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Are you guys tying the stingers directly to the shank of the leaded jig head with a piece of leader?

Are you guys tying the stingers directly to the shank of the leaded jig head with a piece of leader?

yes, up around the narrow lead of the jig head, then slide the plastic up while holding on to the stinger hook. I use a baiting wire to slide the line through the plastic. does that make sense? I haven't tried it, but I've heard others will tie it directly onto the curve of the 1st hook.

I usually tie my leaders with a 40# flouro leader, for abrasion resistance. Also I size down my swivel on the bottom if I am using a sinker and not a large 4oz jig on the bottom. I use a round or torpedo shaped sinker on the bottom of the rig to minimize snagging. With the smaller swivel if my sinker gets hung up really good I can bust the swivel off and not loose my jigs or swimbaits which are way more expensive than lead. If I use a big jig I try and size it accordingly to the leader strength which is typically less than 40# so if I am hopelessly snagged I can break off without losing 60+ ft of line and cause a snagging hazard for wildlife.

Are you guys tying the stingers directly to the shank of the leaded jig head with a piece of leader?

yes, up around the narrow lead of the jig head, then slide the plastic up while holding on to the stinger hook. I use a baiting wire to slide the line through the plastic. does that make sense? I haven't tried it, but I've heard others will tie it directly onto the curve of the 1st hook.

Thanks for the explanation. I was thinking typing it to the curve of the hook as well. Some stout mono or even some 50lb braid should work well.
Maybe something like this:
I was thinking of rigging the plastic on the weighted jighead as usual, then tying the leader to the curve of the hook right where it exits the plastic. The stinger hook leader would go almost to the end of the plastic in length meaning the stinger would be in like with the end of the swim bait tai. I was planning on using one super small rubber band (like the diameter of your pinky) to keep the stinger hook flush against the tail of the swim bait. That way, if the fish hooks the stinger it won't tear up the tail of the swim bait like it would if I ran the stinger in through the swim bait.
Thought?

This is an interesting idea... I feel like the tail biters I get are usually smaller fish that I wouldn't really want to keep anyway... course, I don't know that.  It is just the sense I have.

RR, take a lighter with you. If the plastic gets torn up where you put the stinger, heat up the soft plastic with the lighter and repair it.

Are you guys tying the stingers directly to the shank of the leaded jig head with a piece of leader?

yes, up around the narrow lead of the jig head, then slide the plastic up while holding on to the stinger hook. I use a baiting wire to slide the line through the plastic. does that make sense? I haven't tried it, but I've heard others will tie it directly onto the curve of the 1st hook.

while fishing in the Alantic ocean I was constantly loosing jig tails to aggresive bluefish and spanish mackerel but they are notorious short bitters, so I would take a spinnerbait trailer hook ( a large single hook with an eye loop large enough to fit over the barbed hook point) put a small bit of surgical tubing over the hook and run the rigged jig hook through the surgical tubing and eye of the trailer hook with the hook and the bend facing the jig tail and then put the hook through the jig so the jig hook is facing up and the trailer hook is flat with the back of the jig/swimbait  and the trailer hook is facing down. It worked I was catching more fish and not losing so many swimbaits/ or gulp shrimp.  Depending of whats biting  it can become annoying when you start catching a bunch of little fish on the back hook that you would otherwise not be hooking with the main jig,  I call them bait gankers, fish like pinfish (think surfperch) and small pufferfish. 

I included a crude drawing to illustrate

I usually tie my leaders with a 40# flouro leader, for abrasion resistance. Also I size down my swivel on the bottom if I am using a sinker and not a large 4oz jig on the bottom. I use a round or torpedo shaped sinker on the bottom of the rig to minimize snagging. With the smaller swivel if my sinker gets hung up really good I can bust the swivel off and not loose my jigs or swimbaits which are way more expensive than lead. If I use a big jig I try and size it accordingly to the leader strength which is typically less than 40# so if I am hopelessly snagged I can break off without losing 60+ ft of line and cause a snagging hazard for wildlife.

I'd like to see some pic of that, if possible. Guess I'll break down & share some pics of the lures I'll be bringing also. Not that that means much; I haven't won anything at this contest yet.

Are you guys tying the stingers directly to the shank of the leaded jig head with a piece of leader?

yes, up around the narrow lead of the jig head, then slide the plastic up while holding on to the stinger hook. I use a baiting wire to slide the line through the plastic. does that make sense? I haven't tried it, but I've heard others will tie it directly onto the curve of the 1st hook.

while fishing in the Alantic ocean I was constantly loosing jig tails to aggresive bluefish and spanish mackerel but they are notorious short bitters, so I would take a spinnerbait trailer hook ( a large single hook with an eye loop large enough to fit over the barbed hook point) put a small bit of surgical tubing over the hook and run the rigged jig hook through the surgical tubing and eye of the trailer hook with the hook and the bend facing the jig tail and then put the hook through the jig so the jig hook is facing up and the trailer hook is flat with the back of the jig/swimbait  and the trailer hook is facing down. It worked I was catching more fish and not losing so many swimbaits/ or gulp shrimp.  Depending of whats biting  it can become annoying when you start catching a bunch of little fish on the back hook that you would otherwise not be hooking with the main jig,  I call them bait gankers, fish like pinfish (think surfperch) and small pufferfish. 

I included a crude drawing to illustrate

that looks like it would work. might be worth leaving any of those potential little fish on the hook & see what happens. 

This is an interesting idea... I feel like the tail biters I get are usually smaller fish that I wouldn't really want to keep anyway... course, I don't know that.  It is just the sense I have.

most of the time this has been my experience, however the largest northern pike I ever caught I got on a trailer hook of a spinnerbait, he barely hit it. And there have been a few other times where if I had a stinger hook I would have caught a big fish. However mainly the stinger hooks catch shy timid, tail biters which are typically small fish and less aggresive species. Here in the PNW I would guess that would be greenliing and small rockfish. In addition you have more hooks to hang up on structure.

I usually tie my leaders with a 40# flouro leader, for abrasion resistance. Also I size down my swivel on the bottom if I am using a sinker and not a large 4oz jig on the bottom. I use a round or torpedo shaped sinker on the bottom of the rig to minimize snagging. With the smaller swivel if my sinker gets hung up really good I can bust the swivel off and not loose my jigs or swimbaits which are way more expensive than lead. If I use a big jig I try and size it accordingly to the leader strength which is typically less than 40# so if I am hopelessly snagged I can break off without losing 60+ ft of line and cause a snagging hazard for wildlife.

I'd like to see some pic of that, if possible. Guess I'll break down & share some pics of the lures I'll be bringing also. Not that that means much; I haven't won anything at this contest yet.

It's a basic rig, same as any of the pre-tied shrimp fly rigs you can buy. Its about 3 foot long snap swivel on the bottom , barrel swivel at the top with two dropper loops, one about a foot from the bottom swivel and one about a foot from the top swivel.  Top barrel swivel is strong as the main line, bottom swivel is about 10-15#'s lighter. on each of the dropper loops I put a 1oz lead head and a plastic swimbait body or a grub tail usually about 5"-6" to target larger fish, 2"-3" for smaller fish (which i would use a smaller lead head or just a worm hook.

mainly the stinger hooks catch shy timid, tail biters which are typically small fish and less aggresive specie

Not to mention they catch your hand at the most inopportune time.  Less hooks, less puncture wounds to worry about.   

-Allen

I included a crude drawing to illustrate

Rigging swimbaits that way will take a lot of the action out of the lure.  The tail is designed to force the bait to rock from side to side so if you restrict the motion of the tail, you'll deaden the action of the bait.  I don't worry so much about tail biters when it comes to swimbaits as it requires too much effort.  If you're getting a lot of tail biters, you're either setting the hook too soon or fishing in the nursery.   

I included a crude drawing to illustrate

Rigging swimbaits that way will take a lot of the action out of the lure.  The tail is designed to force the bait to rock from side to side so if you restrict the motion of the tail, you'll deaden the action of the bait.  I don't worry so much about tail biters when it comes to swimbaits as it requires too much effort.  If you're getting a lot of tail biters, you're either setting the hook too soon or fishing in the nursery.   

totally agree Rawk!  the only time i've used it is with gulp shrimp which have a uniform thick tail and doesnt impart much action to the bait, a swimbait needs that wiggly tail. The stinger type rig is used a bunch by live bait fisherman,  where action is sacrificed for scent.

I prefer 10" grubs on 250 leader. Great abrasion resistance.

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