Define Kayak

I do not feel that tandem kayaks should be excluded.

What are these?

-Allen

Wavewalk KAYAKS.  I noticed them a couple of years ago, a catamaran kayak hull.

http://www.wavewalk.com/

I was told it had to be made from the same stuff as Milk Jugs and used a paddle to move.

I do not feel that tandem kayaks should be excluded.

do both peeps need to be actively fishing or is 1 allowed to be a means of propulsion?

What are these?

-Allen

Imperial Tie Fighter class catayaks

Nice!

I dunno, ...taking a single hull and adding outriggers turns it into a trimaran in my book. AI & TI owners would have to strip them down to compete, which is, without looking, what i think is already the rule?

Jacksons Big Tuna tandem is listed at 35.5 inches wide. The Cobra FnD and Double +1 are both 36. Didn't see anything on the Malibu site wider than 33. Most Ok's come in @ 30-33. NuCanoe is marketed as a boat for the most part,. So, set the width rule at 36-38?

Also would rule against the electro yaks. Like the mirage drive gang, their "advantage" is mostly speed and hands free trolling,. AOTY historically has proven it's the fisherman and not the fishing vessel that wins it.

We let Pisco run with his Wherry for several reasons, but when it came to a point, politely moderated in group, it was decided to let him stay since he did contribute a lot to our group, and he actually did have a kayak to fish off of when he wasn't guiding. But he was the exception. I think we should make that the only exception unless severely mitigating circumstances rear their head, such as a disabled vet with AOTY and HoW experience who has an aid of some type to accommodate his/her handicap.

Honestly Allen, I am glad i am not in your or the committee members' shoes on this. It's going to be a tough one, but you have to make it a fair, level field and let the best rise to the top.

One last thing before i step out the way; I'd say doubles allowed only if it's fished as a single for the adults, but  members with kids who can't yet paddle or are under the age of 11 and don't have their own yak yet, be excepted as long as it's counted only as the kids AOTY. That way mom and dad can coach  and act as safety officer, but let the young angler actually do the entire catch, land/boat/release scenario.

 A kayak is defined by the International Canoe Federation (the world sanctioning body) as a boat where the paddler faces forward, legs in front, using a double-bladed paddle.   

         The mirage drive seems to fall into that mechanical drive area.   Sure it's human powered, but it still is a mechanical device propelling you through the water.     

   There are  Canoe paddles,   Kayak paddles  and  then  "pedal drives".   

       Which is it,  Kayak Fishing  or   Human Powered Vessel fishing ? 

  Width of boat doesn't really matter the criteria is spelled out above.  " Using a double bladed paddle "

     

     

Technically, a paddle is a lever, which meets the definition of a machine - making it a mechanical drive system.

what a pickle, as you cannot ban mirage drives... but mirage drives open up all kinds of definitional questions.

good luck.  my advise is to just go ahead and choose the rules that work for you, the site, and aoty and not worry about the naysayers or those who might disagree.

I am one of those people who are looking from the outside in. I do not have a stake in this but here are my thoughts.

This is a friendly competition right? The weight of the world isn't balanced on this single competition? There are no hundred thousand dollar prizes at stake... So why not make it what it was originally intended. A friendly competition amongst friends.

As for the advantage/disadvantage boat of choice issue. I have a friend that has racked up a whopping $75000 price tag trying to out fish me and my Outback. He has the power, the sled, the distance and even a heater to do the trick, but still falls short in the fish category. Isn't the advantage and disadvantage really the person manning the yak, boat, or whatever it is classified. I can sit next to Nate have the same boat, reel, rod and bait and still not catch as many salmon as he does. (Which still gets my goat.) It has nothing to do with anything else but his talent to catch salmon.

Going down this path of clarifications and definitions will result in excluding some portion of the the people on this forum. Therefore, you have lost the original intent "a friendly competition". I know that i have opened myself up for... Just felt compelled to weigh in on the issue.

Sorry Allen if I have stepped on any toes.

Wobbler

I am one of those people who are looking from the outside in. I do not have a stake in this but here are my thoughts.

This is a friendly competition right? The weight of the world isn't balanced on this single competition? There are no hundred thousand dollar prizes at stake... So why not make it what it was originally intended. A friendly competition amongst friends.

As for the advantage/disadvantage boat of choice issue. I have a friend that has racked up a whopping $75000 price tag trying to out fish me and my Outback. He has the power, the sled, the distance and even a heater to do the trick, but still falls short in the fish category. Isn't the advantage and disadvantage really the person manning the yak, boat, or whatever it is classified. I can sit next to Nate have the same boat, reel, rod and bait and still not catch as many salmon as he does. (Which still gets my goat.) It has nothing to do with anything else but his talent to catch salmon.

Going down this path of clarifications and definitions will result in excluding some portion of the the people on this forum. Therefore, you have lost the original intent "a friendly competition". I know that i have opened myself up for... Just felt compelled to weigh in on the issue.

Sorry Allen if I have stepped on any toes.

Wobbler

+1.
Although I think giving everyone a chance to voice their concerns is a good thing. Clears the air.
Bottom line is we have way too many people in Hobies to ban them from AOTY. Also, Hobies (with the exception of the PA) are defined as kayaks.
Lastly, look at the AOTY history of winners, there truly doesn't appear to be any advantage to peddle vs. paddle.


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I am one of those people who are looking from the outside in. I do not have a stake in this but here are my thoughts.

This is a friendly competition right? The weight of the world isn't balanced on this single competition? There are no hundred thousand dollar prizes at stake... So why not make it what it was originally intended. A friendly competition amongst friends.

As for the advantage/disadvantage boat of choice issue. I have a friend that has racked up a whopping $75000 price tag trying to out fish me and my Outback. He has the power, the sled, the distance and even a heater to do the trick, but still falls short in the fish category. Isn't the advantage and disadvantage really the person manning the yak, boat, or whatever it is classified. I can sit next to Nate have the same boat, reel, rod and bait and still not catch as many salmon as he does. (Which still gets my goat.) It has nothing to do with anything else but his talent to catch salmon.

Going down this path of clarifications and definitions will result in excluding some portion of the the people on this forum. Therefore, you have lost the original intent "a friendly competition". I know that i have opened myself up for... Just felt compelled to weigh in on the issue.

Sorry Allen if I have stepped on any toes.

Wobbler

Naw.  No toes stepped on.  But I think you've missed the point.  If there is one thing I've learned with running AOTY, is that is helps to have things defined in black and white.

AOTY is a friendly competition.  But it IS a COMPETITION.  The purpose of this exercise is not to exclude people (although that happens).  Rather it is to avoid future hard feelings.

-Allen

good luck.  my advise is to just go ahead and choose the rules that work for you, the site, and aoty and not worry about the naysayers or those who might disagree.

Of course that's what we're doing!   

-Allen

This assistance allowed for getting the photograph? Can a partner take the picture of you holding the fish?


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This assistance allowed for getting the photograph? Can a partner take the picture of you holding the fish?


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Absolutely.  You can even wait to take the picture til you're back on land. 

Edit:  though I would recommend at least 1 picture with you, the fish, and the boat - all together in the water  :-)