CanadianKayakAnglers.com

WW QCI and I roughed out a new site this week.  Strange ... it looks a lot like this site.     I'm going to have to work on some customizations to individualize the sites.  Anyway, looking for some friendlies to check it out and give feedback before we go live.

CanadianKayakAnglers.com

-Allen

And yakfishing makes it's steps further and further north! Looks great. Good on WWQCI for pushing it. Look forward to be celebrating your 100th member.

Z

WW QCI and I roughed out a new site this week.  Strange ... it looks a lot like this site.     I'm going to have to work on some customizations to individualize the sites.  Anyway, looking for some friendlies to check it out and give feedback before we go live.

CanadianKayakAnglers.com

-Allen

Great idea and nice timing.  This should be the beginning of something big in Canada.  Get this from the trade show or Water Wolf?
Also very good way to coordinate some "events"--- the more the merrier!

Rob.

Through the search across the country we have found that there are indeed kayak fishermen here in Canada...Enough to get a site up...lol...We hope that over a few weeks we can snag them up and reel them in to this site...Its gonna grow...lol...Soon Kayak Fishing will be everywhere...lol...

Feel free to critique and get involved...After all you guys are the pioneers of the sport...
 

Are you sure you have kayak anglers in Canada?  I'm not so sure, and I have evidence to prove it.

I took a look at the couple sites I've been a member of and noted the number of members on the forum, how old the forum was, and where the person who started the site is from.  From that I made a graph..

It only has three points  (NWKA, NCKA, and Kayak4Fish).  If we extrapolate to your latitude in Queen Charlotte Island at about 53º N then your projected membership growth rate is near zero.   

See close to no kayak anglers in Canada.   

Just kidding of course.  Good luck on the site.

Brian

You're a frikin riot B!

Z

You're a frikin riot B!

Z

The sad thing is that I actually used real data.

Kayak4Fish    2056 members since 6/17/2003  (1730 days)    1.9 members per day
NCKA           1394 members since 12/7/2004   (1337 days)    1.0 members per day
NWKA            239 members since 4/14/2006   (698 days)     0.34 members per day

Jim Sammons (Kayak4Fish)      San Diego    32.8ºN
Bill Pennington   (NCKA)          San Jose     37.3ºN
Allen Sansano       (NWKA)         Seattle       47.6ºN


Someday I'm going to sit down and do some research on regional kayak fishing forum growth as a proxy to the regional growth of the sport itself.  I want to know more on why there can be so many kayakers and fishermen up here in the Pacific Northwest and so few kayak fishermen. 

Brian

You're a frikin riot B!

Z

The sad thing is that I actually used real data.

Kayak4Fish    2056 members since 6/17/2003  (1730 days)    1.9 members per day
NCKA           1394 members since 12/7/2004   (1337 days)    1.0 members per day
NWKA            239 members since 4/14/2006   (698 days)     0.34 members per day

Jim Sammons (Kayak4Fish)      San Diego    32.8ºN
Bill Pennington   (NCKA)          San Jose     37.3ºN
Allen Sanso       (NWKA)         Seattle       47.6ºN


Someday I'm going to sit down and do some research on regional kayak fishing forum growth as a proxy to the regional growth of the sport itself.  I want to know more on why there can be so many kayakers and fishermen up here in the Pacific Northwest and so few kayak fishermen. 

Brian

Can you also correlate that to the east coast?

-Allen

Honestly, I think the fact that I just happen to have belonged to only those three sites kind of skews things a bit. 

I know that TKF out of Texas is huge with over 10000 registered members and is about as old as Kayak4Fish... that comes out to something like 6 members/day.  Maybe I should use average annual water temp instead of latitude?

I will someday sit down and track these stats for more sites and maybe I can come up with an answer of some sort.   I find it incredibly interesting.

Brian

I'd actually like to graph out registrations per month and compare.  Compare also with population density taken into account.  I did this between NCKA and NWKA at some time.  We had roughly similar growth curves scaled by population.  NCKA is twice as big at a particular point in time in their life and have roughly twice the population.

-Allen

You mean something like this..

I like the idea about controlling for populations size.

Brian

Now slide the data timewise to roughly align months of the year and see the trends in growth in the spring and summer, and slow down in the winter.  Looking at seasonality now.

-Allen

bsteves,

The main thing here, I think, is that your sample size is too small to give you a meaningful reading.  Pretty funny, but not totally meaningful.  I think that there is indeed a reality to the trend that you display, it’s just that the numbers themselves are a tad whiggy with such a small sample.

If I had to make a guess (and of course I think that I do), I’d guess that what your are seeing is a faster growth rate of K.A.’s forums than the growth rate of actual K.A.’s.  As a matter of fact, if you start with the entire EXISTING population of K.A.’s in a particular region, and then measure how fast they join that region’s forum PER 100 K.A.’s after it is initialized, then I think you might even see a faster rate of sign-up in the northern regions where guys are trying harder to scrounge up a buddy to fish with.

In other words, I suspect that what you are really seeing is the growth and acceptance of the sport starting in the deep So. Cal. and spreading ever northward (on our coast any way).  The numbers will also logically grow fastest in regions where the biggest populations of people live, which turns out to be in the south (again, on our coast any way).  The reason that your lines point to really low numbers in the north is compounded by the fact that the initialization of each forum further north has happened with smaller and smaller existing populations of K.A.’s to feed the forums on the web.  Bottom line, I think that what you are seeing with the graphs is the effect of forums spreading north way faster than K.A. populations. 

I think to get the insight that you’re looking for, you’d need to chart TWO graphs, both having population density taken out by using the old “per capita”.  The first graph would show how K.A. has been catching on from So. to No., per capita.  The next would show how fast have K.A. FORUMS been spreading from the S to the N (one more time… on OUR coast, any way).

Hey, not trying to poke fun here.  I LOVE those charts and graphs.  Way scientific.  It’s like ANY graphs then, isn’t it?  It’s ALL about getting some visual clues into what we think might be going on.

Hang in there Water Wolf!  You'll have your way yet!!


Fishin-T

Oh, part of the joke is the small sample size, I'd never publish a regression with an N=3.

Besides, I don't actually believe that CanadianKayakAnglers.com will see zero growth.  Although, if it was the QCIKayakAnglers.com I'd probably be right.  Anyway, I think as long as the word gets out to the rest of Canada it has a decent shot of filling a much needed niche for the whole country and might actually grow pretty fast.  Although, I believe there is already a Great Lakes forum out there that might compete for a large chunk of the Canadian kayak fishing populace.

I am, however still curious about these sorts of trends and I have way too much background in statistics, GIS and data analysis for my own good.  I wonder if Kayak Angler Magazine would be interested in an article about this.  My guess is that it's probably not the right audience for a research paper.

Brian

While I don't think it is article worthy, it is good info to have, especially when soliciting potential sponsors.  That's why I've been keeping tabs on these sorts of things.

-Allen