knots for heavy line

Thanks guys. Looks like I'll have to learn palomar and uni. I think I'll downsize to 30# mono as well. I don't think the buzz bomb was fluttering on the drop like it should....Maybe florocarbon's small diameter would help with that also??

I think 30# is still a bit heavy for what you're doing. The thinner the diameter of your line the more
vertical your jig will be. Vertical is good in rockfishing. 20# would be my choice if you wanna go mono. If you want to get it perfect 25# braid is super thin and will get your presentation a lot better. And you know what they say about presentation when it comes to fishing...

Z

I love braided, but you don't think it's too visible?

I used 20# floro in the SJ's and it was great, but instantly snapped with big fish or fish in the rocks. That's why I tried the bigger mono, but I don't like the stiffness.

Braided would solve that.

Thanks for the advice. (I need it too). I've been using 30# mono on my Penn 209, but I think I'm going to get another level-wind reel (and rod to go with it) and use 25# braid, for better vertical fishing.
Might get a saltwater spinning reel for that, though. Still thimkin and researching.

Thanks guys. Looks like I'll have to learn palomar and uni. I think I'll downsize to 30# mono as well. I don't think the buzz bomb was fluttering on the drop like it should....Maybe florocarbon's small diameter would help with that also??

I think 30# is still a bit heavy for what you're doing. The thinner the diameter of your line the more
vertical your jig will be. Vertical is good in rockfishing. 20# would be my choice if you wanna go mono. If you want to get it perfect 25# braid is super thin and will get your presentation a lot better. And you know what they say about presentation when it comes to fishing...

Z

What about braided's visibility as a leader? For greenling as well as rock fish?

While fluoro is good when it comes to abrasion once it's got a tiny nick in it it's gone. Mono is a bit more forgiving.

Use braid as your mainline and tie on a 6'-8' leader of mono on the end. But Rockies aren't line shy. I've caught plenty of good fish tying straight to the jig.

Z

I love braided, but you don't think it's too visible?

I used 20# floro in the SJ's and it was great, but instantly snapped with big fish or fish in the rocks. That's why I tried the bigger mono, but I don't like the stiffness.

Braided would solve that.

You could always tie into a longer mono leader to give you some stretch and shock absorbtion.

While fluoro is good when it comes to abrasion once it's got a tiny nick in it it's gone. Mono is a bit more forgiving.

Use braid as your mainline and tie on a 6'-8' leader of mono on the end. But Rockies aren't line shy. I've caught plenty of good fish tying straight to the jig.

Z

Cool. I'll have to try a smaller mono....5mm climbing rope is my mainline. Seems like you'd need some stiffness for the buzz bomb to flutter, maybe a braided leader for the buzzbomb isn't the way to go.

I love braided, but you don't think it's too visible?

I used 20# floro in the SJ's and it was great, but instantly snapped with big fish or fish in the rocks. That's why I tried the bigger mono, but I don't like the stiffness.

Braided would solve that.

If you don't tie floro the right way, it will snap at very low weights.  When I bought my first box of it the instructions said to tie it a certain way and provided a picture - I wanted to test it and see what my regular knot would do - and sure enough, 20# snapped like it was 8#.

There are a few recommended knots on the last page of thisBerkley document

5mm climbing rope is my mainline.

Now there's your problem. That mainline is going to cause a lot of drag when the current/wind pushes you. It's going to keep you from having a vertical presentation and difficult to keep on the bottom where fish are. As far as I know most handliners use pretty big rope but they are in boats and can keep themselves still w/ their motor. Ironically the only way I see you keeping your line more vertical w/ a handline rig is to get a Hobie.. 

Might get a saltwater spinning reel for that, though. Still thimkin and researching.

I think you'll find that for rockfishing a conventional reel is more suited. Since there's no casting the spinning reel won't help much. I've always liked being able to thumb the reel to deal w/ the jig and fish when hooked. I have seen some guys on the East coast using spinning reels for jigging but I don't understand it. Maybe they alternatively cast or something?

Z

It's not the vertical part that's the problem, just a good knot to keep the lure on.

yes the line creates drag, but I've learned to compensate with one handed sculling. It keeps it fun, which is why I do it.

I've fished in <3kts with no anchor with no problems keeping the line vertical.

It's not the vertical part that's the problem, just a good knot to keep the lure on.

yes the line creates drag, but I've learned to compensate with one handed sculling. It keeps it fun, which is why I do it.

I've fished in <3kts with no anchor with no problems keeping the line vertical.

Then tie on a 6'-8' mono leader and you're all set.

Z

It's not the vertical part that's the problem, just a good knot to keep the lure on.

yes the line creates drag, but I've learned to compensate with one handed sculling. It keeps it fun, which is why I do it.

I've fished in <3kts with no anchor with no problems keeping the line vertical.

Then tie on a 6'-8' mono leader and you're all set.

Z

I second this. I fish almost exclusively with braid. I tie a 6-8 ft mono lead (# of test depends on application) to my braid with an Albright knot, then just tie and fish as though I were strung with mono. The Albright knot will spool and cast through your guides with no problem. I try to avoid swivels as much as possible.

http://www.animatedknots.com/albright/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

It's not the vertical part that's the problem, just a good knot to keep the lure on.

yes the line creates drag, but I've learned to compensate with one handed sculling. It keeps it fun, which is why I do it.

I've fished in <3kts with no anchor with no problems keeping the line vertical.

Then tie on a 6'-8' mono leader and you're all set.

Z

That's what I'm trying to do needed a better knot for thick mono.

I've tied 30# mono to 20# braid with an Albright Knot.


http://www.animatedknots.com/albright/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

It's not the vertical part that's the problem, just a good knot to keep the lure on.

yes the line creates drag, but I've learned to compensate with one handed sculling. It keeps it fun, which is why I do it.

I've fished in <3kts with no anchor with no problems keeping the line vertical.

Then tie on a 6'-8' mono leader and you're all set.

Z

I second this. I fish almost exclusively with braid. I tie a 6-8 ft mono lead (# of test depends on application) to my braid with an Albright knot, then just tie and fish as though I were strung with mono. The Albright knot will spool and cast through your guides with no problem. I try to avoid swivels as much as possible.

http://www.animatedknots.com/albright/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

That's how I do it too...