Thursday 18th Pacific City

It reads exactly the same as above. Am I missing something?

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As I read it you can do both, but if you manage to catch a halibut then you can't fish for rockfish after that.

Until a halibut is on board the vessel you can retain rockfish.

The rockfish (and lings) would be in your possession with a halibut onboard so you would be in violation.

"North of Humbug Mt.: During days open to all-depth halibut fishing, only salmon (as regulations allow), sablefish,
Pacific cod, flatfish species (soles, flounders, sanddabs & turbots), tuna and most other offshore pelagic species may
be in possession or landed when Pacific halibut are onboard the vessel."

I've heard of anglers going back to the dock with their halibut then going out for lings/rockfish.  I would think that even that is a violation to have both in possession on the same all depth halibut day, but I guess it's only possession on the watercraft.

On an all depth day, If you retain a rockfish, then catch a halibut, you'd be in violation to retain the halibut.  You'd be certainly more sad to release it, but them's the rules!

Interesting that's not in the reg book or the updates for marine zone. I had to dig quite a way to find it. Not that it likely matters for me anyways, but I'd be interested to ask someone from odfw to clarify since the verbiage is inconsistent throughout (nothing new.)


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Interesting that's not in the reg book or the updates for marine zone. I had to dig quite a way to find it. Not that it likely matters for me anyways, but I'd be interested to ask someone from odfw to clarify since the verbiage is inconsistent throughout (nothing new.)


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Matt, I agree that the ODFW does a terrible job at wording for the average person including myself.  I feel that either they have a "word nerd" doing all of their descriptive writing for them, or they are intentionally wording things vague to somehow give the LEO's a bendable line to use for collecting income from us from various cryptic violations.

However, in this case it is pretty clear what is being said regarding halibut, and bottomfish during All Depth Days.

When Pacific halibut are onboard the fishing vessel during all-depth halibut openers, no species from the groundfish group may be taken and retained, possessed or landed, except sablefish, other flatfish, and Pacific cod, in areas north of Humbug Mountain.

I would however suggest that you contact ODFW and/or the Tillamook Co Sheriff to answer you in better detail.

I've heard of anglers going back to the dock with their halibut then going out for lings/rockfish.  I would think that even that is a violation to have both in possession on the same all depth halibut day, but I guess it's only possession on the watercraft.

On an all depth day, If you retain a rockfish, then catch a halibut, you'd be in violation to retain the halibut.  You'd be certainly more sad to release it, but them's the rules!

Although I completely agree with you on practicing going to shore and back out is sketchy, I believe it has more to do with bycatch issues while in deep waters, than possession on land. 

I saw this down in California during the Gimme Shelter tourneys, where salmon was on the list of fish to bag to win, but down there if you have a salmon on board, you have to use barbless hooks for everything else as well.  So, guys would go out and target bottomfish first, then beach and unload and go back out for their salmon.  Seemed to be the norm down there, so I don't see it as far fetched up here with halibut and bottomfish retention.

It's absolutely poor wording to put it kindly. Frankly it doesn't matter to me since I can't see myself fishing for halibut anytime this year, but I am glad we brought up the discussion. And you're absolutely right that on this document it does say it clearly.

The only place I have found it with clear wording is below:
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/finfish/halibut/seasonmaps/2017_hbt_map.pdf

And that took some searching. One cannot be reasonably expected to scour every inch of the ODFW site for every conceivable possible location of a regulation.

Here's an easy fix for this whole thing, no wordsmith or english teacher needed:

- It is unlawful to retain Pacific Halibut during all depth halibut openers when groundfish are present in the vessel
- During all halibut openers it is unlawful to retain any species from the groundfish group when Pacific halibut are on the vessel.  Exceptions to the groundfish distinction are: sablefish, other flatfish, and Pacific cod, in areas north of Humbug Mountain.
 

AS I'm reading it no rock fish in possession once a Pacific halibut is on board...

AS I'm reading it no rock fish in possession once a Pacific halibut is on board...

so throw over that black rockfish if you hook into a flattie!

First, if you are targeting halibut at PC, the first 2-2.5 hours on the water will be going out to the halibut grounds. Make sure you pay attention to the currents once past the rock.  With your back to the shore it is easy to not realize you are getting swept south (or north) at about 1-2 miles per hour.  This is where high school geometry comes in handy in helping you figure out how much further you are away from your launch than you thought.  Then, hopefully, you will get one or two drifts in on the halibut grounds before it is time to do that 2-2.5 hour paddle back (or more if you forgot about the current). Then you can target lings and rock fish if you got skunked for halis.  If not, return to shore with your halibut then go back out and get a ling--if you have the energy.  Or better yet, bask in your greatness at the Pelican Brewery then go clean your halibut.  I usually just drop a crab pot so at least I go home with something. If ocean salmon is open, you can always troll for them on the way in and out.  That way you don't feel like you wasted a day if you got no halibut love.

Second, who cares about targeting wormy rock fish when your goal should be delicious halibut on a day you choose to target halibut.  Also, catching a rockfish on a halibut rig is kinda boring.

AS I'm reading it no rock fish in possession once a Pacific halibut is on board...

so throw over that black rockfish if you hook into a flattie!

I guess if you keep them alive on a stringer in the water you could in theory release them but I'd hate to release a dead fish.  So I guess go Hali-hunting first and if no luck rock fish?!?!?!?

AS I'm reading it no rock fish in possession once a Pacific halibut is on board...

so throw over that black rockfish if you hook into a flattie!

I guess if you keep them alive on a stringer in the water you could in theory release them but I'd hate to release a dead fish.  So I guess go Hali-hunting first and if no luck rock fish?!?!?!?

If you put them on a stringer you have killed them already, they just don't know it yet, and releasing them is highly unethical. It would be similar to sticking a rope in your lungs.

AS I'm reading it no rock fish in possession once a Pacific halibut is on board...

so throw over that black rockfish if you hook into a flattie!

I guess if you keep them alive on a stringer in the water you could in theory release them but I'd hate to release a dead fish.  So I guess go Hali-hunting first and if no luck rock fish?!?!?!?

If you put them on a stringer you have killed them already, they just don't know it yet, and releasing them is highly unethical. It would be similar to sticking a rope in your lungs.

That's why I said in theory, the Big Tuna's live well works great for upsizing but a limit of PC blacks and one lingcod is more then it can hold please ask me how I know. Imight just  mooch some herring in deeper water past the can....if I hook a halibut freakin awesome...... if I hook a big ass ling hey that's great.

Holy shit, this crap again!?!? How many different ways in this thread does it need to be said?! 

I guess it has been a while since we've gone over this but it does not change from year to year...   

To put this in its most simple form, on an all depth weekend you may pick only one combo to have on your kayak for the day:
 - Halibut + salmon
 - Rockfish, lings, greenling + barbed hooks
 - Rockfish, lings, greenling + salmon + barbless hooks

Keep in mind:
"It is unlawful to fish for or take and retain any species while possessing onboard any species not allowed to be taken
in that area at the time. "
That means you can't keep them on a stringer, that would be retaining a species. Plus no one should be dragging fish in the water anyway - you're in a kayak FFS!!   

FFS!! 

FOR F#€KS SAKE