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Topic: Dry-suit during summer?  (Read 11377 times)

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AlexB

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Wear it if the water is cold. The water is cold in Washington. Wear it. Period.




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Has anyone tried/seen a Mythic?
http://www.mythicdrysuits.com/products/enki

It's pretty inexpensive, just don't know if they work.  Nice relief tool.


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I have the Mythic Kiwa.  I used it my first year out on the water and it held up OK.  I have since bought a Kokatat (used) that is my go to suit now.  The mythics work well but they are cheaper because they don't have the extras like neoprene cuff covers and reinforced knee and thigh areas.  Honestly, if you are on a budget I don't see a problem with going with a Mythic.  They work.  But if you are going to be sticking with this sport you will probably end up buying a kokatat or similar eventually so if you can swing it just buy the better one now.

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Maybe bb2fish will chime in with info these Chinese suits:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kayak-Dry-Suit-for-Sailing-Canoeing-Whitewater-Drysuits-Waterproof-Front-Entry-/221888442754?var=&hash=item33a994f182:m:mHoULqKd2dYDlg3BqDGDXTA

I've seen them, they look substantial and seal well.  No idea how long they last, but the price is right.  I was ready to go with one of them but my tax refund came in time.
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I think if you have a pedal kayak you are going to wear out the crotch and thigh area regardless of brand. There is no doubt that a more expensive suit is better but how much better is the question. I use my waders with a belt but have never yet dumped my yak. Got a rogue wave last time out but easily survived it. It's usually a good 4-5' swell when I go out, maybe I'm used to it?

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I think if you have a pedal kayak you are going to wear out the crotch and thigh area regardless of brand.

Is that based on personal experience? I've had no issues with this in either my waders or my Kokatat drysuit. It might depend on your body's particulars. My wife and I are both going on 3 years with the Kokatats and they're nowhere near wearing out in the crotch or thigh. I do paddle as well sometimes, but if I'm in my drysuit I'm usually in my Oasis (pedal).


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It's from my experience in float tubes, maybe a bit more room for that area in a kayak. I would have gone with a pedal drive but my knees are not very good, reason I got a kayak over my float tube or pontoon. Love the kayak more than I ever thought I would. Years of heavy duty mechanics has taken its toll on my body, 22 years this year.

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these Chinese suits:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kayak-Dry-Suit-for-Sailing-Canoeing-Whitewater-Drysuits-Waterproof-Front-Entry-/221888442754?var=&hash=item33a994f182:m:mHoULqKd2dYDlg3BqDGDXTA

My kayak partner bought one of these two seasons ago- cost was $250 at that time. It has held up for light use to provide immersion protection safety. It breathes well, robust fabric in the seat and knees. Zippers are great (sometimes a bit stiff to get the last 1" sealed). This is a great drysuit choice for a lower budget. 

I personally think the drysuit is one piece of gear where you should get exactly what you want for your usage conditions.  If your life is worth saving from exposure- get the right gear!  If you're in warmer water and close to shore with lakes and rivers then you can cheat on immersion protection a little.  Just hoping you don't end up immersed is not a very good safety plan.


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I think if you have a pedal kayak you are going to wear out the crotch and thigh area regardless of brand. There is no doubt that a more expensive suit is better but how much better is the question. I use my waders with a belt but have never yet dumped my yak. Got a rogue wave last time out but easily survived it. It's usually a good 4-5' swell when I go out, maybe I'm used to it?

Waders with a belt is a personal decision if you're willing to take the risks.  Don't confuse it with immersion gear - because it isn't.
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Ok, here is my 2c worth. I survived a 30 minute immersion in the sub 40f Lake Coeur d’Alene this March, I believe my fish finder registered 38f, I was wearing no cotton clothing, only “performance” clothing under chest high neoprene waders with a belt cinched high waist and suspenders. I turtled while reaching for a rod behind me and didn’t think I was unbalancing the boat until I was in the water. My second mistake was wearing an automatic co2 life vest, it went off as soon as I hit the water. It was my life vest of choice for my 17ft bow rider and I had previously decided that I would not wear it in my kayak, realizing that if it went off I was done for the day, plus practicing self rescue with it would cost $25 for each emersion. Consequently I had only practiced self rescue, with my PFD, successfully I might add. Now___ that life jacket did save my life. But if you have ever experienced going for a swim with one of those on you will understand that they don’t want to let you get face down, and stick out very far in front of you, which make it difficult to swim except on your back, and it holds you so far off the side of the kayak, making it difficult to perform an effective self rescue. I made a decision not to deflate it to any extent in case I still couldn’t right the boat and get back on it, hoping that I could swim the kayak to shore or get rescued. Well, trying to swim an upturned kayak with all the gear and seat causing drag was like one step forward and two steps back. I was blessed to be rescued by a retired fireman who was on his way to the Higgins Point boat launch when he was flagged down by some runners who heard my calls for help on the otherwise deserted middle of March lakeside trail. I was in the water for approximately 30 min. On rescue I had minimal water in the waders. My core temp was 95, borderline mild hypothermic. I did not go to the emergency room, and suffered no lasting problems (that I know of). I am 69 and convinced that the waders saved me from hypothermia and the life jacket saved me from drowning, even if it did hamper my numerous attempts to self rescue. I have since done a lot of self analysis. I have added some self rescue stirrups each side of my kayak to assist righting a heavy, fully rigged wide beam fishing kayak, along with a paddle float. I will never wear a co2 auto life jacket on my kayak, but wear a good PFD designed for kayak fishing. I also now have a farmer john wet suit for cold water, as the ideal of a dry suit along with warm layers is outside my budget at this time. Incidentally, I lost none of my gear because I tethered everything. And my Gopro and Garmin fish finder suffered no problems even though they were immersed for at least 30 minuits. I know, its a lot more than 2c worth but the rest is free because I just wanted to share my experience with you.
Bottom line is. Always wear your PFD and dress for the conditions you are kayaking in. Also, don’t underestimate the potential of sub 70 deg f water to end your life. Even if your waders do fill with water, they are the same weight as the water you are in. The problem occurs when you try to get out of the water. So they do not “drag you down” in non fast moving water.
Since writing this report I have purchased a Kokotat Hydrus Angler wetsuit and love it. If it gets to warm I dump water on it.
This video was the fateful day 1 mile before I turtled. The cameras were not running at the time of the incident.

https://www.facebook.com/anthony.nixon.522/videos/vb.100000115213407/1292769977403497/?type=3
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Ok, here is my 2c worth.

Seventy-degree water is deadly, too.

It's always a good idea to study this site before making temperature-safety comments: http://www.coldwatersafety.org/WhatIsCold.html


And read their explanation of why there's a difference between falling into relatively flat water and falling into choppy water, and that difference can kill you.

BTW, when your core temperature reaches 95-degrees, you have reached clinically hypothermic by definition.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2016, 05:56:17 PM by Tinker »
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A Very Remarkable Swim
An excellent example of how body fat can prolong cold water survival is the remarkable case of Icelandic fisherman Gudlaugur Fridthorsson. On a cold night in March, 1984, Fridthorsson was working on a 75 foot (23 meter) commercial fishing vessel when her nets snagged on the ocean bottom and she capsized three miles off the rugged coast of Heimaey Island.

Although he wasn't a particularly good swimmer, Fridthorsson swam for six hours in 41-43F (5-6C) water before reaching shore. He was the sole survivor of the five-man crew. How in the world did he do it? In a word, he was obese. At 6'4' and 275 lbs, he had a chart-busting BMI in excess of 30. His physique was similar to a seal’s.

Tell that to your doc next time (s)he tells you to lose weight.  ;)
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Ok, here is my 2c worth.

Seventy-degree water is deadly, too.

It's always a good idea to study this site before making temperature-safety comments: http://www.coldwatersafety.org/WhatIsCold.html


And read their explanation of why there's a difference between falling into relatively flat water and falling into choppy water, and that difference can kill you.

BTW, when your core temperature reaches 95-degrees, you have reached clinically hypothermic by definition.

Para 1,2, I read it before I posted. I was just talking about my personal experience not expounding on the overall science.
Para 3, I didn't read that part. I'll have to go back and do so.
Para 4, Right I believe it's clinically mild hypothermic. Fortunately they didn't use a rectal thermometer, just under arm, so prob not as acurate. They did want to take me to the emergency room but I declined as I was feeling fine once I warmed up in the truck and had my dry clothes on that I had in a dry bag.
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Tinker

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Although he wasn't a particularly good swimmer, Fridthorsson swam for six hours in 41-43F (5-6C) water before reaching shore. He was the sole survivor of the five-man crew. How in the world did he do it? In a word, he was obese. At 6'4' and 275 lbs, he had a chart-busting BMI in excess of 30. His physique was similar to a seal’s.

Tell that to your doc next time (s)he tells you to lose weight.  ;)

I tell it to my daughter when she tries to get me to do Pilates with her...
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A Very Remarkable Swim
An excellent example of how body fat can prolong cold water survival is the remarkable case of Icelandic fisherman Gudlaugur Fridthorsson. On a cold night in March, 1984, Fridthorsson was working on a 75 foot (23 meter) commercial fishing vessel when her nets snagged on the ocean bottom and she capsized three miles off the rugged coast of Heimaey Island.

Although he wasn't a particularly good swimmer, Fridthorsson swam for six hours in 41-43F (5-6C) water before reaching shore. He was the sole survivor of the five-man crew. How in the world did he do it? In a word, he was obese. At 6'4' and 275 lbs, he had a chart-busting BMI in excess of 30. His physique was similar to a seal’s.

Tell that to your doc next time (s)he tells you to lose weight.  ;)

Just had annual physical and my doc said "you have the fitness of a Seal".

I said "Navy S.E.A.L.'S ? Wow, those guys are badass. Pretty good for my age."

He said "No, harbor seal. You have the BMI of a harbor seal. Let's talk about a plan blahblahblahzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
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Let's eat Grandma !

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