Lamiglas rod squad forum

Guys -

I've been trying to get Lamiglas to build a kayak rod for salmon trolling. Sounds like it might be in the works.

Sign up for the forum and give them your input...but don't screw it up! I want it to be a shorter version of the 803!

Depending on exactly how you want to troll the XCF 802 @ 8' is fine IMO. Actually if you're downrigging like I do, I feel it's on the short side. 9' has always been my go to. To be honest a "kayak fishing rod" is almost a misnomer. There's a few things that you can do to make a rod kayak fishing friendly but it's very little to do with the blank or length.

Z

Sending out Lami feelers ... if they got one in the works, I'd sure like to get one for an AOTY prize.  Last year Lami sported for the largest AOTY salmon ... D'oh!  I still neeed to ship Jay his rod.

-Allen

I don't think length is the issue either.  Rods can be too short (if you can't reach around your bow with a fish on you might have some problems).

The Okuma kayak rods do however have some nice features for kayak anglers..
1.) they float
2.) they have a ring to attach a rod leash (I think the Lami kayak rods do this as well).
3.) they are built to withstand a bit of high sticking (again I think the Lami kayak rods are like this).

I've looked around the Lamiglas rod squad forum and while the info is good, the interface is horrible.  It's impossible to get results from their "search box" and other features I come to expect from an online forum.

I like the idea of a Lamiglas fiberglass kayak rod for salmon, but like Zee said, most rods do fine on a kayak.  I think all they would need to do is match one of their XCF blanks to their Kayak rod grips.  As for length, I'm still trying to figure that out as I plan on getting an XCF soon.


Brian

Got ahold of John.  Lami is signed up for AOTY sponsorship!!!   

He's also very interested in knowing what you all want in terms of a kayak fishing salmon rod (or other rod style for that matter).  Post up your ideas here.  After a few days, I'll point him to the thread.

-Allen

He's also very interested in knowing what you all want in terms of a kayak fishing salmon rod (or other rod style for that matter).  Post up your ideas here.  After a few days, I'll point him to the thread.

8'8"-9' heavy power, moderate action, with a 9" rod butt. Floatation, leash attachment point opposite side of reel seat. Oh, and name it "Zee's Salmon Slayrider" 

Z

There's a few things that you can do to make a rod kayak fishing friendly but it's very little to do with the blank or length.
Z

I beg to differ a bit Z. One of the nice things about manufacturers is that they can roll their own and/or choose from a wider catalog of blank profiles than most mere mortals.  Sure, there is a good amount "sewing the emperor's new clothes", but they can actually pick and choose different combinations and may actually come up with something that's a bit better.

 Actually, I think Lami has one of the optimal blanks for yak fishing in their closeout bin as we speak.   It's 7' to 8', sensitive tip with stronger graphite mid section and a matching backbone, and its 3 pieces. It's strong, light and sensitive, but with enough give in the tip not to rip the lips off. The 3 pieces make it easy to stow coming in or going out (or traveling).  Combine that with the Okuma features (ability to float, leash clip, and built to put up with high sticking) and I think you'd have durn near the ultimate, all around, inshore stick.

I've been in the process of wrapping a couple of them up for last few months. It's a bit of a pain to build as you got to spine each piece, but nothing that can't be overcome with some time. The real hold up has been the buttwrap and inlay (and that's just extra fluff)

 It may be a tad stiff for the downrigger though, but they marketed it as a travel outrigger blank. I'll post a pic as some as I get a round tuit.


Wali

I beg to differ a bit Z. One of the nice things about manufacturers is that they can roll their own and/or choose from a wider catalog of blank profiles than most mere mortals.  Sure, there is a good amount "sewing the emperor's new clothes", but they can actually pick and choose different combinations and may actually come up with something that's a bit better.

I hear ya. Not saying they couldn't do that but I believe that changing those aspects of the rod doesn't really lend it self to fitting a kayak fisherman any better.

built to put up with high sticking

Even though Okuma's are supposed to be built for it they strangely enough have had problems with it in the past. I personally have yet to hear many problems w/ high sticking and kayak fishing.

It may be a tad stiff for the downrigger though,

Then it ain't no salmon rod.. 

Is highsticking really a concern in the more moderate action salmon rods?

-Allen

Is highsticking really a concern in the mode moderate action salmon rods?

-Allen

Nope.

Z

Then it ain't no salmon rod.. 

You did say "salmon rod" did'nt you.

oh well,

nevermind

I'm actually in the process of trying to get a salmon rod and here are some things I'm looking for if I could afford a custom rod..

1.) I'm cheap and because of this issue, I often go with the "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of rods if I can find them.  For example, with salmon in the Portland area I'd like a rod that does a decent job at running kwikfish like the XCF803, but will also troll herring fairly well like the XCF904.   My compromise will probably be getting something in betwen like an XCF864.   Regarding the XCF series in general, these are fiberglass rods and I think that's an advantage when the bites aren't subtle and having some extra give is a plus.

2.) The rod should easily stow in my hatch.  Actually, it should stow in my hatch via the rod pod.  At 8 ft long and 1 piece the XCF803 might be a bit long (I need to measure the maximum rod length).  A two piece option seems like it would eliminate this problem.  My prefered size for a kayak rod is generally about 7'6", but for a moderate action rod (i.e. lot of bend) a longer length wouldn't be too bad and the longer length would help with the salmon.

3.) Having a leash attachment ring opposite the reel seat is a great kayak feature and I wish the XCF's had them.  I'll probably cable tie a ring on myself.

4.) If it can float with a reel attached, that would be a plus.  The Okuma kayak rods do this, but they are a bit bulky.  I'm not sure how to make a Lamiglas rod float and still look and feel good.

5.) I think if the rod could have the front and rear grips of the other Lamiglas kayak rods would be nice.  I'm not sure that would make it any better of a rod, but it would match well with their other kayak rods and keep the theme going.

Brian

5.) I think if the rod could have the front and rear grips of the other Lamiglas kayak rods would be nice.  I'm not sure that would make it any better of a rod, but it would match well with their other kayak rods and keep the theme going.

Yeah, something about cork handles for NW Salmon ...

-Allen

3.) Having a leash attachment ring opposite the reel seat is a great kayak feature and I wish the XCF's had them.  I'll probably cable tie a ring on myself.

I hope they update the figure-8 attachments they were using.  The attachpoint was too small and felt too weak.  Scotty has a nice strong figure-8 they sell as part of their paddle holder or their bottle holder.  It turns out they fit really nicely on rods too.  B, I'll send you some.   

Here's a pic of the bottle holder.  The figure-8 fits around a water bottle neck.  You can take the clip off and tie it to the end of a leash and clip it back to the figure-8 that you've rolled up your rod butt.

-Allen

B, I'll send you some.

Sweet! Thanks.