Looking for Hobie Revolution 16

Hi, I'm on the market for a used Hobie Revolution 16. I've been scoping out Washington & Oregon CL posts, and have identified only one in the past while -- it's a bit of a drive for me, though (13 hours round trip).

So -- if you have a Revolution 16 and are looking to upgrade boats, or maybe have one that you never use, I'd love to take it off of your hands. If you're interested in trade+cash deals, I have a 12' Pescador Pilot that I'd be happy to offer up.

Also, because proximity is helpful, I'm located in Seattle WA.

curious why the 16 and not 13?

dampainter - Great question. I have always been drawn to longer boats. I like how they carry over long distance with less effort. In addition to fishing, I'll also be using this boat in the off season for general cruising - I think a 16' is better suited for that than a 13'. And, when I'm fishing, I think that a 16' will make me a bit more mobile for when I have to put in several hours to find the fish.

I know that people regard the Revo 16 as less stable than other boats. I guess I'm willing to sacrifice a little stability for more range.

If you have any thoughts or anecdotes on the matter, I'd love to hear them

dampainter - Great question. I have always been drawn to longer boats. I like how they carry over long distance with less effort. In addition to fishing, I'll also be using this boat in the off season for general cruising - I think a 16' is better suited for that than a 13'. And, when I'm fishing, I think that a 16' will make me a bit more mobile for when I have to put in several hours to find the fish.

I know that people regard the Revo 16 as less stable than other boats. I guess I'm willing to sacrifice a little stability for more range.

If you have any thoughts or anecdotes on the matter, I'd love to hear them

You'll know the difference between a revo and outback real quick when you're in current approaching 3knts. That's why I own two of them. I prefer the maneuverability of the 13' though, but that's a specialization thing for jigging. If I didn't jig I'd have a 16.

thanks bogueyaker.   is the 16 that much better  than the 13?

dampainter - I honestly don't know how much better the 16 is for cruising than the 13. I do know that it should be at least a bit better. Because the PNW fisheries were a big factor in my deciding to come out here, I'd like to get myself outfitted with gear that I feel sets me up for the best chance of success.

And, if/when I move back to the east coast, a 16' Hobie will be well suited for going out to nearshore artificial reefs, and trolling for spanish mackerel and bluefish. 

Tacking on a minor addendum: I was answering your question -- "is the 16 that much better than the 13" -- from my perspective... I'm sure that there are many folks who feel that the 13 is better than the 16, and I respect their opinion. I just feel that the 16 is better suited for my purposes than the 13.

dampainter - I honestly don't know how much better the 16 is for cruising than the 13. I do know that it should be at least a bit better. Because the PNW fisheries were a big factor in my deciding to come out here, I'd like to get myself outfitted with gear that I feel sets me up for the best chance of success.

And, if/when I move back to the east coast, a 16' Hobie will be well suited for going out to nearshore artificial reefs, and trolling for spanish mackerel and bluefish.

16 - better for cruising and handling chop/swell
13 - easier to manuever

The advantage is subjective to the fishing you do.

understand bogueyaker, i really don`t know about 16`s either but i do get since longer better ocean but then i`ve heard they are unstable? by how much compared to a 13? are they easy to sidesaddle as much as the 13? some day will demo one to find out.  if they are unstable how can they handle sidechop better than the 13??

so now i wonder how well the 16`s are selling overall compared to the 13. dam, which is better?

dampainter -- These are questions that I do not have answer to

Like you said, the 16 is often regarded as less stable than the 13. I have noticed that the fishing kayak market is flooded with boats with very wide hulls. My Perception Pescador, for example, is 32.5" wide. I have a hunch that we kayak fisherpeople are spoiled by super wide hulls to the point that anything that's not monstrously wide feels unstable. In my head, it's kind of like comparing the stability of a canoe to that of a john boat when you only fish out of john boats. Yeah, the canoe is less stable, but still stable enough for practical purposes.

I'll report back once I've put in a couple 10s of hours in a 16'

I've never been on a 16' but I've heard they can feel squirelly in tight periods due to the bow coming down one swell and the stern being raised by the next. Car topping a 16' kayak isn't nearly as easy as a 13'.

Maybe I can throw out some experience I have, as I have a Revo 13, as well as an AI that I use quite often with just the hull (so essentially a Revo 16, that is what I will refer it as in this response).

I have not surf launched the Revo 16, as it has the AI sailing rudder that does NOT twist and stow as the Revo 13 does.  I do not want to have a situation where it rolls in the surf and breaks off.  However, I feel the Revo 16 would be fine for surf launches otherwise.

As for flatwater travel, the Revo 16 will cook a Revo 13 given the same person or person's skills were in each kayak for direct comparison.  The Revo 16 is not even a challenge to the Outback  . 

The Revo 16 might seem tippier than the Revo 13 at first, but if you are comfortable with the 13, you will feel at home in the 16 quickly.  You sit much lower in 16 than the 13 so your butt WILL get wet (at least with the pre-2015 models with the lawn chair seats.

The Revo 16 has ok primary if you are comfortable with the 13 already.  But is really shines with the secondary stability.  I am 6' @ 225#'s and can lean far enough over (on flat water) in the Revo 16 where water is free-flowing in/out of the rear molded-in rod holders, and not dump.  I can't do that in the Revo 13.

The Revo 16 has to be the easiest kayak to self-rescue and get back on top to work with.  The Revo 13 is good, but the 16 is silly easy.

It is just perfect for any kind of fishing you would do in the Revo 13, crabbing might not be as glamorous. 

The Revo 16 has its disadvantages to the Revo 13 like:
-Heavier and a pretty awkward one-man clean and jerk for car topping.
-Long enough to realize you have a really long kayak on top of the kayak rack.
-Lower seat height (in the pre-2015 models), providing wet butt.
-Less appealing in frog water like ponds, or lakes with tight bays.

Other than that, great kayak! 
Even better with amas, akas, and a sail!!!!

I agree with all points Insayn brought up. 

One difference between the AI and my 2012 Adventure 16 is the Adventure does have a twist and stow rudder.

IMO, the weight doesn't seem to be much different than an outback or Rev 13.

I agree with all points Insayn brought up. 

One difference between the AI and my 2012 Adventure 16 is the Adventure does have a twist and stow rudder.

IMO, the weight doesn't seem to be much different than an outback or Rev 13.

My AI hull might be heavier and definitely awkward to lift solo due to having the front aka/sail mount permanently mounted.
It may be right there with the Outback in weight, but certainly a bit heavier than the Revo 13 by about 20 lbs or more. 

INSAYN -- thank you for the description of your AI - that's pretty helpful! The secondary stability that you describe is remarkable.

snopro -- yeah, the weights all look fairly comparable as I look at various sources. I cartop from the side, and in such a way that I never have to lift more than half of the boat at once.

The more I read the more excited I get. This really sounds like my kind of boat.