Awesome trip to Hobuck beach near neah bay

Unlike other carbohydrates, HFCS does not stimulate the pancreas to produce insulin, which acts to quench hunger. It is processed by the liver similar to metabolism of ethanol.   Leptin is a hormone which is released by the insulin spike resulting from intake of glucose. Leptin signals a feedback loop in the brain to stop sending hunger signals, so absence of of leptin can leave you still hungry, or craving another "Big Gulp".

Got a reference for the assertion HFCS does not stimulate insulin production?  Seems like a myth because once sucrose is hydrolyzed in the stomach the rest of the GI tract can't tell the difference between the glucose and fructose from sucrose and that from HFCS.

Ummmmmm, this thread has definitely gone on a tangent!  From Hobuck to Shark Food to High Fructose Corn Syrup!

Hey seatownlion, sorry to hear about your string of bad luck. Its gotta get better after that!
Here's an update on my friend's "GWS sighting."  I asked around, and another local surfer told me that about the same day he saw a grey whale doing weird stuff right in the same area, like cruising in circles on its side, with its flukes and fins coming out of the water. He thinks that is probably what our other friend saw.

i also checked with a local kid who is pretty knowledgeable about sharks, and he said that the shark that stripped the gear from those salmon anglers was most likely a salmon shark. They frequent our coastal waters. He said that they can get over 12' long, and that there have been two known attacks on humans by them.

I remember reading (some time ago) similar info to what kallitype posted about how hfcs is metabolized and doesn't trigger the "satisfied" reaction, thus allowing people to drink more of the products containing it before they feel satisfied. That phenomenon (supposedly) is partly to blame for the rampant obesity problem in this country. That and the fact that snack food producers engineer the fat/sugar/salt formulas to stimulate the most amount of craving for more of the same.

Hobuck Beach...been a long time... I must go there!

Sorry Seatownlion, we all have ADD!

reference for glib assertions(remember, I am not saying that consumption of fructose is bad.  But excessive consumption of HFCS appears to be, jury still out)


 Teff, KL; Elliott SS, Tschöp M, Kieffer TJ, Rader D, Heiman M, Townsend RR, Keim NL, D'Alessio D, Havel PJ (June 2004). "Dietary fructose reduces circulating insulin and leptin, attenuates postprandial suppression of ghrelin, and increases triglycerides in women". J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 89 (6): 2963–72. doi:10.1210/jc.2003-031855. PMID 15181085.

"When fructose reaches the liver," says Dr. William J. Whelan, a biochemist at the University of Miami School of Medicine, "the liver goes bananas and stops everything else to metabolize the fructose." Eating fructose instead of glucose results in lower circulating insulin and leptin levels, and higher of ghrelin levels after the meal.[58] Since leptin and insulin decrease appetite and ghrelin increases appetite, some researchers suspect that eating large amounts of fructose increases the likelihood of weight gain.[59]
Excessive fructose consumption is also believed to contribute to the development of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.[60]

59^ Swan, Norman; Lustig, Robert H. "ABC Radio National, The Health Report, The Obesity Epidemic". Retrieved 2007-07-15.
^ Ouyang X, Cirillo P, Sautin Y, et al. (June 2008). "Fructose consumption as a risk factor for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease". J. Hepatol. 48 (6): 993–960=

The root of the problem is corn subsidies.  It's so cheap, that they put it in everything, and it makes unhealthy, overly sweetened crap, cheaper to make, cheaper to buy, and that results in it being eaten more than health food.

think about all the corn that goes into a cheeseburger

Corn feeds the cows that make the milk that makes the cheese
Corn feeds the cow we get the meat from
Corn Syrup is used in making the bun
Corn Syrup is in the soda that comes with the burger

If corn wasn't so cheap (subsidized), we wouldn't be eating so many cheeseburgers (replace that with whatever processed crap product you like)

Of course, this is a bit hypocrytical, since I'm not going to stop eating my burgers.  But I don't over-eat them, and I hit the gym to burn off the corn syrup   

right on!!  Michael Pollan's book changed my eating habits, and my thinking about food:

he sez:


 Food's under attack from two quarters. It's under attack from the food industry, which is taking, you know, perfectly good whole foods and tricking them up into highly processed edible foodlike substances, and from nutritional science, which has over the years convinced us that we shouldn't be paying attention to food, it's really the nutrients that matter. And they're trying to replace foods with antioxidants, you know, cholesterol, saturated fat, omega-3s, and that whole way of looking at food as a collection of nutrients, I think, is very destructive.

t's a literary scientific experience now going shopping in the supermarket, because basically the food has gotten more complex. It's -- for the food industry -- see, to understand the economics of the food industry, you can't really make money selling things like, oh, oatmeal, you know, plain rolled oats. And if you go to the store, you can buy a pound of oats, organic oats, for 79 cents. There's no money in that, because it doesn't have any brand identification. It's a commodity, and the prices of commodity are constantly falling over time.

So you make money by processing it, adding value to it. So you take those oats, and you turn them into Cheerios, and then you can charge four bucks for that 79 cents -- and actually even less than that, a few pennies of oats. And then after a few years, Cheerios become a commodity. You know, everyone's ripping off your little circles. And so, you have to move to the next thing, which are like cereal bars. And now there's cereal straws, you know, that your kids are supposed to suck milk through, and then they eat the straw. It's made out of the cereal material. It's extruded.

 Most processed foods are made from these very cheap raw ingredients. I mean, they're basically corn, soy and wheat. And if you look at all those very-hard-to-pronounce ingredients on the back of that processed food, those are fractions of corn, and some petroleum, but a lot of corn, soy and wheat. And the industry's preferred mode of doing business is to take the cheapest raw materials and create complicated foodstuffs from them.

The reason those raw ingredients are so cheap, though, is because these are precisely the ones that the government chooses to support, the subsidies -- you know, the big $26 billion for corn and soy and wheat and rice. So it's no accident that these should be the ones, you know, grown abundantly and cheap, and that's one of the reasons the industry moved down this path. There was such a surfeit of cheap corn and soy that the food scientists got to work turning it into --

Goodman: In fact, getting away totally from sugar to corn syrup.

Pollan: Yeah, that's right. And we don't -- yeah, there's very little sugar in our processed food. It's all high-fructose corn syrup, which, in effect, the government is subsidizing.

Teff, KL; Elliott SS, Tschöp M, Kieffer TJ, Rader D, Heiman M, Townsend RR, Keim NL, D'Alessio D, Havel PJ (June 2004). "Dietary fructose reduces circulating insulin and leptin, attenuates postprandial suppression of ghrelin, and increases triglycerides in women". J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 89 (6): 2963–72. doi:10.1210/jc.2003-031855. PMID 15181085.

59^ Swan, Norman; Lustig, Robert H. "ABC Radio National, The Health Report, The Obesity Epidemic". Retrieved 2007-07-15.

60^ Ouyang X, Cirillo P, Sautin Y, et al. (June 2008). "Fructose consumption as a risk factor for non-alcoholic fatty liver disease". J. Hepatol. 48 (6): 993–960=

Thanks.

As in interesting aside there is a local (Seattle) link to leptin:

http://ajpregu.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/275/4/R976
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T0M-3TDY7NX-X&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F1997&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1436867050&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=591281720d685573bcf11ed8b1c9f372

We've become a scurvy crew of pirates, hijacking this thread! We ought to make any further discussion of this taske a long walk on the plank over to the Shorebreak, so it can flounder around over there, like an European tourist in bunhuggers at Makapuu! 

Prolly a good idea to move the thread, ---hobuck??? 

  Interesting to cogitate on the dietary stuff, have been away from that kind of thinking for years (I was a lab director/research associate at the Univ of Michigan, ran an endocrine research lab back in the 1970's.  But that was long ago and far away!  Sounds like Demonick has some  tech background, too...

Prolly a good idea to move the thread, ---hobuck???  

  Interesting to cogitate on the dietary stuff, have been away from that kind of thinking for years (I was a lab director/research associate at the Univ of Michigan, ran an endocrine research lab back in the 1970's.  But that was long ago and far away!  Sounds like Demonick has some  tech background, too...

I've got a bit of a science background.  Here's a favorite cartoon of mine:

My Tarpon is "mango."  Shark attracting colors, they say. I wish I would have gotten "sand"  "camo" or something less bright, powerboaters be damned! I wonder if I can spray paint it? "Camo overcast grey" would be good.

Paint the bottom light blue with clouds.  You want it to look like sky from underneath. 

It all looks black or grey from the bottom, it don't matter. It's all silhouetted. You are going to look like a sea lion from below regardless. My hull is red, doesn't seem to deter any fish. The Navy did a study a few years back and discovered that yellow "yum yum yellow" as they call it is the color sharks are most interested in....but it really doesn't matter because it all looks black/grey from below anyway.

It would make sense if your kayak is 100% opaque. Composite yaks fall under that category. The transparency of plastic SOTs make them actually pretty colorful. Check :54 of this vid.

OK, Zee. Thanks for the view from down below. My mango Tarpon lights up like a neon sign on an "All You Can Eat" diner.

Hazy overcast sky blue with some clouds... sounds like a plan!

Ever wonder why fish have white bellys?

Sooo.....what's the origin of the video??  Very cool!!!

Sooo.....what's the origin of the video??  Very cool!!!

I believe it was last year's NCKA Islander trip.

-Allen