Official 2015 Oregon Rockfish Classic Announcment

Wow, Sorry again if you think I'm trying to disrupt anything. Truly not my intention.
I would be coming up with an Elite 5 Chirp, A EGO extending Salmon net and grippers, Bags of Branson Baits and maybe some stuff from Scotty. Almost $1000 in sponsor product. I've been a sponsor for the last 3 years. Do you really think I'm trying to ruin this... enough said. Good luck brother.

Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen

Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen

Fair enough, I'm an ass. 

Mike is good people.  He didn't write all that for his own edification.  He is experienced and genuinely wants to help.  Take what he has to say or not, but get off his nuts.

Allen, I'll buy you a beer if thats what it takes to get you to orc this year.

Mike is good people.  He didn't write all that for his own edification.  He is experienced and genuinely wants to help.  Take what he has to say or not, but get off his nuts.

Allen, I'll buy you a beer if thats what it takes to get you to orc this year.

 Totally agree with ya crash.

Unless things get a lot more positive and questions start getting answered on this thread I might join Jammer and Spot and suddenly have other plans too.
But that is not what I want to do.........

Wow, Sorry again if you think I'm trying to disrupt anything. Truly not my intention.
I would be coming up with an Elite 5 Chirp, A EGO extending Salmon net and grippers, Bags of Branson Baits and maybe some stuff from Scotty. Almost $1000 in sponsor product. I've been a sponsor for the last 3 years. Do you really think I'm trying to ruin this... enough said. Good luck brother.

We are sorry to be missing you and hope you will reconsider.  If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!

Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen

I don't know Mike, but +1 on the rest of it.

Jeff... buddy.... most of us realize how much work goes into this & appreciate the effort, especially if it turns out well. It's probably a good strategy to at least discuss the advice from someone who might know what he's talking about at your next planning meeting. I think a lot of the members would appreciate that. I know I would. Let us know what's going on in a tangible way, like Brian is doing with the maps. I also like seeing our NCKA comrades up here.

If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!

    Call me crazy, but I've got a nagging feeling there's something not quite right about this.

If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!

    Call me crazy, but I've got a nagging feeling there's something not quite right about this.

 Smelling fishy
 Or just hearing the same song and dance repeatedly
 Makes me/you/ all of us wonder ....
 Weak.....

Wow, Sorry again if you think I'm trying to disrupt anything. Truly not my intention.
I would be coming up with an Elite 5 Chirp, A EGO extending Salmon net and grippers, Bags of Branson Baits and maybe some stuff from Scotty. Almost $1000 in sponsor product. I've been a sponsor for the last 3 years. Do you really think I'm trying to ruin this... enough said. Good luck brother.

We are sorry to be missing you and hope you will reconsider.

Wow, really?  REALLY?

If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

You just did.  Mike and the companies he is involved with have been big supporters of ORC over the years.

-Allen

Knowing both Wingshooter Mike and Rawkfish Jeff, I think you guys would really like each other and get along.  You both owe me a beer.   

Fuck it.  I do what it takes to be there.

-Allen

You know I'll have Jameson waiting for you

You do realize thatnsponsor exclusivity isnt a nrw thing for ORC right?  Hobie was exclusive and gave minimal support.  Our exclusive sponsors are giving at least 2k worth of product for the event.   There is currently more product value  on prize table than last year even without a boat.

If you do come please touch base in any product you may bring as some sponsor commitments are made on exclusivity agreements for their markets.  Raymarine being ine of those that came on board for over 7k in units to use for various events benefitting HOW.  Cant step on toes of those that want to be big supports!

I will have an update on prizes and all by weeks end as we are still signing with some new vendors but the larger commitments are starting to really take hold and promise a great payout to those lucky to place!

    Call me crazy, but I've got a nagging feeling there's something not quite right about this.

 Smelling fishy
 Or just hearing the same song and dance repeatedly
 Makes me/you/ all of us wonder ....
 Weak.....

possible write off,

NA gets the write off and HOW gets some funds, great

 Hey Mike,

 Your doing a great job at what you do in getting tourneys happening and many, including myself,  appreciate it and hopefully I'll make one someday buddy, but…

…  I'm jumping in the middle here on this thread as there seems to be a few different complications, but as far as raising monies for HOW, there are rules that need to be followed set forth by HOW National in Texas.

This is where you and I went south a bit as you would not listen to me about rukes that WE need to follow as HOW chapters, ( but we did fix that  )

We as HOW chapters cannot write letters for "Raffle" prizes.  The Feds basically consider this "Gambling" and we cannot be associated with it.

The only time we can write a 501c3 letter is if the donation is a straight ahead donation directly to HOW...

And the sad thing is as I have fought HOW National on this because,

I don't think their right….  HOW National that is..

The reason I say that is the Giants Gave Nor Cal HOW a Madison Bumgarner signed baseball, this is set up by a third party for the Giants and I had to fill out forms that basically I can only assume they are going to write off that donation as they have donated directly to HOW, but…

on the form itself, it asked what the donation will be used for, and one of the choices is "raffle"…

This is a company that this type of stiff is their business, yet, they cannot answer the question I have for them if we can legally raffle the ball…

and I'm still waiting of the State of California, The State District Attorneys Office and HOW National for a clear and concise answer on this…

But I can tell you that HOW National's stance  for now on writing letters for a donation to be raffled is an Absolute "No"….

Dino would tell you this too, but I feel he is a little busy right now.

You may be wondering about the GS Raffle, well, no letters were written for prizes and I'm in "Big Doo Doo" for that raffle too, ( Again     ) as there was no paperwork, no nothing, we just did it and now I have to beg for forgiveness from National….

But I'll do that every time to get close to $2K for our program….

There are ways around things and the bottom line is cash talks and if it's being raised… what is HOW going to say,,,"no?"

I would always beg for forgiveness and they can dock my pay…   

 here to help if you guys have any questions about donating to HOW… Like I said, we bend rules, but we really cannot write a letter for a donated prize that will be raffled…  and hope to make this event….

ciao...

Thanks Don for lending some insight on this to folks from a third party.

Don, Anthony, and Dino all know this info and also can vouch me me knowing it having ran a HOW chapter and also raised a substantial amount of money for HOW through various means.   Stuff is complicated when you get to non-profits which means that vendor relationships and exclusivity to acquire the ones that are going to be large are more important than ever.  There is nothing more important to me in this event than to make it successful for both the Anglers and the charities while also keeping everybody playing by the rules and ensuring the folks willing to support us are receiving all they deserve since none of them are using this stuff as a tax writeoff for the most part- only a marketing expense.

possible write off,

NA gets the write off and HOW gets some funds, great

 Hey Mike,

 Your doing a great job at what you do in getting tourneys happening and many, including myself,  appreciate it and hopefully I'll make one someday buddy, but…

…  I'm jumping in the middle here on this thread as there seems to be a few different complications, but as far as raising monies for HOW, there are rules that need to be followed set forth by HOW National in Texas.

This is where you and I went south a bit as you would not listen to me about rukes that WE need to follow as HOW chapters, ( but we did fix that  )

We as HOW chapters cannot write letters for "Raffle" prizes.  The Feds basically consider this "Gambling" and we cannot be associated with it.

The only time we can write a 501c3 letter is if the donation is a straight ahead donation directly to HOW...

And the sad thing is as I have fought HOW National on this because,

I don't think their right….  HOW National that is..

The reason I say that is the Giants Gave Nor Cal HOW a Madison Bumgarner signed baseball, this is set up a third party for the Giants and I had to fill out forms that basically I can only assume they are going to write off that donation as they have donated directly to HOW, but…

on the form itself, it asked what the donation will be used for, and one of the choices is "raffle"…

This is a company that this type of stiff is their business, yet, they cannot answer the question I have for them if we can legally raffle the ball…

and I'm still waiting of the State of California, The State District Attorneys Office and HOW National for a clear and concise answer on this…

But I can tell you that HOW National's stance on writing letters for a donation to be raffled is an Absolute "No"….

Dino would tell you this too, but I feel he is a little busy right now.

You may be wondering about the GS Raffle, well, no letters were written for prizes and I'm in "Big Doo Doo" for that raffle too as there was no paperwork, no nothing, we just did it and now I have to beg for forgiveness from National….

But I'll do that every time to get close to $2K for our program….

There are ways around things and the bottom line is cash talks and if it's begin raised… what is HOW going to say,,,"no?"

I would always beg for forgiveness and they can dock my pay…   

 here to help if you guys have any questions about donating to HOW… Like I said, we bend rules, but we really cannot write a letter for a donated prize that will be raffled…  and hope to make this event….

ciao...

What's up CJ!!!???

  ya, agreed, as long as no letters are written for raffle prizes, HOW does not have an issue, and I can see where this line gets crossed all the time.

it's really confusing and when ya can't get a straight answer form the people who have written the rules, ya know ..  wtf…?

as long as we cover our backs as best as possible, were good. I've already had to stand before the Man, State District attorneys office & IRS on something another coordinator did wrong, and as much as I was embarrassed about the situation and kind of scared… they were pretty cool and respected what were doing and got a  "Don't do it Again,,,"

so overall, were good no matter what… just details… never ending…  carry on...