Strange looking new Kayak/SUP hybrid

I stumbled across this today. 

http://www.santacruzkayaks.com/products.htm

Apparently, it can be paddled standing up.  It seems a little wide in the rear, so it may be a knuckle knocker, but then again maybe not.  Doesn't look like it has a lot of storage options. 

-Craig

Looks like it would be difficult to turn.  Interesting design though.

begs to have a high thrust trolling motor...

Apparently, it can be paddled standing up. 

So can a Fish 'n' Dive with lots of storage.

I was thinking the same thing.

True

Apparently, it can be paddled standing up. 

So can a Fish 'n' Dive with lots of storage.

I think I would rather have the fish'n'dive

Allen Bushnell took this guy out of Santa Cruz on a guided trip.  It was with the wood prototype.  He was trying to describe it to me and I couldn't picture it in my mind.  Not sure what to make of one until I paddle one.

-Allen

Interesting direction this thing is going in. Looks like the batmobile.

Z

Hmmmm. Looks like it might have faster lines than a regular SOT, but my personal feelings have me shying away from calling anything a kayak that deviates to far from true kayak form.

If you don't use a keel/edge/chine/trim to control directions, in my opinion it is just paddling, not kayaking. Because most SOT's still do this even though most on them don't utilize it, they're still kayaks. At the risk of getting jumped again, this thing is more of a paddle boat than a kayak.

When I was a kid we had little 10ft foam filled/plastic molded "bass boats" with trolling motors. Sometimes I used a canoe paddle to move it around, but that doesn't make it a canoe.


I don't call motorcycles bicycles or drift boats canoes, not sure why everyone wants to call everything that requires a double-blade-paddle a kayak, but it is interesting. A motor absolutely takes it out of the kayak category. Sometimes people use sails on their kayaks, but that doesn't make it a sail boat.

Just being a kayak dork here, not trying to cause a riot. I don't want kayak fishing to turn into small power boat fishing. It kind of defeats the purpose.

J

The OK version of this hybrid seems to be done a little better IMO. More of a kayak and an SUP. Although they really need to put the kaibosh on that tribal tattoo look.


Since the Raptor is a SIK that makes it sinkable when standing. Plus it looks like the batmobile.

Z

Oh my god I paddled that Nalu and it is the biggest waist of plastic the world has ever seen. It's not even stable! It's heavy, slow, unstable, and uncomfortable. No offense OK, but that ones going strait to the dumpster.

J

Apparently, it can be paddled standing up.

So can a Fish 'n' Dive with lots of storage.

So can an OK Trident (just not very good by me!). You can pretty much stand on any SOT I've found.

J

The OK version of this hybrid seems to be done a little better IMO. More of a kayak and an SUP. Although they really need to put the kaibosh on that tribal tattoo look.


Since the Raptor is a SIK that makes it sinkable when standing. Plus it looks like the batmobile.

Z

Oh my god I paddled that Nalu and it is the biggest waist of plastic the world has ever seen. It's not even stable! It's heavy, slow, unstable, and uncomfortable. No offense OK, but that ones going strait to the dumpster.


Sit in kayaks only float below the surface if they don't have bulkheads. That would make it a flat-water recreation boat if there aren't bulkheads. That's the main difference between sea kayaks and recreational kayaks.
J

It may fill with water, but it has a foam filled bottom so it shouldn't sink.  Of course neither should the Titanic have sunk.

That's why I said "float below the surface"

Most plastic boats are close to neutrally buoyant, with or without foam. They may go sub surface, but they won't sink.....unless it's filled with bricks.

The real issue is draining a boat with no bulkheads in the event of a capsize. It's a total pain in the arse. Water weighs more than 8#/gallon, so even a 10 foot rec boat will hold 80-100 gallons....draining an 800# boat is NOT COOL!.....trust me. I've done it a bunch. When you do a standard T-rescue, the water rushes to the front of the boat and the back of the boat, and most of it stays in the boat. Once you've pulled a few back muscles and got 1/4 of the water out over an hour, then you get to spend the next 30-40 minutes bilge pumping the remaining 75 gallons of water out, at which point if I'm doing this for you, our friendship is dwindling, and you are probably getting hypothermic.

J

The OK version of this hybrid seems to be done a little better IMO. More of a kayak and an SUP. Although they really need to put the kaibosh on that tribal tattoo look.


Since the Raptor is a SIK that makes it sinkable when standing. Plus it looks like the batmobile.

Z

Oh my god I paddled that Nalu and it is the biggest waist of plastic the world has ever seen. It's not even stable! It's heavy, slow, unstable, and uncomfortable. No offense OK, but that ones going strait to the dumpster.


Sit in kayaks only float below the surface if they don't have bulkheads. That would make it a flat-water recreation boat if there aren't bulkheads. That's the main difference between sea kayaks and recreational kayaks.
J

It may fill with water, but it has a foam filled bottom so it shouldn't sink.  Of course neither should the Titanic have sunk.

The Titanic sunk because of bulkhead failure!

You can pretty much stand on any SOT I've found.

I can't.  Bad balance.   

-Allen