Marine west water proof pants

I am looking to get some pants for kayaking in wet conditions in the cold. Summer time I wear shorts. So I have 125 bucks credit at West Marine and saw these. Any one have them? Know about them? One pair 75 bucks the other 130 I could get either so what you guys know?

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/grundens--men-s-weather-watch-pants-black-2xl--12230488?green=9BF81709-1B2E-5514-9A08-6C9527754ABF&cm_sp=Onsite-Recs-_-MB-_-

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/grundens--men-s-gage-storm-surge-trousers--P016662439#tab-reviews

I'm sorry, I don't know anything about these pants.

Some of the forum members do not favor kayaking in clothing that is not adequately protective, and especially not in cold weather.  The question you might want to ask yourself is how much help these pants might be, by themselves, if you got soaking wet on a cold day.

I own a pair of Columbia storm pants that I use for bank fishing and my answer would be, "Hardly any use whatsoever."

Good luck in your quest.  Be safe.

Thanks Tinker. Good to know I wanted something to keep me warm and dry and with my credit at Westmarine I want to use it for that purchase. I could not think of anything else I need from them.Well if somebody know thier product line direct me to it. I know I may have to kick in a hundred bucks or so.

Kokatat makes some awesome dry pants. Pair them up with a dry top and you've got a really effective setup for kayaking in most conditions throughout the year in the northwest. Do a search on Google for "tempest pants"

My neighbor has the Gage rain gear and it's good. We tried to find it for my wife but couldn't get the right size. It's good rain gear but you probably want something else for the kayak.

There are other ways to prepare for cold weather and we all have opinions.

A lot of what is safest and most comfortable will depend on were you're using your kayak, too.

I started-out kayaking exclusively in the smaller rivers and lakes.  I began with a thin (3mm/4mm) two piece wetsuit, but felt too chilled and uncomfortable when the neoprene got wet.  I added the Columbia raingear on top and that to keep the neoprene dry and all was fine until I decided I didn't like spending the day with wet and chilly toes.  I changed the rain pants for dry pants and all was, again, good.

I didn't get a drysuit until I decided to go out in the sea.  Out in the ocean, it stops being about comfort, and becomes all about survival.

I still use the dry pants/neoprene/rain jacket gear in the rivers and small lakes.  It saves wear and tear on the drysuit, and I'm not going to be in the water for very long in the smaller rivers, so there it's adequate.

The idea is to be prepared for the water you'll be in, or hopefully ON, and not for the weather.

Search the site and you'll see lots of options discussed by lots of folks.

It might not be quite so simple as "where", but "when" and then other more specifics around the conditions.

Hagg Lake, for instance, was 45deg water the other day.  With very few other boats around, and a little bit of trouble getting immediately back on (or staying on) your boat, you could get in big trouble on small water, in the right conditions.

I meant only that one might not need an expedition class drysuit in a lake, but one would still need something that will keep you dry and warm long enough to reach shore.  In a lake, in the conditions I would be out on it, I'd expect my odd mix of base layers, neoprene, and Gore-Tex to do that - for me.

There will always be times and circumstances where way too much is nowhere near enough.

(Hagg is several time larger than the lakes I frequent.  I'd probably treat it like an ocean and dress accordingly)

My guys on the trenching and pipeline crew wear them and have good success with the Gunders and Gage pants and overalls. I am still in my crinkly frogg toggs until they wear out. Sportco in Fife has the best prices in our area from what I hear.
Cheers, Tom

I meant only that one might not need an expedition class drysuit in a lake, but one would still need something that will keep you dry and warm long enough to reach shore.  In a lake, in the conditions I would be out on it, I'd expect my odd mix of base layers, neoprene, and Gore-Tex to do that - for me.

There will always be times and circumstances where way too much is nowhere near enough.

(Hagg is several time larger than the lakes I frequent.  I'd probably treat it like an ocean and dress accordingly)

Yeah, we're holding hands on this one.

My point was just to make sure nobody missed the difference between rain gear and immersion gear, and that lake or river water can be just as cold or colder than the ocean. They both have their place, and I now find myself thinking about immersion gear even when on a drift or motorboat, not just a kayak. Which is probably a good thing, as I see soooooo many people on motorboats etc. in blue jeans, and if they go overboard without immersion gear, without a PFD, it has Bad Outcome written on it.

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 What about this?? Remember I know nothing. I posted on a California kayak website and got nothing but smart ass remarks. WTF.You guys up north are real friendly and helpful thanks.

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/mares--instinct-two-piece-wetsuit-green-camouflage-3-5mm--P015665003

1) Californians are pricks.

2) A wetsuit will keep you alive, if uncomfortable. A drysuit keeps you dry (hopefully) and what you wear under it keeps you warm (hopefully). A wetsuit will keep you warm(-ish) even when wet.

3) You can buy 5 wetsuits for the price of one drysuit.

4) The relative value is up to you.

Nothing is wrong with that wetsuit, really, so don't let what I'm about to say stop you.

The top is held in position by wrapping a beaver-tail flap under your crotch and fastening it in front.  I had a wetsuit like that.  The flap didn't bother me when swimming, but we unbuttoned the beaver tails as soon as we were out of the water.  It might get to feeling like a bit too much support in a delicate area after you've been sitting in a kayak for a few hours.  MIGHT.  Not will.

(I got rid of that wetsuit because I stopped diving - long before I started kayaking - not because  of that "feature")

It's in your budget.  It'll keep you warm.  It'll allow you to get out there.

That's my nickel.