Spring Chinook idea

Sounds like a great idea to me. I think you'd get a lot of push back from those complaining about establishing an 'elite' special interest group that has all the fish to themselves ---kind of like the gillnetters.

If you look at the majority of PB owners, as representatives of society in general, they couldn't care less about getting any exercise. Fat and lazy, conspicuous consumption is the name of the game.

Wow.. I didn't know we were such an elite group of super athletes with a divine right to fish because we choose to paddle instead of turn a key?  I thought the outdoors were a shared resource where we all get a chance to experience it when, where, and how we each see fit. Why is this always brought down to a middle school "us versus them" argument, we're good, their bad.. we rule, they suck...  apparently we're in great shape and they're all fat    Instead of closing doors and stereotyping, I would hope we would be getting in there and getting it done out on the water, showing what is possible in a yak (like spot), right in there next to our fellow sportsmen in powerboats, and working to educate and celebrate our commonalities instead of our differences. 

my my, how politically correct   

100% against any idea like this.  If your not comfortable with the crowds find someplace else to fish. The great thing about kayaks is that you can join in on the circus acts ( PDX springers, B10) or find solitude and fish away from the crowds.  The resources and the water are for everyone to enjoy.

Scott

If your not comfortable with the crowds find someplace else to fish. The great thing about kayaks is that you can join in on the circus acts ( PDX springers, B10) or find solitude and fish away from the crowds.  The resources and the water are for everyone to enjoy.

Scott

enjoyed in a responsible & respectful manner. think i'll start takin' some pics of oil slicks.

PNW,
i have to disagree with some of your undelying sentiments here. having read and supported many of your opinions here, this is one time i don't.

as many others have stated, we do have lots more options than just muddling along behind a power boat in a troliing conga line, inhaling their exhaust fumes.

we also have many members here who own power boats and have opened their minds to more than just sitting at a tiller or steering wheel or spending 300.00 a weekend in fuel, oil etc to catch fish or enjoy nature from the water.  for the most part, power boat ownership is usually either a luxury wherein the owner has the monetary means to purchase that larger boat and all the incidental costs such as fuel, registration, captaincy(sic) papers, mooring fees, LUXURY taxes, etc., or it's tied to a way of life such as those who use small boats to drop nets for salmon, or run a sportfishing guide service.

a kayak, gives those same people the abilities to do as HBH stated and enjoy the water, nature, whatever without all the noise, congestion, or even pollution. [ ever see the fine schedules for marine polluters who get caught?? we could both retire very wealthy on the fine off of one oil slick.]

either way, i don't see fishing from a kayak as a handicap nor a egalitarian sport. rather, to me, it's more of a thing that most every man woman and child can get into and enjoy.

like the ancient romans, i belive the waters of our nation are for the use and enjoyment of all citizens as a right. but that right comes with the responsibility of stewardship of those same waters. i've seen very responsible power boat owners and i've seen very irresponsible human power watercraft owners, and they come in all shapes and sizes and means of income.

to try and wedge a difference like you've stated in a round about way just does not sound like the same man who is standing up and fighting for something he very deeply belives in. your efforts are going to benefit a whole lot of people if they come to fuition, not just yak and canoe anglers and free divers who subsistance fish.

so, what gives? what has changed your mind or way of thinking?
[WR]

my apologies for jumping into this thread jack in my previous post.

no, i would not be in favor of such a regulation. personally i think it would divide us as sportsman/fishermen at a time when we actually need to be working together to strengthen our community and improve our fishing.

the earlier statement by someone about fat, lazy, power boaters? remember, that's just a few spoiling it for the rest who are probably really decent people.

 

Sounds like a great idea to me. I think you'd get a lot of push back from those complaining about establishing an 'elite' special interest group that has all the fish to themselves ---kind of like the gillnetters.

If you look at the majority of PB owners, as representatives of society in general, they couldn't care less about getting any exercise. Fat and lazy, conspicuous consumption is the name of the game.

Wow.. I didn't know we were such an elite group of super athletes with a divine right to fish because we choose to paddle instead of turn a key?  I thought the outdoors were a shared resource where we all get a chance to experience it when, where, and how we each see fit. Why is this always brought down to a middle school "us versus them" argument, we're good, their bad.. we rule, they suck...  apparently we're in great shape and they're all fat    Instead of closing doors and stereotyping, I would hope we would be getting in there and getting it done out on the water, showing what is possible in a yak (like Spot), right in there next to our fellow sportsmen in powerboats, and working to educate and celebrate our commonalities instead of our differences. 

Sorry to all if I offended anyone. That wasn't my intent while making general statements. Sometimes I need to actually listen to my wife and keep my mouth shut. 

However, looking at my post...at no point did I say anything about kayak fishers being any different or better than those fishing from PBs. The facts are that nearly 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese, with nearly half of those in the obese category. We are all part of this statistic. If you need to see the reality, the next time you go to a shopping mall or any large general public gathering, spend a few minutes just looking at the people that are all around you.

The obvious difference is that by kayak fishing, we have chosen to do something about it. Along the way, our choice also means we don't need a much larger vehicle to get our vessel on the water and we likely are using much less fuel throughout the day.

Again, I am not trying to insult or anger anyone. I'm just making a few observations. Happy to discuss, but not ifish style...

Jay

Jay, I am in shape therefore I kayak- Round is a shape! 

You didn't offend me, bro.

Actually, the kayak thing is totally my wifes fault and the fishing part is NWKA.com's fault.  Had I not drifted into this site, I would just be paddling around aimlessly without spending countless dollars on everything it takes to go fishing.   

I will say though, that I do have a powerboat and it is fairly efficient considering it does run on fuel.  It is relatively new at only 4 years old, so I don't plan on selling it any time soon.   For those that truely oppose power boats and their users, I can't really do much about that. 

PNW,
i have to disagree with some of your undelying sentiments here. having read and supported many of your opinions here, this is one time i don't.

as many others have stated, we do have lots more options than just muddling along behind a power boat in a troliing conga line, inhaling their exhaust fumes.

we also have many members here who own power boats and have opened their minds to more than just sitting at a tiller or steering wheel or spending 300.00 a weekend in fuel, oil etc to catch fish or enjoy nature from the water.  for the most part, power boat ownership is usually either a luxury wherein the owner has the monetary means to purchase that larger boat and all the incidental costs such as fuel, registration, captaincy(sic) papers, mooring fees, LUXURY taxes, etc., or it's tied to a way of life such as those who use small boats to drop nets for salmon, or run a sportfishing guide service.

a kayak, gives those same people the abilities to do as HBH stated and enjoy the water, nature, whatever without all the noise, congestion, or even pollution. [ ever see the fine schedules for marine polluters who get caught?? we could both retire very wealthy on the fine off of one oil slick.]

either way, i don't see fishing from a kayak as a handicap nor a egalitarian sport. rather, to me, it's more of a thing that most every man woman and child can get into and enjoy.

like the ancient romans, i belive the waters of our nation are for the use and enjoyment of all citizens as a right. but that right comes with the responsibility of stewardship of those same waters. i've seen very responsible power boat owners and i've seen very irresponsible human power watercraft owners, and they come in all shapes and sizes and means of income.

to try and wedge a difference like you've stated in a round about way just does not sound like the same man who is standing up and fighting for something he very deeply belives in. your efforts are going to benefit a whole lot of people if they come to fuition, not just yak and canoe anglers and free divers who subsistance fish.

so, what gives? what has changed your mind or way of thinking?
[WR]

WR -
my mistake. i never took this thread very seriously & probly shouldn't a said anything. the "Spring Chinook idea" is a non-starter anyway. my comments were meant to be tongue in cheek & a little gig at those that seemed to get what i thought was a little over prickly on the subject; also a possibly misguided attempt on my part to stick up for Jay, even though he probly shoulda left out the generously proportioned & overly languid comment. (would that make him eligible for the a$$ hat? i'd be willing to share it with him; co-half a$$ hat wearers) bty, some of my best friends own & operate stink pots. 

I've spent most of my life near the Great Pacific fishing, surfing & free diving. I've been a loner at this sport for several years now, up til i started blogging here. obviously the salt has thoroughly permeated my being, so please excuse me if afore mentioned salt sometimes abrades. this is what hasn't changed: i don't particularly like the smell of petro fuel or hanging around hog lines. i do find other places to fish, & don't need to be told to do so.

any rational argument has the potential to change my mind. i try to stay open-minded & willing to adapt. no hard feelings i hope.

Best regards,
Paul

Paul,
my apologies, also. seems one misunderstanding led to another.

truce?

Paul,
my apologies, also. seems one misunderstanding led to another.

truce?

absolutely!