halibut fishing 2017

Oh my!  I am definitely leaving this forum, too.  The last thing I need is counseling on compassion!  Why back in High School I was voted "Guy Most Likely to be the 15th Dalai Lama" and I still console and care for homeless bunnies!  I've been in hugging sessions that would make most people tear up and cry. This is absolutely asinine when all a fellow is worrying about is the safety of others and he ends up being kicked around.  So many uncaring people in this life.  How sad!

Ya' still seeing two sides to the coin, Kyle?

You've basically nailed it.  One of my many pet peeves, and certainly one of the biggest, is the normalization of the learned behavior of the chronic victim mentality.  Call it out, tell them to put their big girl panties on, and move on.  Problem is that chronic victimhood doesn't lend itself to being open to suggestion or advice, so we can scream it out until we are blue in the face and it won't do a bit of good to the dude with the victim complex. 

Words sometimes show themselves to be unable to communicate thoughts fully.  And emoticons don't always do the trick to clarify them.  That being said I've looked a person in the eye, heard their tone of voice, observed their body language, and I still didn't like them.

From my observation an individual entered the forum, made some assumptions, communicated in unclear 'edgy' terminology and made some blanket judgments.  He subsequently received a 'virtual wedgie' and decided to go on his way before it could get sorted out.  Oh well.

This forum is a great place for us to learn from one another, but there has to be a bit of respect behind it all in order for it to work.

so when I read this header i was excited... and now i'm curious if a guy came down from Canada with limited salt experience ( rockfish and salmon ) Not wide open ocean,usually alot closer to shore (<5km) ... could i ask for a babysitter, id willing to pay for the beer...after  lol... I have a large window in my holidays in Late August early September id love to fill with some barn doors for the first time... Ohh and id be fine with doing a couple days so the "babysitter" can see my skills set and help me with anything before taking on the giants of the deep.

 Cheers.

so when I read this header i was excited... and now i'm curious if a guy came down from Canada with limited salt experience ( rockfish and salmon ) Not wide open ocean,usually alot closer to shore (<5km) ... could i ask for a babysitter, id willing to pay for the beer...after  lol... I have a large window in my holidays in Late August early September id love to fill with some barn doors for the first time... Ohh and id be fine with doing a couple days so the "babysitter" can see my skills set and help me with anything before taking on the giants of the deep.

 Cheers.

Unfortunately Washington's barn door season ends early in the year.  Only 1-2 weeks

There's usually an August all depth weekend in Oregon.

California has a hybrid split season half month on half off season and a till filled derby for the quota. Last year the quota was met and the season closed on September 24.

If you want late season halibut in the lower 48 look into those Fisheries. The area 2A numbers (WA/OR/CA) look pretty good this year but south of cape falcon might be impacted by the salmon closure in the KMZ switching angler effort over to halibut.

Time will tell, but that's where I'd look for late season, or plan a trip to Alaska.

If someone quits the forum in their second post, especially if that person is a "guest," The only response necessary is "SEA YA!"

Everything following is purely for enjoyment.  We had one recently on NCKA that went 11 pages.  Guy's first post was "I quit."  Haha whaddya do with that?

Nevertheless, NWKA guys are kind of scary, specially for us laid-back, snowflake, hippie-dippy Californio's.

Bushy (has no bunnies)

If someone quits the forum in their second post, especially if that person is a "guest," The only response necessary is "SEA YA!"

Everything following is purely for enjoyment.  We had one recently on NCKA that went 11 pages.  Guy's first post was "I quit."  Haha whaddya do with that?

Nevertheless, NWKA guys are kind of scary, specially for us laid-back, snowflake, hippie-dippy Californio's.

Bushy (has no bunnies)

Naw, NWKA guys aren't scary...they may have some Portland "Weird" in them, though.  Those that don't, are just real folks with a passion to kill fish while mounted on a Tupperware battle ship.

 

If someone quits the forum in their second post, especially if that person is a "guest," The only response necessary is "SEA YA!"

Everything following is purely for enjoyment. We had one recently on NCKA that went 11 pages.  Guy's first post was "I quit."  Haha whaddya do with that?

Nevertheless, NWKA guys are kind of scary, specially for us laid-back, snowflake, hippie-dippy Californio's.

Bushy (has no bunnies)

After that the guy joined up here and posted a few times.  It was a totally fine and normal newb interaction.  Seems like a decent enough guy who should get a second chance at life on NCKA if he ever wants one.  Probably under a new screen name, although he posted under the same one on here as he did there.

Oh my!  I am definitely leaving this forum, too.  The last thing I need is counseling on compassion!  Why back in High School I was voted "Guy Most Likely to be the 15th Dalai Lama" and I still console and care for homeless bunnies!  I've been in hugging sessions that would make most people tear up and cry. This is absolutely asinine when all a fellow is worrying about is the safety of others and he ends up being kicked around.  So many uncaring people in this life.  How sad!

Ya' still seeing two sides to the coin, Kyle?

Maybe do our reputation a favor and follow up on your "threat" to leave. What is asinine is the way he was treated. His first post clearly states he has been kayak fishing for some time and just got a new boat. Yeah he may be an asshat but in no way deserved what you gave him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if someone will "babysit" you. You never asked someone to watch your back because you weren't sure on your own? Some of us are actually decent enough to want to chaperone someone and ensure that nothing bad happens to them even at the expense of our own fishing. I like how you spoke for all of being assholes that won't help. You are the reason I love this sport but oftentimes hate the people in it.


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Oh my!  I am definitely leaving this forum, too.  The last thing I need is counseling on compassion!  Why back in High School I was voted "Guy Most Likely to be the 15th Dalai Lama" and I still console and care for homeless bunnies!  I've been in hugging sessions that would make most people tear up and cry. This is absolutely asinine when all a fellow is worrying about is the safety of others and he ends up being kicked around.  So many uncaring people in this life.  How sad!

Ya' still seeing two sides to the coin, Kyle?

Maybe do our reputation a favor and follow up on your "threat" to leave. What is asinine is the way he was treated. His first post clearly states he has been kayak fishing for some time and just got a new boat. Yeah he may be an asshat but in no way deserved what you gave him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if someone will "babysit" you. You never asked someone to watch your back because you weren't sure on your own? Some of us are actually decent enough to want to chaperone someone and ensure that nothing bad happens to them even at the expense of our own fishing. I like how you spoke for all of being assholes that won't help. You are the reason I love this sport but oftentimes hate the people in it.


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Now he's probably just going to anyways without all the help we could have provided. Bad things for him are on you.


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Oh my!  I am definitely leaving this forum, too.  The last thing I need is counseling on compassion!  Why back in High School I was voted "Guy Most Likely to be the 15th Dalai Lama" and I still console and care for homeless bunnies!  I've been in hugging sessions that would make most people tear up and cry. This is absolutely asinine when all a fellow is worrying about is the safety of others and he ends up being kicked around.  So many uncaring people in this life.  How sad!

Ya' still seeing two sides to the coin, Kyle?

Maybe do our reputation a favor and follow up on your "threat" to leave. What is asinine is the way he was treated. His first post clearly states he has been kayak fishing for some time and just got a new boat. Yeah he may be an asshat but in no way deserved what you gave him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if someone will "babysit" you. You never asked someone to watch your back because you weren't sure on your own? Some of us are actually decent enough to want to chaperone someone and ensure that nothing bad happens to them even at the expense of our own fishing. I like how you spoke for all of being assholes that won't help. You are the reason I love this sport but oftentimes hate the people in it.


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Now he's probably just going to anyways without all the help we could have provided. Bad things for him are on you.


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This is exactly what I was talking about, normalizing victim culture.  Whether or not Tinker acted badly, he is in no way responsible for future choices that anyone makes that is not named Tinker. The guy is not a victim.  Full stop.

Does coming in as the white knight make you feel better?  Making outlandish claims of responsibility for future acts based on offense that some random took to being warned off of a particular course of action in a way you deem too harsh?  That's infuriating. 

Hey people, how about we all take a couple hours of a break from the web, eh? This isn't going anywhere pretty.

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Oh my!  I am definitely leaving this forum, too.  The last thing I need is counseling on compassion!  Why back in High School I was voted "Guy Most Likely to be the 15th Dalai Lama" and I still console and care for homeless bunnies!  I've been in hugging sessions that would make most people tear up and cry. This is absolutely asinine when all a fellow is worrying about is the safety of others and he ends up being kicked around.  So many uncaring people in this life.  How sad!

Ya' still seeing two sides to the coin, Kyle?

Maybe do our reputation a favor and follow up on your "threat" to leave. What is asinine is the way he was treated. His first post clearly states he has been kayak fishing for some time and just got a new boat. Yeah he may be an asshat but in no way deserved what you gave him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if someone will "babysit" you. You never asked someone to watch your back because you weren't sure on your own? Some of us are actually decent enough to want to chaperone someone and ensure that nothing bad happens to them even at the expense of our own fishing. I like how you spoke for all of being assholes that won't help. You are the reason I love this sport but oftentimes hate the people in it.


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Now he's probably just going to anyways without all the help we could have provided. Bad things for him are on you.


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This is exactly what I was talking about, normalizing victim culture.  Whether or not Tinker acted badly, he is in no way responsible for future choices that anyone makes that is not named Tinker. The guy is not a victim.  Full stop.

Does coming in as the white knight make you feel better?  Making outlandish claims of responsibility for future acts based on offense that some random took to being warned off of a particular course of action in a way you deem too harsh?  That's infuriating.

Actually I wasn't calling him a victim but calling out some of our members for being asshats to new people in general.


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Oh my!  I am definitely leaving this forum, too.  The last thing I need is counseling on compassion!  Why back in High School I was voted "Guy Most Likely to be the 15th Dalai Lama" and I still console and care for homeless bunnies!  I've been in hugging sessions that would make most people tear up and cry. This is absolutely asinine when all a fellow is worrying about is the safety of others and he ends up being kicked around.  So many uncaring people in this life.  How sad!

Ya' still seeing two sides to the coin, Kyle?

Maybe do our reputation a favor and follow up on your "threat" to leave. What is asinine is the way he was treated. His first post clearly states he has been kayak fishing for some time and just got a new boat. Yeah he may be an asshat but in no way deserved what you gave him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if someone will "babysit" you. You never asked someone to watch your back because you weren't sure on your own? Some of us are actually decent enough to want to chaperone someone and ensure that nothing bad happens to them even at the expense of our own fishing. I like how you spoke for all of being assholes that won't help. You are the reason I love this sport but oftentimes hate the people in it.


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Now he's probably just going to anyways without all the help we could have provided. Bad things for him are on you.


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This is exactly what I was talking about, normalizing victim culture.  Whether or not Tinker acted badly, he is in no way responsible for future choices that anyone makes that is not named Tinker. The guy is not a victim.  Full stop.

Does coming in as the white knight make you feel better?  Making outlandish claims of responsibility for future acts based on offense that some random took to being warned off of a particular course of action in a way you deem too harsh?  That's infuriating.

Actually I wasn't calling him a victim but calling out some of our members for being asshats to new people in general.


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I get that tinker can rub people the wrong way.  I got into it with him once over something non fishing related and had him blocked for a time.  But he's not wrong in this thread.  He's accepted responsibility for his initial tone, which I actually didn't think was necessarily that bad.  Some of us are blunt.  I guess you picking here to tell tinker how you really feel just falls in line with that, and thats fine.  But Mr. coastie rescue swimmer Mr. Universe kayak fisherman extraordinaire could have been left out of it and nothing bad that happens to him is the fault of anyone here.  That's what I had an issue with. 

Well, that was fun.   

What we just witnessed is all part of the growing pains of an internet based community.  We've done a great job of showing the world what kayaks are capable of so of course people are wanting to join in the fun.  Lee, I remember you asking me to buddy you thru your 1st ocean experience.  The rest of y'all have eagerly learned and assimilated valuable lessons from the early members. 

I know from first hand experience that each and every one of you is a stand up guy whom I love to fish with but we all started somewhere.

I encourage and applaud the discussion of what might have gone better and how things have been miscommunicated so the thread will stay alive as a learning tool...for now.

-Mark-