NWKA AOTY (angler of the year)

(I did search first, before I asked this. Sorry if it's been covered before.)

Are catches that were entered into another tournament allowed in AOTY, assuming all rules are followed? The "comped participants" part is what has me wondering.

Thanks in advance.

Yeah, you're good to go, unless you paid a guide to take you around during the tournament  :-)

Yeah, you're good to go, unless you paid a guide to take you around during the tournament  :-)

I did, and I want my money back!!! 

Just kidding. Thanks for the response.

Added a couple of fish.

I just deleted my latest fish because another forum member pointed out that on the body of water I was fishing there is a maximum length for harvest, which I exceeded with my fish. So even though I CnR'd it, I can't get points for it?



As a paid-up 2014 participant I want to register my dissent at this rule. It is prohibitively restrictive. In some bodies of water you can't register anything but a monster (like a 30" minimum for lake trout), and in other cases you're limited on the top end.

If you are following ODFW regulations at all times what is the possible purpose of not allowing catches that exceed the maximum length? Are you trying to discourage catch-and-release fishing? It makes no sense.

By relieving this unnecessary restriction you would allow anglers to participate more in AOTY by registering over and undersized fish.

I just deleted my latest fish because another forum member pointed out that on the body of water I was fishing there is a maximum length for harvest, which I exceeded with my fish. So even though I CnR'd it, I can't get points for it?



As a paid-up 2014 participant I want to register my dissent at this rule. It is prohibitively restrictive. In some bodies of water you can't register anything but a monster (like a 30" minimum for lake trout), and in other cases you're limited on the top end.

If you are following ODFW regulations at all times what is the possible purpose of not allowing catches that exceed the maximum length? Are you trying to discourage catch-and-release fishing? It makes no sense.

By relieving this unnecessary restriction you would allow anglers to participate more in AOTY by registering over and undersized fish.

The main reason for this rule is to prevent undue stress on fish that MUST anyways be released.  With some fish that you must release, you're not even allowed to remove them from the water for a measurement.  We'd rather be conservative and do what is best for the fish in these cases.

-Allen

I just deleted my latest fish because another forum member pointed out that on the body of water I was fishing there is a maximum length for harvest, which I exceeded with my fish. So even though I CnR'd it, I can't get points for it?



As a paid-up 2014 participant I want to register my dissent at this rule. It is prohibitively restrictive. In some bodies of water you can't register anything but a monster (like a 30" minimum for lake trout), and in other cases you're limited on the top end.

If you are following ODFW regulations at all times what is the possible purpose of not allowing catches that exceed the maximum length? Are you trying to discourage catch-and-release fishing? It makes no sense.

By relieving this unnecessary restriction you would allow anglers to participate more in AOTY by registering over and undersized fish.

The main reason for this rule is to prevent undue stress on fish that MUST anyways be released.  With some fish that you must release, you're not even allowed to remove them from the water for a measurement.  We'd rather be conservative and do what is best for the fish in these cases.

-Allen

Well I won't be so cocky as to make any more of a fuss about it. It just seems pretty arbitrary given how bass tourneys and other competitions are run.

I appreciate the response.

Additionally ... Many fisheries have rules in place that you may not remove fish from the water that can not be kept. We don't want to press people to take pictures of them breaking the law by removing certain fish from the water.
Too many different variations of laws to work into our rules. Easier to just make a blanket rule that you can only count fish that can be retained.

I just deleted my latest fish because another forum member pointed out that on the body of water I was fishing there is a maximum length for harvest, which I exceeded with my fish. So even though I CnR'd it, I can't get points for it?



As a paid-up 2014 participant I want to register my dissent at this rule. It is prohibitively restrictive. In some bodies of water you can't register anything but a monster (like a 30" minimum for lake trout), and in other cases you're limited on the top end.

If you are following ODFW regulations at all times what is the possible purpose of not allowing catches that exceed the maximum length? Are you trying to discourage catch-and-release fishing? It makes no sense.

By relieving this unnecessary restriction you would allow anglers to participate more in AOTY by registering over and undersized fish.

The main reason for this rule is to prevent undue stress on fish that MUST anyways be released.  With some fish that you must release, you're not even allowed to remove them from the water for a measurement.  We'd rather be conservative and do what is best for the fish in these cases.

-Allen

Well I won't be so cocky as to make any more of a fuss about it. It just seems pretty arbitrary given how bass tourneys and other competitions are run.

I appreciate the response.

I believe bass tourney follow size restrictions for the body of water they are fishing on.  So it's not arbitrary in that regard.

And in the past in other tournaments of this type, there has been quite the fuss regarding taking pics of native salmonids.

And like Fungunnin says, easier to make clear blanket rules that are easy to enforce.  In this case, the existing rules on a given body of water, which already should be being followed.

-Allen

Additionally ... Many fisheries have rules in place that you may not remove fish from the water that can not be kept. We don't want to press people to take pictures of them breaking the law by removing certain fish from the water.
Too many different variations of laws to work into our rules. Easier to just make a blanket rule that you can only count fish that can be retained.

My point is that the rules already state that you must be following the Federal/State/Local rules, so that would already preclude you from removing a fish from the water that should not be removed from the water (for example). If that is the whole point, then the rule is redundant and over-reaching. So the conclusion is that is not the whole point. Pole^2 has explained the point is that we're looking out for the fish which are required to be released. While I don't agree with that rule at least it is a reason that makes sense.

As for me, I'll make sure to play some Sarah McLachlan on my headphones while I hoist up my CnR catches for the camera.

I believe bass tourney follow size restrictions for the body of water they are fishing on.

Exactly. And for most species of fish there is no rule stating that you cannot take a picture of it out of the water and release it.

I believe bass tourney follow size restrictions for the body of water they are fishing on.

Exactly. And for most species of fish there is no rule stating that you cannot take a picture of it out of the water and release it.

But they too don't allow undersized or oversized fish to be entered in the tourney.  Same as AOTY.  That's the point I was making.

You know, there is a subtlety in the rules, depending on which state and the wording.  But to "retain" could include taking a picture of on a measuring device for the purposes of entering it in a tourney.  We'd like to avoid any grey areas such as this.

-Allen

I believe bass tourney follow size restrictions for the body of water they are fishing on.

Exactly. And for most species of fish there is no rule stating that you cannot take a picture of it out of the water and release it.

But they too don't allow undersized or oversized fish to be entered in the tourney.  Same as AOTY.  That's the point I was making.

You know, there is a subtlety in the rules, depending on which state and the wording.  But to "retain" could include taking a picture of on a measuring device for the purposes of entering it in a tourney.  We'd like to avoid any grey areas such as this.

-Allen

Alright, I give. Again, I appreciate the responses.

I think we could do that. I think Alan was going to try and get the recent catches back.

Would be nice. 

I think we could do that. I think Alan was going to try and get the recent catches back.

Would be nice. 

Like this..

http://aoty.northwestkayakanglers.com/leaderboard/list_recent

It's been there the whole time on the AOTY site under "Special Pages -> Most Recent"