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Topic: Mooching vs jigging  (Read 7874 times)

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Smitty

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I have been a side drifting land based fisherman until now and am trying to learn the techniques for fishing from a boat/ yak.  Looking at the information I have found on the web it would seem that the set up for these two types of fishing are fairly similar.  I guess my real question is can I use the same rod/reel combo for them or should I have two separate set ups.  Seems like you want a stiffer rod with braid for jigging and a rod with more flex and mono for mooching.  I am trying to save some cash and get one rod/reel setup for now since I just dropped 3000 on a kayak and rigging.  And insight would be
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NOT sure how helpful I'll be but I use one rod in the ocean it's a short stiff meat crane. I don't consider my ocean fishing "jigging" as I let the waves move the jig up and down as I drift. For the bay (smaller fish) I use a trout rod just a 20 rod-n-reel combo job, if you plan on salmon fishing you will need a salmon rod that's my most expensive rod and only gets used for salmon ..... mostly cuz I'm afraid I'll break it or loose it in the ocean even though it's on a leash. As long as the rods strong enough to hold the fish I think it's a mater of preference on the rod.



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Mooching isn't anything like jigging.  Check Google again.

Mooching rods are often long and limber.  Most folks favor short and heavier rods for jigging. 
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jigging for bottom fish, I take jig weight into account when selecting a rod, I want it to be obvious when I 'tap' the bottom...in my case, using 3oz jigs in relatively shallow water, I use a M action 7' spinning rod or an 8' MH salmon trolling rod.  cheers, roger
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Smitty

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I realize that are different I was really just asking if you could use one set up for both or do I need to purchase two different set ups to effectively fish both methods.  I noticed most people I saw on google and you tube were using level wind reels.  The difference seemed to be in the pile and line.  I am real just comparing the equipment not the technique

Thanks to every for helping out this extremely ignorant fisher  ;D
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polyangler

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The same setup can work for both, but not ideally. Also, salmon jigging and bottom fish jigging are not the same.

My preference for a salmon jigging rod is in the 9' range with a stiff spine but tapers off quickly to a somewhat softer tip. Salmon eat the jig on the drop. With that said you need to get the jig high enough to have a significant drop. This is where the length and tip come in. Since we sit so close to the water, we need a longer lever to raise that jig with sightly less effort. The tip helps in this by preloading and springing back like a catapult. The longer rod also takes up slack much faster on the hook set while the tip gives some bend to help keep the fish hooked. Also, braid is preferred! Easier to keep vertical line angles with less weight, and have that solid connection.

Mooching rods are around the same length, but somewhere between trolling and jigging. You want it more stiff than a trolling rod, but less than your jigging rod. You don't set the hook in the traditional sense when mooching, but more of a come tight rapidly after you've given the fish ample time to chew on your bait (if that makes sense). Having a softer rod you can load into a deep bend will keep pressure on those barbless hooks. I prefer braid here as well for getting down with less weight, and the greater sensitivity. The softer rod will make up for the lack of stretch so long as you play nice and don't horse them.

If I could only buy one rod for both, I'd buy a jigging rod. You'll lose too much energy in the limber mooching rod while trying to jig, but you could mooch on a stiffer rod if you play the fish accordingly.

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To answer your question. Yes; but I do have upwards of 25 rods for a reason.


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Guys,
Any combo recommendations for him for, say, under $120.00? I think he did mention a budget or saving heavily for the next purchase. .....
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Smitty

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Thanks to everybody for the info.  I think based on poleangler advise I will invest in a solid jigging rod and then add to my quiver as funds become available.  That being said any advise on pole reel combo for jigging would be welcome.  I will likely be looking at spending around 150.00

Again I really appreciate all of the input and look forward to hooking up with some of you all in the future.
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polyangler

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To find the right combo in your budget requires playing with a bunch to figure out what feels right. What I've been using is a relatively inexpensive Wright & McGill paired with a gen 1 Revo Inshore. Something with a good drag and fast enough to take up slack in a hurry is what you're after.

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Just a quick update. I found a Berkeley IM 8 in 7'9" MH casting with med / fast action at Fred Myer.  It was a little shorter than what I was looking for but on sale from 75 down to 59 so I grabbed it.  Then they ring it up and tell me it's my lucky day. The rod rings up for 2 cents.  Can't believe it and the cashier tells me she can't adjust it.  So I walk out with my 2 cent pole and more money to dump on a reel.
Picked up an Okuma level wind line counter 5.1:1 for 100.00

I think the combo should work as I learn.  Thanks to everyone for your advice.
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"Then they ring it up and tell me it's my lucky day. The rod rings up for 2 cents.  Can't believe it and the cashier tells me she can't adjust it.  So I walk out with my 2 cent pole and more money to dump on a reel."

and you didn't go back and get the rest of them? ::)


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Just a quick update. I found a Berkeley IM 8 in 7'9" MH casting with med / fast action at Fred Myer.  It was a little shorter than what I was looking for but on sale from 75 down to 59 so I grabbed it.  Then they ring it up and tell me it's my lucky day. The rod rings up for 2 cents.  Can't believe it and the cashier tells me she can't adjust it.  So I walk out with my 2 cent pole and more money to dump on a reel.
Picked up an Okuma level wind line counter 5.1:1 for 100.00

I think the combo should work as I learn.  Thanks to everyone for your advice.

Killer deal!! I may have to stop by Freddy's to see if I can replicate that deal.
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Smitty

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It was the last one
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AlexB

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If you're on a budget, you could definitely get by with a 7' Medium Ugly Stick Tiger and just about any used Penn conventional reel you find at a garage sale. It won't be the prettiest setup out there, but it'll catch just about any ocean-dwelling fish for you.


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