Scotty Orca or Folbe Advantage?

I really like the lift out nature of the Orca and Advantage style rod holders, and I'll probably be adding one of these two types to the Revo eventually.  There's  a bit in archives discussing these two rod holders, and it seems like it may be a Ford vs. Chevy kind of debate.  Hopefully I'm not asking questions that have already been answered.

Are there any benefits to one over the other?   Do the mechanisms on each operate with essentially the same smoothness and reliability?  I've seen it reported that Scotty's can get a bit bound up sometimes after they have some time on them.

Pretty much all of the stuff I have for my PB's is Scotty, and I do have a few spare parts lying about (flush mount holders, deck mount holders, etc).  Additionally, it looks like the Orca stuff might be a bit less expensive than the Folbe.  All things being equal, I'd likely stick with Scotty since I have some starter pieces to get me going on the Revo. 

Are the splines and ratchets on the Scotty and Folbe stuff compatible?  I've seen conflicting reports. 

The Folbe seems to have two different sizes available (the standard size and a "Jr" size).   Does anyone that has used both sizes have a preference?

It seems from other threads that most people like to stay with a flush mount or deck mount base rather than a RAM ball for the rod holders, and the Ram ball for the fishfinder/plotter.  This is likely the method I'll use as well.  I've also seen repeatedly where it was recommended to avoid punching any holes in the boat until after getting some time in on the water, and I'll definitely do this.  I think I've read Rawkfish's rigging thread a half dozen times, and I still pick stuff up out of it that I seem to have missed previously. 

And with finding this deal, who can go wrong with the Orca's?


http://www.amazon.com/Scotty-Orca-Holder-Flush-Mount/dp/B004O0BRRM/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t


A customer review at the bottom of the page says he only received one rod holder and one flush mount when he made the purchase, and the seller refused to honor the ad.  I've posted a question to the seller asking for clarification as to how many setups the deal includes.   If it's 4, that is a smoking deal.   If it's only 1 setup, not so much. 

I'll just chime in and say I use the Folbe's.  Absolutely love them.  I do have issues with them locking into the base.  I think my hole is not smooth and something is obstructing them.  Anyone seriously fishing big fish shouldn't even consider any other rod holder than the foible styles and maybe the orcas (haven't used them) or similar releases.  Whether it be a big fish or snagging up in heavy current, you are going to want to be able to get that rod out of that holder when something pins it down tight.  I would be interested if the Jr sizes wouldn't be better.  I hear the powerboats mainly use the jr size for salmon sized gear which is most of my stuff. 

I will say avoid the RAM mounts.  From my experience, they will NOT hold trolling big heavy flashers and baits.  A great way to minimize holes if that's an issue was an idea I got from Roy on here.

Mount a flush mount over a cup holder.  Then its just four screw holes versus an inch or better hole.  Works great on my spare outback. 

And with finding this deal, who can go wrong with the Orca's?


http://www.amazon.com/Scotty-Orca-Holder-Flush-Mount/dp/B004O0BRRM/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t


A customer review at the bottom of the page says he only received one rod holder and one flush mount when he made the purchase, and the seller refused to honor the ad.  I've posted a question to the seller asking for clarification as to how many setups the deal includes.   If it's 4, that is a smoking deal.   If it's only 1 setup, not so much. 

Yea, if it sounds too good to be true, yadda yadda. And that's proven in this case by the one customer review. I wouldn't chance it. BUT...if you do, and you actually get four, let me know. 

What's odd is the seller is Scotty itself, not some third-party reseller. Scotty's customer service is as good as it gets in the industry, and i'm surprised they were informed of the problem back in June and didn't change the listing. Maybe something else is going on? IDK

What's odd is the seller is Scotty itself, not some third-party reseller. Scotty's customer service is as good as it gets in the industry, and i'm surprised they were informed of the problem back in June and didn't change the listing. Maybe something else is going on? IDK

I thought the same thing when I saw the seller was Scotty.   

I'll post up their reply when I get it.

Anyone use these to secure their rod holder setup to a rail?   Curious about whether any problems arose with the thing coming un-threaded.  Especially if fishing the port side.  I'd think the torque of fishing the starboard side would keep it snug.

 

Anyone use these to secure their rod holder setup to a rail?   Curious about whether any problems arose with the thing coming un-threaded.  Especially if fishing the port side.  I'd think the torque of fishing the starboard side would keep it snug.

The Scotty Gearhead Track Adapters work very well for equipment like a fish finder which isn't subject to any twisting stresses.  But when I used one to hold a rod holder for trolling and downrigger trolling, it would slowly twist and my rod would get out of alignment, even if I tightened it down quite hard.  I had to keep re-aligning my rod, which was irritating.  My rods were pointing to the right, so the tension on the rod was actually tightening the track adapter.  If your rod points to the left, the tension on the rod will loosen the track adapter.

To avoid this problem, I made my own base for a Scotty Locking Deck Mount, which holds my rod at right angles to my kayak.  Pictures of the mount are shown below.  I described how to make your own devices which mount on gear tracks at http://www.yakfisher.net/smffiles/index.php?topic=9917.0 and http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=13167.msg144750#msg144750 .

i did the exact same thing as pmmpete did - diy cuttingboard/marine starboard base plates with the scotty deckmounts, except my mount is rotated 90 degrees from his, so that the base/mount doesn't stick out as much.

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Anyone use these to secure their rod holder setup to a rail?   Curious about whether any problems arose with the thing coming un-threaded.  Especially if fishing the port side.  I'd think the torque of fishing the starboard side would keep it snug.

The Scotty Gearhead Track Adapters work very well for equipment like a fish finder which isn't subject to any twisting stresses.  But when I used one to hold a rod holder for trolling and downrigger trolling, it would slowly twist and my rod would get out of alignment, even if I tightened it down quite hard.  I had to keep re-aligning my rod, which was irritating.  My rods were pointing to the right, so the tension on the rod was actually tightening the track adapter.  If your rod points to the left, the tension on the rod will loosen the track adapter.

To avoid this problem, I made my own base for a Scotty Locking Deck Mount, which holds my rod at right angles to my kayak.  Pictures of the mount are shown below.  I described how to make your own devices which mount on gear tracks at http://www.yakfisher.net/smffiles/index.php?topic=9917.0 and http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=13167.msg144750#msg144750 .

I saw that thread where you posted that fabrication.  Impressive indeed, and it is one of the methods I am strongly leaning towards.   

Very nice Bucket page too.  Clearly you are quite ingenious. 

i did the exact same thing as pmmpete did - diy cuttingboard/marine starboard base plates with the scotty deckmounts, except my mount is rotated 90 degrees from his, so that the base/mount doesn't stick out as much.

image attached

Thanks for posting that DWB.  I didn't see that one.  Do you have a thread posted explaining what you did?

That's likely the orientation I'd set mine up too.  How long is yours from end to end?   Trying to best figure out how to capitalize on the limited space on the Revo for mounting the wider track.

Since I kind of hijacked my own thread with the track attachment distraction, I figured I'd try and get things back on track (pun intended) by adding a poll asking about the two different rod holders.   



 

i did the exact same thing as pmmpete did - diy cuttingboard/marine starboard base plates with the scotty deckmounts, except my mount is rotated 90 degrees from his, so that the base/mount doesn't stick out as much.

image attached

Thanks for posting that DWB.  I didn't see that one.  Do you have a thread posted explaining what you did?

That's likely the orientation I'd set mine up too.  How long is yours from end to end?   Trying to best figure out how to capitalize on the limited space on the Revo for mounting the wider track.

http://www.snaggedline.com/showthread.php?3092-DIY-Slide-Trax-Mount
i followed these instructions to a "t", except (1) i used 1/2" cutting board, the cheap stuff found at the dollar store, etc..., and (2) i used yakattack's mighty bolts and threaded knobs.

alright, back to the orca/folbe debate.

i did the exact same thing as pmmpete did - diy cuttingboard/marine starboard base plates with the scotty deckmounts, except my mount is rotated 90 degrees from his, so that the base/mount doesn't stick out as much.

image attached

The reasons I mounted my Scotty deck mount at right angles to my gear track are (1) I wanted to mount my rod holder as far back on my gear track as possible, so when pedaling my Revolution my toe wouldn't hit my rod on the backstroke, and (2) the mount takes up a bit less space on a gear track if the deck mount is installed at right angles.  But for most applications, a set-up like DWB123's will work great. 

I've been using a Scotty Orca this year and so far I love it. I have it on an extender arm with slip discs in the joints and the extender arm plugs into one of the Scotty bases with a button release. The base is mounted on two Yak Attack Mighty Mounts and those are mounted to one of the skinny gear tracks along the gunwale of my Revo13. Totally solid setup, highly recommended.

My favorite is the QuickDraw. I believe it's made by Scotty for Cabelas. It's incredibly simple, reliable, and effective. Be sure to give it a look, I'm surprised it's not more popular.