Required marking of crab pots. 2020 new rules

I think it is a good idea. There are a lot of pots that sit there year around and are never used. This will allow them to remove derelict pots that have been afloat for who knows how long.

It would probably be more effective to teach the whales to watch where they're going. 

Well we had 1 sports crabber involved if I glanced the list right? Exactly how many of those entangled whales that were not identifiable still had a bouy on the line?

I don't really see the value in that question and I don't see how the answer matters. 

Here's how I see it, to make good decisions on how to make adjustments to crabbing gear (restrict weight, line lengths, stuff like that) and where/when to restrict/limit commercial crabbing (peak whale transit months), and in what locations, they need the best possible data on where/when these entanglements are happening and who's gear is getting picked up by whales.  This probably includes recreational gear lost in the ocean or lost in a bay and dragged into the ocean.   

Are there seriously people on this forum that consider it a burden to use a sharpie to mark their crab floats with their name and one of the 4 addition items as part of CA/OR/WA taking a scientific (data based) approach to reducing whale injuries and deaths.  Really?

All they need is the angler id and they have everything they need to contact me. Anyone who doesn’t have that is crabbing illegally, anyway.



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Well we had 1 sports crabber involved if I glanced the list right? Exactly how many of those entangled whales that were not identifiable still had a bouy on the line?

I don't really see the value in that question and I don't see how the answer matters. 

Here's how I see it, to make good decisions on how to make adjustments to crabbing gear (restrict weight, line lengths, stuff like that) and where/when to restrict/limit commercial crabbing (peak whale transit months), and in what locations, they need the best possible data on where/when these entanglements are happening and who's gear is getting picked up by whales.  This probably includes recreational gear lost in the ocean or lost in a bay and dragged into the ocean.   

Are there seriously people on this forum that consider it a burden to use a sharpie to mark their crab floats with their name and one of the 4 addition items as part of CA/OR/WA taking a scientific (data based) approach to reducing whale injuries and deaths.  Really?

Lack of diversity, for starters..they had plenty of “book smarts” as well as the “comerciall $$$$ men” there. I have my initials on mine and have absolutely no problem putting my angler id # on it but with all the grab pot “theft” pulls I have seen just in the bay, I’m not interested in give someone that already steals any more of my information. Here’s a simpler solution don’t allow crabbing while the whales migrate.

Closing crabbing while the whales migrate means we'd never be allowed to catch crabs. Mr. Jojo.  We have a fairly large number of resident grey whales - they don't go as far south as the Baja peninsula nor as far north as the Arctic, and they're always hanging around.  There's that.

I agree with pinstriper: the buoys and floats don't need our names, just our angler ID's.  I don't mind marking my float but I shouldn't need to provide my name.  I already provide ODFW with way too much personal information just to purchase a license.

I'd bet there's as much touchy-feely involved as there is the best scientific data available.  Recreational crabbers use distinctive types and diameters of rope compared with the other causes for entanglement shown in the pie chart, and it shouldn't be all that hard to break that 52% slice of the pie down to rope diameters and list it that way instead of as "unidentified".  Just saying.  If it's unidentified, it could be badminton nets as far as we can tell from what's being shared with us.

Whatever.

Like I said, I don't mind doing it - it'll take me all of 30 seconds - and I hope it helps in some way, but I'm not buying into their reasoning.

Closing crabbing while the whales migrate means we'd never be allowed to catch crabs. Mr. Jojo.  We have a fairly large number of resident grey whales - they don't go as far south as the Baja peninsula nor as far north as the Arctic, and they're always hanging around.  There's that.

I agree with pinstriper: the buoys and floats don't need our names, just our angler ID's.  I don't mind marking my float but I shouldn't need to provide my name.  I already provide ODFW with way too much personal information just to purchase a license.

I'd bet there's as much touchy-feely involved as there is the best scientific data available.  Recreational crabbers use distinctive types and diameters of rope compared with the other causes for entanglement shown in the pie chart, and it shouldn't be all that hard to break that 52% slice of the pie down to rope diameters and list it that way instead of as "unidentified".  Just saying.  If it's unidentified, it could be badminton nets as far as we can tell from what's being shared with us.

Whatever.

Like I said, I don't mind doing it - it'll take me all of 30 seconds - and I hope it helps in some way, but I'm not buying into their reasoning.

I’ll put the Tillamook County Sherriff ‘s full name and my ID# on my pot and let him know I’m doing so.... so he can call me to tell me a whale swam into the bay and tangled my pot.
 
All anyone needs is “Oregon” angler ID # “actual nember” and they can pull the pot of in Thailand and find out its mine.

I'd bet there's as much touchy-feely involved as there is the best scientific data available.  Recreational crabbers use distinctive types and diameters of rope compared with the other causes for entanglement shown in the pie chart, and it shouldn't be all that hard to break that 52% slice of the pie down to rope diameters and list it that way instead of as "unidentified".  Just saying.  If it's unidentified, it could be badminton nets as far as we can tell from what's being shared with us.

I think you missed a key point-  it isn't about whether the pot is a commercial or recreational pot, it's about knowing where it was soaking and/or was lost and when.  I believe the whales can travel long distances with these before it is observed and recovered (hopefully from a still live whale), contacting the owner is the only way to potentially figure out where and when the whale got tangled up.   

I don't think so.  My only point was that 52% "Unidentified" can and should be categorized by type of rope and diameter of rope.

We’ve been putting our angler ID numbers on our floats in California for 3 years now. It’s not an issue. If you loan out a trap you write a note that the person can use your trap. It’s also ok to write more than one angler ID on a buoy.

Just use a sharpie. It’s a non issue.

We’ve been putting our angler ID numbers on our floats in California for 3 years now. It’s not an issue. If you loan out a trap you write a note that the person can use your trap. It’s also ok to write more than one angler ID on a buoy.

Just use a sharpie. It’s a non issue.

You guys have to put your NAME on it?

I don't think so.  My only point was that 52% "Unidentified" can and should be categorized by type of rope and diameter of rope.

OK, then I guess my point is that "Identified" means more than just categorizing them as Commercial or Recreational based on the rope (something I don't agree can be accurately done).

It is known (slide 4) that there are Rec gear entanglements in CA (where Rec are required to be marked), from that we can conclude that there are also Rec entanglements in OR (Occam's razor), so starting Jan 1, 2020, we need to mark our floats in OR. 

What portion of the unidentified 52% is Com (that the owner of could not be identified) or unmarked Rec, based on rope, just doesn't add to the discussion or decision making process. 





   

Jeebus and Muddah Merry! There are so many damn ways in today’s world for people to collect your name, or your phone number, and you are worried about someone snagging it off a damn crab pot?!!? Really??  C’mon guys, you are taking a higher risk anytime you put a kayak in the water. And there is no damn government plot to abuse your crabbing or collect you with UN troops in black helicopters or anything else like that. It’s just trying to collect data on where the damn crab pots might have been placed if the find it wrapped around a damn whale.

We’ve been putting our angler ID numbers on our floats in California for 3 years now. It’s not an issue. If you loan out a trap you write a note that the person can use your trap. It’s also ok to write more than one angler ID on a buoy.

Just use a sharpie. It’s a non issue.

You guys have to put your NAME on it?

No.  And neither do you.  Just your angler number.

Jeebus and Muddah Merry! There are so many damn ways in today’s world for people to collect your name, or your phone number, and you are worried about someone snagging it off a damn crab pot?!!? Really??  C’mon guys, you are taking a higher risk anytime you put a kayak in the water. And there is no damn government plot to abuse your crabbing or collect you with UN troops in black helicopters or anything else like that. It’s just trying to collect data on where the damn crab pots might have been placed if the find it wrapped around a damn whale.

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