Camping using my H Revo - am I kidding myself?

I've been considering disaster survival for some time now - yes, the big one.  I have BBQs and a number of 20# propane bottles.  It has been a while since I looked at backpacking stoves, but one issue I have with them is that they lock you into proprietary fuel sources with funky connectors.  Does anyone sell adapters for standard propane bottles to MSR stoves (for example)? 

They aren't exactly proprietary.  Most of them use the butane/propane/isobutane style canisters.  They are a small to medium can (medium being slightly smaller than the green propane cans) and have a threaded attachment.  Coleman and Primus and a few others use the exact same threading and can be interchanged, although depending on what you're using, it may not burn as effeciently (my lantern won't get bright on coleman brand fuel, but puts out a ton of light with primus brand)

Actually, propane is proprietary.  I don't know anything else that fits it.  

BUT, propane is cheaper and more readily available.  From a survivalist standpoint, you should stick with propane, or get a white gas stove, that you can put liquid fuel in.  

The purpose of canister stoves is lightweight backpacking with fuel efficiency in mind.  (If you're really thinking about efficiency, jetboil is awesome - and Primus and I think MSR have a version of it as well)

Primus:


Coleman:


MSR:


Jetboil:



PP, I set my primus stove up on my buddy's drift boat the other day when we were floating the Satsop.  It was nice having a warm meal as it was rainy, windy, and cold that day!

Strap that baby down on your yak deck and cook your lunch right there. 

I've been considering disaster survival for some time now - yes, the big one.  I have BBQs and a number of 20# propane bottles.  It has been a while since I looked at backpacking stoves, but one issue I have with them is that they lock you into proprietary fuel sources with funky connectors.  Does anyone sell adapters for standard propane bottles to MSR stoves (for example)?  

They aren't exactly proprietary.  Most of them use the butane/propane/isobutane style canisters.  They are a small to medium can (medium being slightly smaller than the green propane cans) and have a threaded attachment.  Coleman and Primus and a few others use the exact same threading and can be interchanged, although depending on what you're using, it may not burn as effeciently (my lantern won't get bright on coleman brand fuel, but puts out a ton of light with primus brand)

Actually, propane is proprietary.  I don't know anything else that fits it.  

BUT, propane is cheaper and more readily available.  From a survivalist standpoint, you should stick with propane, or get a white gas stove, that you can put liquid fuel in.  

The purpose of canister stoves is lightweight backpacking with fuel efficiency in mind.  (If you're really thinking about efficiency, jetboil is awesome - and Primus and I think MSR have a version of it as well)

Primus:


Coleman:


MSR:


Jetboil:



PP, I set my primus stove up on my buddy's drift boat the other day when we were floating the Satsop.  It was nice having a warm meal as it was rainy, windy, and cold that day!

I have a dedicated Jet Boil in my sled just for making coffee (french press attachment), tea or my favorite, insant Miso soup. I also like to cook hotdogs/sausage with it. Scoop up some river water (not from the willy or columbia ) get it boiling, put a package of hot dogs in the pot "on end", toast up the buns on the propane boat heater and pass out the Catsup and Mustard.   Fast, hot and filling

I've been considering disaster survival for some time now - yes, the big one.  I have BBQs and a number of 20# propane bottles.  It has been a while since I looked at backpacking stoves, but one issue I have with them is that they lock you into proprietary fuel sources with funky connectors.  Does anyone sell adapters for standard propane bottles to MSR stoves (for example)? 

The MSR multi fuel will run on deisel or whisky or rubbing alcohaul or propane....not sure of adapters though. I think for your 2012 survival kit, multifuel would be the way to go.

I've been considering disaster survival for some time now - yes, the big one.  I have BBQs and a number of 20# propane bottles.  It has been a while since I looked at backpacking stoves, but one issue I have with them is that they lock you into proprietary fuel sources with funky connectors.  Does anyone sell adapters for standard propane bottles to MSR stoves (for example)?  

They aren't exactly proprietary.  Most of them use the butane/propane/isobutane style canisters.  They are a small to medium can (medium being slightly smaller than the green propane cans) and have a threaded attachment.  Coleman and Primus and a few others use the exact same threading and can be interchanged, although depending on what you're using, it may not burn as effeciently (my lantern won't get bright on coleman brand fuel, but puts out a ton of light with primus brand)

Actually, propane is proprietary.  I don't know anything else that fits it.  

BUT, propane is cheaper and more readily available.  From a survivalist standpoint, you should stick with propane, or get a white gas stove, that you can put liquid fuel in.  

The purpose of canister stoves is lightweight backpacking with fuel efficiency in mind.  (If you're really thinking about efficiency, jetboil is awesome - and Primus and I think MSR have a version of it as well)

Primus:


Coleman:


MSR:


Jetboil:



PP, I set my primus stove up on my buddy's drift boat the other day when we were floating the Satsop.  It was nice having a warm meal as it was rainy, windy, and cold that day!

I use the canister stoves for boiling water and making coffee (MSR Pocket rocket) It's like a jet engine that boils water in 1minute, but I like white gas for actual cooking (MSR Simmerlite)

You can buy a big can of white gas (I've had the same one for 7 years) and refill the reusable fuel bottles. I think white gas is more versitile than the canisters. and you can use white gas to get a fire going in a rain storm.

Soooooooo, I look longingly at my Revo and dream of when the weather turns and going Yak camping/angling for the first and hopefully many times.  Then reality begins to ping my brain, wondering where to put the camping gear for say a 2-5 day trip.  How is this done on this peddler yak?   Do I consider towing a small sot-tailer - what would that be like?
Any input would be greatly appreciated - thinking of this as a winter thought and action project.
holtfisher

Has anyone created or thought through a single outrigger with trampoline on their Revo? Am wondering if this might allow for carrying a couple of dry bags for camping, still keeping in mind a minimalst approach. The extra space for carrying some of the camping items is appealing at first blush. The real estate on the Revo for carrying camping gear is quite small. My camping would likely be around the south sound or in SJ's. Will appreciate any thoughts.

I think that would make the boat extremely (more) in effecient. Probably better off buying a different boat.

But yes, hobie thought of this years ago, but you sail a hobie-cat rather than paddle it.

I've been considering disaster survival for some time now - yes, the big one.  I have BBQs and a number of 20# propane bottles.  It has been a while since I looked at backpacking stoves, but one issue I have with them is that they lock you into proprietary fuel sources with funky connectors.  Does anyone sell adapters for standard propane bottles to MSR stoves (for example)?  

They aren't exactly proprietary.  Most of them use the butane/propane/isobutane style canisters.  They are a small to medium can (medium being slightly smaller than the green propane cans) and have a threaded attachment.  Coleman and Primus and a few others use the exact same threading and can be interchanged, although depending on what you're using, it may not burn as effeciently (my lantern won't get bright on coleman brand fuel, but puts out a ton of light with primus brand)

Actually, propane is proprietary.  I don't know anything else that fits it.  

BUT, propane is cheaper and more readily available.  From a survivalist standpoint, you should stick with propane, or get a white gas stove, that you can put liquid fuel in.  

The purpose of canister stoves is lightweight backpacking with fuel efficiency in mind.  (If you're really thinking about efficiency, jetboil is awesome - and Primus and I think MSR have a version of it as well)

Primus:


Coleman:


MSR:


Jetboil:



PP, I set my primus stove up on my buddy's drift boat the other day when we were floating the Satsop.  It was nice having a warm meal as it was rainy, windy, and cold that day!

I have a dedicated Jet Boil in my sled just for making coffee (french press attachment), tea or my favorite, insant Miso soup. I also like to cook hotdogs/sausage with it. Scoop up some river water (not from the willy or columbia ) get it boiling, put a package of hot dogs in the pot "on end", toast up the buns on the propane boat heater and pass out the Catsup and Mustard.   Fast, hot and filling

The msr white gas stoves are advantageous over canister because you get more fuel vs. same volume canister. The liquid fuel you pump to pressurize, so instead of hauling vaporized gas, your hauling a sh*tload more liquid gas in the same size canister.....AND you don't have to go to a hazardous waste disposal drop point to get rid of empty canisters. Less work, less waste, more bang for your buck....err storage capacity in the boat.

I think that would make the boat extremely (more) in effecient. Probably better off buying a different boat.

But yes, hobie thought of this years ago, but you sail a hobie-cat rather than paddle it.

Hi Nanook, am at a point in my life (eve of hitting 70) definite newbie to kayaks and kayak angling, and have found that the Revo peddling and all aspects of it are very friendly to this ol body, sooooo am seeking an adaptation for carryhing the necessary camping gear, thus the idea of a single outrigger to help with the bulk of some of the semi-minimilist items. I would like to enjoy being self reliant, and at times no doubt would go with another guy.  The Revo does not ppear to me to be able to hold much camping gear, however will purchase the gear over the winter and learn how to pack and improve packing.
Am seeking any innovative thoughts on the downrigger idea from this wonderful forum. The input has really been supurb.  Thanks Nanook always for your thoughts and friendly jabs to the peddlers.  You and others keep me thinking and exploring outside the box.   Holt

Hi Nanook, am at a point in my life (eve of hitting 70) definite newbie to kayaks and kayak angling, and have found that the Revo peddling and all aspects of it are very friendly to this ol body, sooooo am seeking an adaptation for carrying the necessary camping gear, thus the idea of a single outrigger to help with the bulk of some of the semi-minimilist items. I would like to enjoy being self reliant, and at times no doubt would go with another guy.  The Revo does not ppear to me to be able to hold much camping gear, however will purchase the gear over the winter and learn how to pack and improve packing.
Am seeking any innovative thoughts on the downrigger idea from this wonderful forum. The input has really been supurb.  Thanks Nanook always for your thoughts and friendly jabs to the peddlers.  You and others keep me thinking and exploring outside the box.   Holt

I thought I was a late blooming kayak angler starting this year at 56. 

Dood, you are my hero. 

I know Scotty makes an outrigger system that plugs into a flush mount rod holder.

http://shop.aldercreek.com/Fishing-Gear/Kayak-Fishing-Accessories/Kayak-Stabilizer-Kit-C120-i91164.html

They're not cheap, but you could do one fore and one aft and rig a tarp or trampoline between them.

I still think that if you really can't get all your stuff in/on the yak, you'd be better off getting a bigger boat than doing an outrigger.

If you can, bring your boat on Wed. and I'm 99% positive we've got stuff & ideas to make your revo work. You should be able to get more than 6x20L dry bags in the hull, and with a 50L tied down on deck aft and one 30L on the bow, that's 200L+ of storage, more than I have in a 17'8 sea kayak made for multi day expeditions.

Unless you are taking out of the ordinary items, the revo should be more than ample for destination camping for 3-5 days.

You might have to install some tie down points, bungee, and/or perimeter line, but it's doable, especially if you're going somewhere and unloading and day paddling from base camp.

I'd love to see some other ideas though.....

Holt,

Just a few of thoughts on reducing weight and bulk:

1. If you can get away without an ice chest, that will help a “ton”.

2. You can get your stove down to just a 3 oz  MSR pocket rocket and a 4 or 8 oz of fuel canister to go with it.  Many times you can supplement that with wood fires, but not always.

3. Reduce both the bulk and weight of your sleeping bag as much as your budget will allow.  Just remember that down won’t keep you warm if it gets the least bit wet.  Also, one thing that I know about myself is that I can’t sleep in a mummy style bag, so I pay a bulk/weight price right there.

4. Get your sleeping PAD down to a minimum, again remembering that you must actually be able to sleep on it.  I think that this may be the one that turns out to be the hardest one of all for most of us.  If you can pull it off (try it out at home), I don’t think you can beat an air mattress.  I personally can NOT pull that one off.  Might as well be trying to sleep on a tire inner tube.  So I use a 3/8” piece of closed cell foam to dampen the effects of rocks, etc. and then a 25” x 72” x 1.5” self inflating pad on top of the foam for comfort.  The foam is only $10 but the pad was somewhere around $100, both at REI.  Just the self inflating pad alone is more than most backpackers will use, but I find that its right at the minimum upon which I’m able to sleep.

Fishin-T

I know Scotty makes an outrigger system that plugs into a flush mount rod holder.

http://shop.aldercreek.com/Fishing-Gear/Kayak-Fishing-Accessories/Kayak-Stabilizer-Kit-C120-i91164.html

They're not cheap, but you could do one fore and one aft and rig a tarp or trampoline between them.

I still think that if you really can't get all your stuff in/on the yak, you'd be better off getting a bigger boat than doing an outrigger.

If you can, bring your boat on Wed. and I'm 99% positive we've got stuff & ideas to make your revo work. You should be able to get more than 6x20L dry bags in the hull, and with a 50L tied down on deck aft and one 30L on the bow, that's 200L+ of storage, more than I have in a 17'8 sea kayak made for multi day expeditions.

Unless you are taking out of the ordinary items, the revo should be more than ample for destination camping for 3-5 days.

You might have to install some tie down points, bungee, and/or perimeter line, but it's doable, especially if you're going somewhere and unloading and day paddling from base camp.

I'd love to see some other ideas though.....

Hello Jason, that sounds great, I'll bring the yak down with me and expect to hit Alderbrook in Portland around or just after lunch. I would love to purchase the dry bags Wednesday and gain any ideas as well that I could work on over the winter. Please let me know by PM Tuesday who I should look up.  Thank you. Holt

Hi Nanook, am at a point in my life (eve of hitting 70) definite newbie to kayaks and kayak angling, and have found that the Revo peddling and all aspects of it are very friendly to this ol body, sooooo am seeking an adaptation for carrying the necessary camping gear, thus the idea of a single outrigger to help with the bulk of some of the semi-minimilist items. I would like to enjoy being self reliant, and at times no doubt would go with another guy.  The Revo does not ppear to me to be able to hold much camping gear, however will purchase the gear over the winter and learn how to pack and improve packing.

Hey D - nahhhhhh, just a guy loving life and the Lord.
Holt
Am seeking any innovative thoughts on the downrigger idea from this wonderful forum. The input has really been supurb.  Thanks Nanook always for your thoughts and friendly jabs to the peddlers.  You and others keep me thinking and exploring outside the box.   Holt

I thought I was a late blooming kayak angler starting this year at 56. 

Dood, you are my hero. 

Soooooooo, I look longingly at my Revo and dream of when the weather turns and going Yak camping/angling for the first and hopefully many times.  Then reality begins to ping my brain, wondering where to put the camping gear for say a 2-5 day trip.  How is this done on this peddler yak?   Do I consider towing a small sot-tailer - what would that be like?
Any input would be greatly appreciated - thinking of this as a winter thought and action project.
holtfisher

Today was an exciting day, drove to Vancouver from Lacey early for a long morning meeting then by pre arrangement drove over to Alder Creek to learn some basics on how to pack the Revo for 3-5 days self sustained camping.  Jason whom I trust yet only know through reading NWKA, was off work today however he set me up with Paul who also knows his stuff!  I rolled the Revo into the showroom, brought in a couple of light saw horses along with some gear I already had and set up. Paul probed and poked the Revo then said he agreed with Jason that I could pack and do what I want to.  Paul brought out a one page guide on the science of packing a kayak. Asked some questions, then we began to pull dry bags off the shelf, capture air in them and stuffed in the yak along with my sleeping bag already in a dry bag.  I really knew nothing about packing a yak and now have the basics.  A key to my yak is to use several small bags inside the hull.  Amazing how many nooks and cranny’s there are. 
We wound up with just one duffle bag to strap on behind the crate. For those interested in camping and are not real familiar with kayak camping like me, may find the following list interesting.

Pulled the 20’ of pool noodles because the dry bags will displace plenty of volume. A couple of the larger bags will be placed empty through the 8” hatch and then stuffed with gear.

INSIDE HULL:
2- 4L Dromedary bags for water placed under my seat
1 Kodiak taper 20L for inside stern (put in empty then stuff full)
4- evac 8L
2- evac 5L
2- Dry Sack 5L
2- Dry Sack 8L
2- Dry Sack 13L
1- Dry Sack 20L

OUTSIDE LASHED TO REAR DECK:
1- wide Mouth Duffle 40L

OTHER:
For fun – Waay Cool hand fishing line

Now the winter project is to learn about what to fill the bags with that is practical and fits the budget and allows me to camp and be self contained, yet able to camp with others. No need for thinking further of an outrigger – Yea!.
If this is too much detailed information please let me know.  Sure don’t want to bore anyone as I work on this project.   Holt