops up

  Sorry Carl, couldn't resist!

Glad the pix helped, I stole all the ideas from others, but nice to see it all in one place.

The pulley's I used I picked up at West Marine (for PDX users they have a store in Tigard near Home Depot and Delta Park near Lowes), they have a wide selection of Pully's.  I haven't seen them other than in Marine supply stores, so I'd check there.  West Marine also has an extensive website.  They were a little pricy though, I think about $20 each.  But they seem to work real good.

The cleat I used is probably a little overkill, any old cleat that fits your trolley line would work, there are simpler ones out there.

FWIW - I just finally figured out how the quick release portion of the anchor is supposed to work.  In my pictures you'll see a cleat I installed that I would wrap the anchor line around to secure it.  But in an emergency I would have to uncleat it there, pull the trolley back, then uncleat the anchor rope from the trolley - too many steps when you have big fish on.  I.e. I had it going from:
- Anchor
- Anchor Rope
- Trolley Quick Release
- Cleat on deck
- Spool with remaining line

Spot showed me a better way.  He put the spool in between his anchor and kayak.  When I'm at anchor it goes in this order: 
- Anchor
- Anchor rope
- Spool of line with line clipped through one of the holes in the spool to keep it from unwinding.
- Small rope running off my spool then clips to my trolley.  (I don't need that cleat anymore)

I also abondoned my little spool of line in those pictures and went with an electric code spool like Brian and Spot are using (This was my 5th try at a spool - think I finally got it).

Geez this is hard to say without a picture.  Let me know if you need one.

Okay here' some pix of my latest Anchor set-up.

#1-  Now two parts.  Spool attached to Anchor, and "Anchor-Trolley Lead"
#2- Close Up of "Anchor-Trolley Lead".  The Lexel is there for size refernce, but it makes a great adhesive for Polyethelene (somebody mistakenly called it Silicon, which it is not).  You might consider a bigger float.  Mine works so far, but might be hard to find if I ever do detach from it.
#3- This is the part that had me stumped.  Hooking the Anchor-Trolley Lead" through that hole secures the line from unspooling.  the other end goes to my Anchor Trolley.
#4- See...told ya.  The quick connection can be unclipped if needed.

So if I'm seeing this right...the entire line is attached to the spool and the spool attaches to the yak an trolley only through the float? 

Sounds simple

Looks pretty good. One thing I would suggest is a larger float. Not only to make sure everything stays above the surface but sometimes w/ a little bit of chop on the water it can be hard to spot that float after you've disengaged from it. Most crab floats and boat bumpers are large enough.

Z

Yup ... bigger float.  I used a boat bumper once that I think had more flotation than the one you were using.  I was anchored in probably a 2.5-3 knot current and as soon as I released the float dove under.  Came back an hour later, after losing a nice sturgeon and the current had come down enough that the float popped back up.  I now use a crab trap float.

Also, are you clipping off to the trolley?  So you have to trolley the line in for a quick release.  You may want to consider just running a line through the trolley to a jam clean for even quicker release.

-Allen

Jay - Yep simple.  The float isn't what's holding that line though, the fact it's clipped through the side of the spool and attached to the anchor line, keeps the spool unwinding.  The line is just passing through the float which is slide on that short lead.  It's one of those things you have to try to see work.

Z/PP -Okay I'll look for a bigger float.  Good point in fast water.  I did make sure it floats, but didn't consider current/wind.

Allan - Yes I do have a trolley and do have to bring it in to get to the clip, but now i see what you are saying.  I can't clip into my trolley cleat (it's one way only so wouldn't work for when I want to anchor off the bow, plus it's holding one of the trolley lines in place which is a different diameter rope), but I can use my tie-off cleat that I installed and just tie my Anchor Trolley Lead off on it (removing one clip on the end of the rope so it can slide through the trolley).  That way I can release the rope from that cleat, and let it slide through my trolley clip - I'll have to work on that.

Thanks all.

Also, are you clipping off to the trolley?  So you have to trolley the line in for a quick release.  You may want to consider just running a line through the trolley to a jam clean for even quicker release.

-Allen

A jam cleat sounds quick. But since the trolley allows the anchor to be run anywhere from bow to stern and the jam cleat is only able to work in one direction, do you rig 2 jam cleats aligned in opposite directions? and then use the one that is oriented correctly?

Well then how about a cam clean, pointed down so you can use it from either direction?

-Allen

I'm going to use an existing Tie Off Cleat that I had installed.  I'm not a sailor so don't know the right name for the stupid thing, but here's what it looks like.  May not be as fast as a quick release, but it's there already and uni-directional.  I bet I can release it pretty quick without looking...will have to practice.