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Topic: Ultimate Custom Sturgeon Rod  (Read 8614 times)

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SturgeonRod

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Most big game sturgeon rods with any sort of reputation are heavy power and at least fast action
Shimanos "Technium" west coast sturgeon edition is extra heavy power and extra fast action..

Are they designed for kayak fishing?

Don't get your leader in a knot ;D  Just tossing up my thoughts as someone who has caught lots of oversized fish over the years from both a 20ft sled and a kayak.  Congrats on your new rod.
Leaders lol that's no good. Just very passionate about my sturgeon, some might call me obsessed haha.
-Rodney-


SturgeonRod

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How many over sized fish have you caught on the Frazier? Are they pretty rare encounters? What type of bait will you use? Single barbless, I'm assuming?

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Single barbless, nothing but.  I have hooked and landed countless large sturgeon over the years and have found different baits to be productive at different times of the year and different sections of water.
-Rodney-


SturgeonRod

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Most big game sturgeon rods with any sort of reputation are heavy power and at least fast action
Shimanos "Technium" west coast sturgeon edition is extra heavy power and extra fast action..

Are they designed for kayak fishing?

Don't get your leader in a knot ;D  Just tossing up my thoughts as someone who has caught lots of oversized fish over the years from both a 20ft sled and a kayak.  Congrats on your new rod.


Not to sure short of a custom build if there is a manufactured rod dedicated to a kayak
-Rodney-


polepole

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Go get a 15# dumbbell out of the garage and hook it up to your favorite setup.  Come back and tell us how it goes!  Now image that on a kayak.

Done.  It felt like I was breaking off a snag.

OK.  You got me boss.  FWIW, I personally am not that comfortable with 15# drag settings off the kayak.

-Allen


Fungunnin

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How many over sized fish have you caught on the Frazier? Are they pretty rare encounters? What type of bait will you use? Single barbless, I'm assuming?

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Single barbless, nothing but.  I have hooked and landed countless large sturgeon over the years and have found different baits to be productive at different times of the year and different sections of water.

You are very forth coming with information. Let me know the next company you are looking to plug and I'll make sure and give them some hits for all the awesome info you have helped fellow kayak angers with....

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jgrady

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Nice rod, peice of art work too.but as the biggest sturgeon 12ft. I've seen(not by me) was caugth with a med/heavy action uglystik think I will save my money,as i'm not rich for trips and exspencive gear.


SturgeonRod

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Not rich by any means, some may say frugal, crazy, disgusting or just plain stupid but I wouldn't change it for anything.. Fishing is one of a few things in life that I just can't get enough of , and as I fish on I will continually raise the "bar"
-Rodney-


jgrady

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Very nice, Pretty even, as said , a work of art, I hate to lose it overboard..very cool if you have one.


SturgeonRod

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Yupp over board is a risk we all take when on the water, us with experience try to minimize the risk of loss. "Anchor all that is on board and keep it to a minimum"
-Rodney-


SturgeonRod

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Some tests on a blank similar to the one I've used in this build using 30-40# of wieghts
-Rodney-


Fungunnin

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It takes way less than 10 pounds to move a kayak forward through the water. I am guessing it takes 3 or 4 pounds.

But at what speed, and were your feet hanging in the water?  I generally have my feet in the water.

Maybe we're talking different kinds of numbers here, but then again, you two have recently indicated that you like to use lighter gear.  I'm pretty sure I'm putting more than 10, 15, maybe more than 20# of pull when I yank a ling off the bottom with an tiger stick and a penn fathom.  No drag slip and it's rated at 25# of drag.  Seems like Lings 28 inches or better and Cabbies over 22 inches can make that drag slip, but nothing smaller.

I love the way those fat cabbies peel line out once you get them near the boat.

Ok with all this talk about drag pounds I had to see where my halibut combo was set at. I haven't adjusted it since AK so these are the settings I caught by big halibut and big lincod at.
The combo is a Lami Tri Flex 7' 10-20 pound rod and the reel is a Talica 8.
I set the 'strike' setting on the reel to just about the bottom end.
At the setting I was getting 8.5# of drag at strike and 13 at full. I never once felt the need to push past my strike setting.

I adjusted the drag to see what more felt like and quickly made the decision to not push that rod any further. So I took the reel of that rod and attached to my 5.5' 50-130 pound meat stick. Adjusting the drag to almost the max I was generating 18# at strike and bottomed out my 25 pound scale at full and then snapped 50# braid at the knot.

I would not want to put 20 pounds of drag on a fish out of a kayak!   


Lee

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I did my test with 65# braid, and a really ugly tiger stick.  I wasn't worried about breaking anything. 

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CraigVM62

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That rod sure scores high for creativity with the scutes incorporated in the design.
 
It is deceiving how even with shorter "broomstick" rods,  your not putting as much tension on the line as your arms and back may have you convinced you are.
I spent the better part of the 90's taking 10 to 12 guided trips a year going after oversize sturgeon on the Columbia.    My best was on rather light gear running 40# braid.   I doubt I ever put much more than 20 lbs of actual tension on the line.   It took 2 1/2 hours and 7 miles of river from where we hooked it before finally getting it to roll over .   We still joke around that the fish finally just came to the boat to have the hook removed as he was tired of playing with us.

 I think a decent over sized could be taken from a kayak given enough time and river.   I would only try it if I had a support boat with me.

I used to think that Bigfoot might exist. Then I saw the reality shows where they are looking for them.  Now I am certain they don't


Fungunnin

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20 pounds of drag is a hell of a lot! If you were fishing 40 pound braid I bet you had no more than 10 to 15 pounds of drag.

Lee have you put your reel to a scale to see exactly what drag you are fishing at?

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polepole

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Remember your physics.  There is a lever action going on here, so 10 pounds of drag out the tip of a rod translates to much more force at the grips.

-Allen


 

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