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Cutthroat Chris

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Good thing my boat is only 29 inches long.  It's 13 and a half feet wide though ;D

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so....is their a recommended "boat wash" solution that will kill these organisms?
I can see rinsing a salt boat with fresh water, but rinsing a fresh water boat with fresh won't kill much IMHO.
 I think I'll put the sticker under my seat....so I can lean forward and make it easier for them to kiss my a$$ when asked for the sticker.   ;D
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how are they going to pay for the officers to enforce this when they are already screaming they can't afford the ones they have and are trying to reduce that number even more??

well, people wanted change...."be careful what you wish for" comes to mind
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Man this is such a crock. I had never heard of this until yesterday...wish I had, we could have put the shop e-mail list to good use to send nasty letters to our politicians.

I personally don't see any way they can enforce this, unless you have reg. stickers, which I'm sure as hell not smacking across any glass boat.

I'm going to protest by not registering. I'll take the ticket on principle.


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I for one don't have a problem with it..  Sure its one more thing to buy and an added hassle but, I believe its a necessary evil to address a real and potentially ecosystem altering problem. For PB owners there was a huge stink over the mandatory boater registration cards (which yaks don't need, apparently we are immune to knowing the rules of the road), now everyone has one and hopefully it forced a few folks to actually look at the boating handbook and absorb a little safety info.

 I realize that large ships and issues like ballast water/hull cleaning have already brought lots of nasties to our bays and tidal rivers (and this doesn't address these problems) but it will be boaters, all boaters, who can and most likely will spread some of these aquatic invasives to inland waters.  If someone has to pay for a sticker and hopefully read the pamphlet that comes with it, god forbid awareness might be raised on the issues and behaviors that put our fisheries at risk.

It does seem slightly unfair that the issue rates vari  depending on PB vs Paddle and a flat rate would be better IMO. If you have a problem with this you should check out the Oregon field guide program on invasive species, shocking and frightening! The potential costs to "try" to mitigate the damage caused by these invaders is only slightly more ::) than the few bucks they want from us to try to keep worst case scenarios from occurring.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2009, 10:32:31 AM by pelagic paddler »


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I mentioned Zebra mussels before, but here is a better example... Hydrilla verticillata

It tends to clog up lakes and is easily transported on trailers, boats, even little pools of water inside small boats.




It has been found in WA, but seems to have been controlled with some effort.
http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.asp?speciesID=6

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In 1995, it was discovered in two interconnected Washington lakes, east of Puget Sound, where early biomass measurements reflect high growth potential in the northwestern climate (K. Hamel, Washington State University, pers. comm. 1995).  Following successive years of herbicide treatment, only two isolated plants were found in one of these lakes in 2006 and none in 2007.

Both CA and ID have decent populations and it would be nice to keep it out of OR and WA.
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From page 3 of http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2200.dir/hb2220.b.pdf
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SECTION 9. Notwithstanding ORS 830.790 (3), fees for issuance and renewal of an aquatic
invasive species prevention permit are as follows:
(1) The biennial fee for a motorboat issued a certificate of number under ORS 830.795 is $5.
(2) The annual fee for a manually propelled boat 10 feet or more in length is $5.
(3) The annual fee for a motorboat operated by a nonresident is $20.
(4) The annual fee for an operator of a boat livery is:
(a) $30 for an operator who owns 6 to 10 manually propelled boats;
(b) $55 for an operator who owns 11 to 20 manually propelled boats; or
(c) $100 for an operator who owns 21 or more manually propelled boats.
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Am I missing something? I don't see a fee for manually propelled boats operated by nonresidents.


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Same as a resident...

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(2) The annual fee for a manually propelled boat 10 feet or more in length is $5.

Although charging non-residents more would be fine with me.
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how are they going to pay for the officers to enforce this when they are already screaming they can't afford the ones they have and are trying to reduce that number even more??

well, people wanted change...."be careful what you wish for" comes to mind


I'm wondering the same thing as Rich here.  At $5 a pop the program most likely won't even be able to fund itself let alone set aside money for restoration.   They must be praying for a helluva lot of tickets.
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Oregon currently has 197,000 registered boats, not counting yaks etc. at 5 bucks a pop (they will ding me for 7 stickers :o), plus the addition of the yaks and other covered water craft that adds up to a decent sum.


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I just don't see what this does besides raise money. I don't see how this will change anything regarding invasive species, and I don't trust the gov to manage this money to have any effect whatsoever.

Is this how you become politically conservative? God help me ;D Next thing you know I'll have to pay a $5 fee for wearing clothes because scotchbroom pollen can attach to it.

How much money do they have to spend to monitor and enforce this program?



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Oregon currently has 197,000 registered boats, not counting yaks etc. at 5 bucks a pop (they will ding me for 7 stickers :o), plus the addition of the yaks and other covered water craft that adds up to a decent sum.

It's a decent sum but will it pay for the infrastructure to distribute permits, police the waters, plus train and compensate the people who need to be on locations.  1 million dollars to last 2 years seems like a lot but is it really to fund the program and leave money for cleanup efforts.  Especially the way we know that the government operates ;-)  I'd be on board if i knew this would actually make a difference but I don't so how it could with such little funding.
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So check/wash stations for kayaks at boat ramps? silliness. I've launched at a ramp maybe 3 times out of 10,000. This doesn't change anything to make kayaks less suseptable to transporting invasive species. There is no way they can enforce this except for maybe busy boat ramps.

I'm all for finding funding for invasive species research, but this is just stupid in my opinion.


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For kayaks, the permit is issued to the operator. So it is a $5 fee no matter how many yaks you have.

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Well, I'd keep my eyes open for a change in definition of requirements for registering a boat if they actually intend to keep a program like this alive.  Is there any mumbling about ticketing violators?
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