Flush mounts standard on fish kayaks? for em, or against em?

Curious about what a community such as this thinks about this topic. I'd especially would love to hear from the folks that troll offshore.  I've heard a lot of negative on why manufacturers feel they must come on boats ruining the flat area where the angler could have mounted what they want there. It's been standard on fishing kayaks for a while, but with how educated the current kayak angler is about all sorts of accessories/options, should it be?

I'm still a newb but here's my 2 cents.

I like having the flushmounts behind my seat.  this keeps the area clear so I get to and move gear around a little easier.

I like having my normal rod holder up in front. I can change what direction that the rod is facing with ease and with the "quick set" i don't need to lift the rod before i try and set a hook.

I am also a newbie and don't expect to do a lot of pimping of my kayak. I like the mounts where they are. Net in one , wood shampooer in the other everything else way in the back out of the way.

Are you guys using them to troll baits or lures or just holding your rods?  If trolling, do you ever troll 2 at a time?  If so they would need to be flared out at a 45 degree angle.  So, having said that, you guys who fish more inland with overhanging limbs or what not, would you be cool with angled rod holders sticking your rods up and out where they could catch limbs...or, do those type waters not really exist in the Great Northwest?   

Many kayaks come in angler and non-angler versions, right?  The difference being rear flush mounts and graphics for the most part.

I always get the angler version.  I haven't had any problems with the factory placement.  Sure, they could be angled out more for some circumstances, and they could be angled out less for otherwise, but for me, it's no big deal with a compromise.

-Allen

My opinion is biased because I have an outback with plenty of rail space. I like have the 4 molded in rod holders. I had no problem mounting a scotty holder in front of each of the two front built in flush mounts as well (6 places to put a rod total). The scotty's are used to hold the rod while trolling or still-fishing (I added the two piece arm to each one to give me a lot of flexibility on angle and position). However, when I land a fish I like to drop the rod into the flush mount while I unhook. This is much easier and quicker than working the rod back into the scotty holder. Thus I am for flush mounts fore and aft and scotty mounts as well. The other advantage I find with having the 4 flush mounts and 2 scotty's is that when bass fishing. When bass fishing I set the scotty's to hold the rods parallel and tight to the yak. Thus, I can always move my extra rods around so that they are not in my way no matter which side of the kayak I am fishing and whether I am throwing parallel with the yak or perpendicular. If I had to strictly choose I would probably settle for aft flush mount and scotty's up front.

I've never tried trolling from the flush mounts so they are just storage to me. I've got to see the rod tip. The  new Ocean Kayaks have the "rod pod" with many holes right in front of you to mount rod holders and gadgets. It seems like a great system to me.

I've never tried trolling from the flush mounts so they are just storage to me. I've got to see the rod tip.

What crun said. I gotta see the tip. So I rarely use the factory flush mount to troll. The only time I use it is when I'm running a downrigger and even though it's much better because everything is off to the side and out of the way, after a few minutes I always end up with the rod in my holder on the opposite side rod holder I mounted and the rod is crossing across directly in front of me.  I sometimes hit it with my knees down rigging but I GOTTA see the rod tip!!!!!!!!!!!!

Behind the Seat:  Flush Mounts.  Easy and convenient.

In front of the Seat:  Nothing, or rails (like the WS Tarpon has) that you can mount removable gimbal mounts to.

I troll from my rail mounted RAM rod holders in the front, and the rear flush mounts are great for an extra rod/net in fresh water, or for your pole in salt water when dealing with extra toothy critters.

The only time I've used them for trolling was on the Tuna hunt.  Next time, I'll just go with my usual Scotty mount.  Like that guy from Alaska said, I like to see my rod tip.

That said, I like having the rear flush mounts.  I regularly use them to set my rod in while wrestling a fish in my lap or to hold a freshwater net or gaff.  Never had an issue with wanting to use the space for something else.

-Spot-

What Spot said.  I use it for rod storage and its home for my salmon net.  Front mounted Scotty for trolling. If you can't see your rod tip you're not really fishen

I like the two rear flush mounts.  For salmon I like them for storing my net on one side and the wood shampoo on the other side.  I have two forward ones I utilize for rod storage while dealing with a landed fish or re-rigging a rod.  I also added a Scotty mount up front for putting on a rod holder for trolling.  I gots ta see my rod tip like the previous two gentlemen, and Spot said.    

Just kiddin' Spot.

Are you guys using them to troll baits or lures or just holding your rods?  If trolling, do you ever troll 2 at a time?  If so they would need to be flared out at a 45 degree angle.  So, having said that, you guys who fish more inland with overhanging limbs or what not, would you be cool with angled rod holders sticking your rods up and out where they could catch limbs...or, do those type waters not really exist in the Great Northwest?   

Last year Oregon went to a option to fish with 2 poles on lake.
Yes I have trolled with 2 poles on lakes. No issues with limbs or anything.

As another Noob,  I doubt I have over 24 hours total trolling from a Kayak.   I still can't imagine having to look over my shoulder to see what the rod tip is doing.   I like the ability to have multiple options where the rod is angled in front of me with the Scotty and extender.

I use the factory installed flush mounts on my t13 for trollingoffshore, after beefing them up with backing plates and ss bolts. Different fishing down here than in the pnw, no weeds to foul your gear, and the fish I'm after don't often nibble but hit at full speed and take off running, so not as important to see the rod tip for me. Now, if I was dragging a spinner or herring in Tillamook, I'd def want to be able to see the rod to tell if there is weeds fouling my gear, or see if a cautious chinook is tasting my herring. Also, for bottom/drifting, I use a forward mounted ram holder, esp with live bait so I can see when the bait starts getting nervous and be ready to feed line to make sure the bait gets taken completely.
I regularly troll with two rods, run a shallow diving crank bait waaay back, and a short line with a jet diver/lead and bait deep. Hardly ever have tangles, except when a fish hits the long line and manages to get under the boat before I get the other line in.