Anchor trolley

I've read the articles and searched the forum for anchor systems.  The articles are good and I think I understand the anchor system itself.  What I still do not fully understand is the trolley.  I can see that a pulley-like system along the side of the yak would be very convenient, just clip stuff on and pulley it to the bow or stern.  But, I don't understand precisely how to rig the trolley itself nor how to secure something to it.  I could design something with carabiners and line, but I am sure the definitive system has already been worked out.

Since this post I found this:



Big cleat!  The front eye/stay seems very weak as it has all the anchor pull on it.  Wind or current or both could put a lot of pressure on that little eye/stay.

For me, with many of these rigging questions, I just need to see and put my hands on a couple of examples. That's when the ideas really start to flow

I chose not to use a trolly design, just a quick release clip and some shock cord is all I use.
 However, I do not use it in very swift water. (yet)

Big cleat!  The front eye/stay seems very weak as it has all the anchor pull on it.  Wind or current or both could put a lot of pressure on that little eye/stay.

That is a fairly high load area, but our boats really don't present much of a load (even at anchor). Backing is always a good idea, but not always doable. Those nylon padeyes are pretty tough too. I've never broken one due to a load.

That cleat is kinda big. I prefer a gripper cleat. It's good for a couple of lines and less "pokey" than a conventional cleat. A fact you'll appreciate when your boat is raked over your side as it passes you in the surf.



On use:

Set the anchor, clip the anchor line into the carabiner (silver one in the video), adjust the the position of the boat by moving the the 'biner forward or aft with the trolley, cleat the trolley, and cleat the anchor line.

Mine is a bit different and runs all the way around the boat.

That is a fairly high load area, but our boats really don't present much of a load (even at anchor). Backing is always a good idea, but not always doable. Those nylon padeyes are pretty tough too. I've never broken one due to a load.

That cleat is kinda big. I prefer a gripper cleat. It's good for a couple of lines and less "pokey" than a conventional cleat. A fact you'll appreciate when your boat is raked over your side as it passes you in the surf.

Good to know the nylon deck loops (padeyes?) are tough.  I thought the cleat was goofy. 

Here is another newbie groaner question: pop rivets or well nuts?

That is a fairly high load area, but our boats really don't present much of a load (even at anchor). Backing is always a good idea, but not always doable. Those nylon padeyes are pretty tough too. I've never broken one due to a load.

That cleat is kinda big. I prefer a gripper cleat. It's good for a couple of lines and less "pokey" than a conventional cleat. A fact you'll appreciate when your boat is raked over your side as it passes you in the surf.

Good to know the nylon deck loops (padeyes?) are tough.  I thought the cleat was goofy. 

Here is another newbie groaner question: pop rivets or well nuts?

If you can reach the position from inside through the hatch's, SS nylocks. If you can't reach it, Rivets. There's some nice ones that have been discussed here that flare out real big but the search is wonky and it only came up with this topic...   Is the search messed up?

I ordered 3/16" Rivets from Hook1. 
They have them in 10 packs, but I got a discount for ordering a total of 50.  Figured I may as well stock up in one shot and only pay for shipping once.   
It worked out to $0.25 each.  This was by far the best price I could find on the net for these kind of rivets.  And you won't find them in traditional hardware stores, either.   

Here is what you're looking for.
http://www.kayakfishinggear.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=75

I have also seen somewhere mention of backing an attachment with a small piece of plastic cutting board.  It seems this could be accomplished with a pop rivet, but not with a well nut.  Any other attachment methods to use other than pop rivets and well nuts.

I have a few more general questions about a trolley. 

Does anyone use a solid ring as the attachment point rather than a carabiner?  It seems more secure for the trolley as the trolley line could slip out of a carabiner as something is being clipped in.  On the other hand a solid ring would require a carabiner on every piece of gear you might attach.

What might one attach to a trolley - anchor, drift net - anything else?  I can just throw a six pack over the side on a line - no need for a trolley.

Is there any reason not to run the trolley line from bow to stern and perhaps through the carry handle?  A carabiner will fit through the carry handle. 

Does anyone use a solid ring as the attachment point rather than a carabiner?  It seems more secure for the trolley as the trolley line could slip out of a carabiner as something is being clipped in.  On the other hand a solid ring would require a carabiner on every piece of gear you might attach.

What might one attach to a trolley - anchor, drift net - anything else?  I can just throw a six pack over the side on a line - no need for a trolley.

Is there any reason not to run the trolley line from bow to stern and perhaps through the carry handle?  A carabiner will fit through the carry handle. 

Like this??

Your photos bring up another question.  What size line for the trolley line?  1/4"?  5/16"?

In non-accessible areas, what are stronger, wide-flair rivets or well nuts?  The bow is accessible the stern is not. 

Which side of the kayak to mount the trolley?  I am a right-handed fisherman, and I assume I'll default to fishing from the left-side of the boat, so the trolley should go on the right-side.

Which side of the kayak to mount the trolley?  I am a right-handed fisherman, and I assume I'll default to fishing from the left-side of the boat, so the trolley should go on the right-side.

I don't remember the exact size of the line and it really doesn't matter that much. 1/4" is plenty big enough. Left or right??? personal preference. How do you plan on handling and landing fish on anchor? I try to bring everything onto the right side so I've rigged the trolley on the left.

Jay

Thanks.  Where did you get your gripper cleat? 

Thanks.  Where did you get your gripper cleat? 

Other than the general SS hardware, everything came from West Marine but any marine store should carry this type of stuff.

Jay