propel vs mirage

Being completely new to the Kayak game and confused as to which one was better I gave up and purchased one of each.  A Propel Slayer and a Hobie Outback.

Hah!  Solved that problem!  I look forward to hearing your comparison of the two kayaks after you've used them both.

I'll be particularly interested in your comparison of the stability of the Outback and the Slayer Propel, because the seat on the Slayer looks quite high, and the information about the Slayer on Native's webpage doesn't say that the seat height can be adjusted.  The seat on the Mariner Propel kayak looks lower, but the Native website says "Ideal for flat water and slow rivers," so it doesn't sound like an open-ocean surf-launching machine.

I was a huge fan of the 300 and got converted to 338 for AK. At least he and I agreed on the lower 48 caliber. I call it 7mm but he wants to call it 280. At least we are in the ball park. Is it June yet....So ready to get started

Oh and thank you Rudy/Brian, this fever is worst than a cold.

I have put many 200 yard backstraps on the table with mine, almost as many as that with the old tried and true 30/30 Winchester in the brush next to the timber. I love me some venison and elk 
Yoh can't beat elk burgers with ground bacon in it.

.50 BMG....no questions asked

.50 BMG....no questions asked

And no shoulder meat left  ..... What you guys hunting up there in that caliber ? walrus?   

I believe the Revolution is faster than the Outback and PAs, the is no direct comparison to the propel, the Outback is most likely the closest but it is shorter by a couple of feet. But back to the Chevy or Ford thing.

Well, technically, the Propel is Native's drive system ... not a kayak.   

-Allen

.50 BMG....no questions asked

And no shoulder meat left  ..... What you guys hunting up there in that caliber ? walrus?   

We use .222 for walrus, but the entertaining part is watching Johnny bring them in the boat by himself.  It's a little Boston whaler montauk, so he just pulls the plug and lets it fill with water till there is about four or five inches of freeboard and then rolls the walrus over the rail and flips his bulge back on.



The kayak is a slayer and as polepole said the drive system is the propel.

Well when I used the term propel I was referring to the whole family of Native Watercraft canoes and Kayaks, and the inferences certainly could be made to the Slayer Propel.  . In the future I will use the term Slayer P. to make clear which propel model I am referring to .  And I still like the .300 Win Mag. I carry a modified 45-70 with appropriate rounds when in bear country. I used to load my own and tailored  the .300 WM to what I was hunting from sheep to Brown bear, all game that I have taken. I have used a .338 WM and I had a Sako .375 H-H Carbine that I used to pack also but bad shoulders and older age urged me to pass them to the grandsons.

I'm seeing some assumptions made here that I think could use some clarity...

Native has different boats, Hobie has different boats. A Revo 16 will go much, much faster than a PA12 with the same amount of effort; that's just fluid dynamics and hull design. So to begin with we should be comparing similar boats.

Native has a Slayer Propel in 10 foot and 13 foot. They have the Mariner Propel in 10 and 12.5 foot.

Hobie has pedal-drive kayaks at 9, 11, 12, 12.5, 13, 14, 14.5, 16, 16.5, 17, and 18.5 foot lengths, each with different characteristics. Which boats, exactly, are we comparing?

I'm guessing we're all mostly assuming we're comparing a Slayer Propel 13 to a Revo 13?

There's a couple of other good threads where we've discussed the relative merits of the two drive systems. I think they're both pretty cool. It might come down to personal preference and what you're using it for.

If I were making the choice, I'd make a demo happen, draw my own conclusions, and pick the one I like best. I haven't sat in a (modern) SOT yet that I didn't think had one thing or another going for it.

.50 BMG....no questions asked

And no shoulder meat left  ..... What you guys hunting up there in that caliber ? walrus?   

Nothing but head shots

.50 BMG....no questions asked

And no shoulder meat left  ..... What you guys hunting up there in that caliber ? walrus?   

Nothing but head shots

Sounds like a good friend of mine he's been none to wait for two hours for the head to be in the right position.

.50 BMG....no questions asked

And no shoulder meat left  ..... What you guys hunting up there in that caliber ? walrus?   

like this ?

What could possibly be better in a thread than gun porn like that   

Since there are a few cyclists here that are running the Propel drive system,   I was wondering if the provided pedals would accommodate a strap or can be replaced with conventional bicycle pedals to run straps or maybe even clipless / SPD pedals.  I can't imagine pedaling and not being able to tap into that extra power on the upstroke, or in this case would it be Backstroke

What could possibly be better in a thread than gun porn like that   

Since there are a few cyclists here that are running the Propel drive system,   I was wondering if the provided pedals would accommodate a strap or can be replaced with conventional bicycle pedals to run straps or maybe even clipless / SPD pedals.  I can't imagine pedaling and not being able to tap into that extra power on the upstroke, or in this case would it be Backstroke

Not sure I'd really want to be strapped to my kayak, if you were to roll that would be an obstacle I wouldn't want to face. And if you give the propel all that extra force it would probably cavitate the prop.

I could see using the toe straps but not the SPD clips.  I'm not going for a swim in my cycling shoes.