Sit on top vs sit in?

Not true that "No matter how you try to rig that sit on top, that hull will never respond like a sea kayak in the rough water.".   It's true in some situations with some models, but the generalization doesn't hold IMO.

-Allen

We'll have to disagree on that. You might find one model here or there that performs pretty good but I believe the generalization is in fact pretty close to factual if not completely factual.

I want to see some one do this from a SINK

What the picture doesn't show....the SOT kayaks were transported 60 miles by boat to this remote Alaska location.

Jim Sammons catches (er, ahem) a lot of REALLY big fish using this same technique.

I don't intend to discredit a fine catch. I don't care if you were dropped off or paddled there. I feel confident if that fish bit I could haul it in. I look forward to the experience of hooking a big one like that.

We'll have to disagree on that. You might find one model here or there that performs pretty good but I believe the generalization is in fact pretty close to factual if not completely factual.

Look, I don't think you are wrong in any way, for the kayaks you've chosen to paddle in the situations you've chosen to paddle them in.  More power to you.  Really.  Good stuff right there!  But I don't think the generalizations hold for most people.

-Allen

I don't intend to discredit a fine catch. I don't care if you were dropped off or paddled there. I feel confident if that fish bit I could haul it in. I look forward to the experience of hooking a big one like that.

And I hope you take plenty of pics/video so we can share in your success!

-Allen

Not true that "No matter how you try to rig that sit on top, that hull will never respond like a sea kayak in the rough water.".   It's true in some situations with some models, but the generalization doesn't hold IMO.

-Allen

How's that work? The definition of a SOT requires that you sit above the waterline, above the scupper holes usually. While SINKs have much lower CG with the seat at or very near the hull.

Higher CG vessel responds the same as one with lower CG?

Is there a marine architect in the house. Back to Physics class for you. 

But I don't think the generalizations hold for most people.

I don't see your responses as anything more than honest. Although I have been communicating with some other boaters and their consensus is actually opposite of most people here with respect to what is the best performer for fishing rough rivers.

Not true that "No matter how you try to rig that sit on top, that hull will never respond like a sea kayak in the rough water.".   It's true in some situations with some models, but the generalization doesn't hold IMO.

-Allen

How's that work? The definition of a SOT requires that you sit above the waterline, above the scupper holes usually. While SINKs have much lower CG with the seat at or very near the hull.

Higher CG vessel responds the same as one with lower CG?

Is there a marine architect in the house. Back to Physics class for you. 

I dunno.  Take a 7' guy in a SINK and 5' guy in a SOT.  Is the CG any different?

OK, since we're talking generalizations.  Yeah, you're right.  It's not exactly the same.  But you can get to acceptable performance (for suitable definition) on appropriate watercraft.  I mean, I think I'll take a 10' SOT with leg braces over a 17' sea kayak through class III waters any day.  I'd take a shorter sea kayak over a longer one, with similar hull design, through class III waters too.  There are different issues at play here.  You give some stuff up on on SOT.  You give some up on longer length.  In this situation.  I'd take a 10' white water kayak over a 10' sea kayak too.

-Allen

Ray ... You do love yourself don't you?

Ray ... You do love yourself don't you?

Simmer down Bill.  No need to go there.

-Allen

How's that work? The definition of a SOT requires that you sit above the waterline, above the scupper holes usually. While SINKs have much lower CG with the seat at or very near the hull.

BTW, not all SOT's have scupper holes.  Think South African designs.  And not all SOT with scupper holes require you are above the waterline.  I paddled a Prowler 15 for a number of years.  It always had water in the footwells and seat area, so I must have been sitting below the waterline.

-Allen

Ray ... You do love yourself don't you?

I do have a sense of self respect but anyone who knows me well will tell you that I am not a self centered person. In fact I would wager that most of my friends would state that I am the opposite of such a suggestion. If you love me then I'm going to have to start watching my back. LOL

I want to see some one do this from a SINK

What the picture doesn't show....the SOT kayaks were transported 60 miles by boat to this remote Alaska location.

Jim Sammons catches (er, ahem) a lot of REALLY big fish using this same technique.

OK how about this one launched and landed from Washington beach that all I had to do was drive to....

Talk about loving yourself ;-)

Fine looking fish. Nice catch