Dedicated river boat

Allen,
I've never looked at the Coupe as a SOT version of the Remix. the two i've seen (Coupes) did not impress me as being as capable as the Remix itself. You know i tend to be a bit chunky. so that's always in the forefront. Right out the box the Remix had better listed capacity by 40lbs.

it's also 3 inches narrower, but 3 inches longer. and appears to have more generous bow rocker than the Coupe, while it  also might have less stern drag because it doesn't have that attached tow wheel dangling in the slip stream..

So what it's a sit inside, until i actually get inside the puppies and paddle them, i'm going to go with my gut instinct and pick the Remix over the Coupe. in a river situation, this may be the better choice.

I really like those oversize scuppers on the Coupe!


I wish all boats had those. It grates on my nerves when a wave comes over the bow with another one on the way, sitting low in the water chanting "drain motherf*#%er drain."
 

I wish all boats had those. It grates on my nerves when a wave comes over the bow with another one on the way, sitting low in the water chanting "drain motherf*#%er drain."

Dude!  I laughed so hard when I read that.   
I have so been there and done that.  Even worse is when you forget to clip the hold down straps for your sonar shield and the clips block the water flow.  Feels like you're paddling a shortboard.

How about one of these el' cheapo kayaks that Fred Meyers sells.

A little short, but no keel and some front rocker.







Or one of these models?
http://www.crowwingkayaks.com/pages/specs.html

That doesn't look like it would do well in WW to me.

The liquid logic coupe is a dedicated river SOT, as well as the Dagger Torrent (I took on some 3 and 4s and it was great), and I really think the Jackson Coosa is that boat.

http://www.liquidlogickayaks.com/coupe.cfm
http://www.dagger.com/product_subcategory/index/product_homepage/recreational_touring/torrent/
http://jacksonkayak.com/jk-kayaks/kayak-fishing/coosa/

with keeled boats (all yaks really)crossing eddy lines, you always want to "show your ass" to the oncoming current. edging the boat to the downstream side of an eddy line keeps the upriver edge from catching and dumping you. You HAVE to edge hard in big keeled boats, or they will pitch you quick!

The way OK hulls are designed though, the keels are massive. They sit extra deep then the rest of the boat sits on the surface. like this --\_/--, the coosa, the coupe etc. look more like this and seem better suited. \____/ even a sea kayak hull like this V does better than most SOT's because when you tilt the V you release the keel and the flat plane you're tilted on the can slide around.

Most SOT hulls are the super grabby kind, and without much secondary, once the boat edges or tilts a bit, the boat no longer offers support and you get dumped unless you have a really, really strong brace.

I honestly think WW inflatables are a really good option, AIRE makes some real nice ones.

NuCanoe makes some very drift boat like yaks that can be manned with oars or paddles. If they took the keel down, and added some scuppers, this would be a mini plastic drift boat. I really wish they WOULD do that.

http://www.nucanoe.com/solo-rower/

Looks like they are going for the official WW SOT designation here. I took this from the Jackson Coosa web page.

•The River Kayak Fishing Niche has been completely overlooked for many years in the kayak fishing world. Moving water, narrow flats, bushed-in waterways, oxbow lakes and whitewater are natural feeding grounds for all river fish and most of the action is found in these narrows, stretches and rapids. For generations some of these grounds have been missed simply due to inaccessibility; hidden oxbow lakes from rivers, pools loaded with unfished territory in between rapids and much more. The Coosa’s ‘creek-style’ hull design, secondary stability, whitewater-esq ‘rocker’ all make for a performing river craft. It turns tight, slips shallow to get over debris, bumps and grinds shallow river beds and punches holes and waves in class IV whitewater… getting you to some of the most untouched fishing grounds on earth!

NuCanoe makes some very drift boat like yaks that can be manned with oars or paddles. If they took the keel down, and added some scuppers, this would be a mini plastic drift boat. I really wish they WOULD do that.

If they added scuppers, they could take the freeboard down and reduce weight.

-Allen

ya know, i think "nook really likes that boat.

but he does have a point. if there ever was a company situated to actually produce a plastic mini drifter with minimal design changes to their original, it's gotta be NuCanoe...

i wonder if they have a designer on staff named Nigel...........?? 

http://www.nucanoe.com/solo-rower/

They definitely have a good start. I'm no expert but looked it over while buying fishing stuff at OE and the rocker seemed pretty flat. Sides also seemed low. We gotta talk to these guys. Right here in Bellingham.


Something similar to this little bugger might be neat.


Z

I thought nucanoe was in the SE for some reason. It's definitely lacking in rocker and would need some tweeks, but not that much really. it is designed for flat water as it is though. I talked to the rep at OR who was from TX and just really wasn't getting the WW drift boat concept, but I didn't push it more than a mention either.

I thought nucanoe was in the SE for some reason. It's definitely lacking in rocker and would need some tweeks, but not that much really. it is designed for flat water as it is though. I talked to the rep at OR who was from TX and just really wasn't getting the WW drift boat concept, but I didn't push it more than a mention either.

Nucanoe was started by Tim Niemier (former founder of OK).  Keep pushing the rep, he'll "get it" eventually.  When they first came out, I mentioned to them to do an oar kit.  They didn't get it back then either.     Took a couple years ...

-Allen

May want to check these videos out on the Coosa if you are looking for a river boat.  I designed this boat to handle up to class III or even IV rapids (depending on the paddlers skill level).  And, it was made by Jackson Kayak, the leading market share holder in whitewater kayaking so you know they know what they are doing when it comes to rivers.  I think if you ever paddle it you'll see there isn't a better fishing kayak for the river. 

Saw it in the other thread   

ok, i took the plunge and emailed NuCanoe about building a mini drifter. Here's what i got back;
From: Blake Young ([email protected]) on behalf of Blake Young ([email protected])
Sent: Tue 3/22/11 8:52 AM
To:  Richard Walter ([email protected])

Richard,

The Rowing Accessories are listed at http://www.nucanoe.com/rowing-accessories/ and http://www.nucanoe.com/row/.

I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on the drift boat application.  How would you change the current design to better reach this market?

Blake

Blake Young
Director of Business Development
NuCanoe, Inc.
(p) 360.543.9019
(p) 888.226.6310
(f) 360.483.5613
www.nucanoe.com
www.facebook.com/nucanoe

On 3/21/2011 5:05 PM, Richard Walter wrote:

Blake,
I live south of Puyallup in the little town of Graham. Been lookign for a smaller format craft to negotiate places like the Wynoochie and other smaller, shallower rivers.
 
have to go back to your website and find the accessories you mentioned.
 
you do realize you have the best facitlity in the western US right now to make a true dedicated, high impact material mini drifter, right? the market is there, you just need ot tap it.


 

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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:09:22 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NuCanoe.com Inquiry

Richard,

Thanks for contacting us.  We do not have a "drift boat version" of the NuCanoe in the works.  We do have many customers using it like a drift boat.  They are installed the rowing outriggers and using oars, but doing so "facing forward" instead of back.  You can then control the direction and speed of the boat as you go down river. 

Where are you located?

Regards,
Blake

Blake Young
Director of Business Development
NuCanoe, Inc.
(p) 360.543.9019
(p) 888.226.6310
(f) 360.483.5613
www.nucanoe.com
www.facebook.com/nucanoe
On 3/19/2011 3:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:


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Message  : are you planning on making a drift boat version of nucanoe? if not , how would i go about settign up a 12 footer as a mini drifter?

i'm going to refer him to this thread so he has a better understanding of the ideas flowing thru here. many of you are more qualified than i am to give him input.

I too have been looking for a "Drift Boat" style of kayak and had previously dismissed the Nu.  I'd like to use it for steelheading on coastal rivers and especially for pulling plugs.  The NuCanoe looks almost ideal but storage and seating leave much to be desired.

Don't need 2 seats in a 10' model but I would like a fish box (w/ securable lid) and a small box to hold a couple Plano 5-20's which seem to have discontinued in favor of some new and improved line ofPlano waterproof StowAways®: http://www.planomolding.com/fishing/fishing-products/