Aquatic invasive species permit...

Yeah, as I learned with my paddleboard-PFD debacle, the OSMB loves to inject ambiguity into their documents.  They're gonna make a killing at 142 bucks a pop.

I've seen one F&G boat on the columbia in the last 5 years, and they only seem to want to harass bank anglers. I'm pretty sure they're going to park a dude at the 2 or 3 most popular boat ramps and that's about it. I'll never be at those launches anyway.

Actually, I haven't seen that much enforcement for anything from F&G. Covering 2 or 3 boat ramps around Portland would be way more than they do for anything else, like fishing license etc.

So I don't really see any possibility of ever getting caught, and I don't see them increasing staff to enforce a $7 permit, when they don't have enough people to enforce fishing licenses that they make way more $$ on than this permit.

It just feels like BS to me, and I'm going to be a conscientious objector.

  Ok, I just got off the phone with the marine board myself. I wanted to double check since I posted that earlier. The lady I talked to confirmed that one boat = one permit, no matter the permit holder or paddler. I specifically asked about multiple boats, I was told you can buy as many permits as you want, or as many boats as you have, and anyone can use that boat with your permit -friends, family, wife, kids, strangers, weirdos from this board  , etc. So, if you have 8 boats, you can buy one permit and paddle any of them one on the water at a time, or buy 8 permits and have all 8 boats on the water regardless of who is piloting said boats.
  I also asked about enforcement, she said for the first few months only warnings would be given out, after that $142 tickets will be the norm. Lame. And she said no personal info is collected, so if you lose your permit, you have to buy a new one. Altogether lame.
Jonah

If no personal info is collected how do they know what boat belongs to what person and who's registered? I don't think they've thought this through.

Also, they purposefully kept paddlers in the dark, because they know we wouldn't support this. We (alder creek) only heard about this from lurking around on forums. The only time they made an announcement was after this stuff had already been put into law.

   I think it's pretty obvious that no one thought this through. It seems like a crappy idea someone had at a brainstorming session, and no one had the common sense to say "well, that sounds retarded". Take the money now, figure out the details later. I would feel a lot better about this if there was some kind of an education aspect to this, or if it was set up more like the boater's card that PB operators have to get, with an emphasis on invasive species. Not that I want to have to get any kind of permission to go paddle, but these things are pretty nasty. My home lake back in Idaho is almost completely destroyed by mill-foil. Paddle craft aren't really culpable for that, but still.
   This whole thing is kinda like the MR process here at the coast, something I would totally get behind and support if there was any common sense or public input involved anywhere in the process.
Jonah

I'm mostly curious as to "HOW" they came up with 10+ foot boat length on human powered boats?  Do 8' pontoon boats not transfer from one body of water to another and pose the same threats?  And like Nanook said, the water water guys, are their units made with special anti invasive species deflectors?

As for collecting info, didn't Jay just say earlier that his 2010 permit was littered with more info than his passport?
If it was punched into a computer, and then printed back out for your enjoyment, can we really think it isn't being recorded somewhere?

The idea to raise money for the study of invasive species is fine, the approach to communicate appropriately is less than satisfactory, the level of playing field is retarded, and the fact they are planning to fine folks for this poorly orchestrated KY jab up the Wazzoo has to be illegal somehow.  I am shocked that there was no public meeting held for comment like most every other money grab/land closure/off limits to you FUBAR'd attempt to change things dearly loved in Oregon.  

Is there a legal way to petition for absolutes on how, why, where, who, and so forth revolving around this ploy to snatch more money from folks?  

Off my soap box, and heading to bed now.  

During the summer, I tend to see quite a few Sheriff boats on the channel and the Columbia-proper.  Hagg is chock full of law enforcement types, but they're pretty hands-off for the most part.  But I can see these guys playing a role in enforcement.

During the summer, I tend to see quite a few Sheriff boats on the channel and the Columbia-proper.  Hagg is chock full of law enforcement types, but they're pretty hands-off for the most part.  But I can see these guys playing a role in enforcement.

   As far as I know, LE will be doing the enforcement, just like they do with fishing. I've had my license and tags checked at least 20 times in the three years I've been fishing here in Oregon, always by county or state troopers. I don't know if it's having long hair here in Tillamook, or if I just give off a "come screw with me" vibe, but I see a lot of enforcement over here. I've been checked a couple times for life jackets out on my canoe in a couple of different lakes around here, just last week I had a sheriff check me pulling my kayak out of the Wilson. I'm sure they will be checking for the new permits too.
   The only time I've encountered F&G personnel, they have been doing creel surveys and never check for license or anything else besides your fish. I suppose if you had an illegal fish, they could write a ticket.
Jonah

I don't think I saw anything that regulated when and where you launched.  It amounts to a piece of paper you carry on you to prove you payed.

I do understand the discontent with how it was implemented and the lack of advertisement.  

During the summer, I tend to see quite a few Sheriff boats on the channel and the Columbia-proper.  Hagg is chock full of law enforcement types, but they're pretty hands-off for the most part.  But I can see these guys playing a role in enforcement.

   As far as I know, LE will be doing the enforcement, just like they do with fishing. I've had my license and tags checked at least 20 times in the three years I've been fishing here in Oregon, always by county or state troopers. I don't know if it's having long hair here in Tillamook, or if I just give off a "come screw with me" vibe, but I see a lot of enforcement over here. I've been checked a couple times for life jackets out on my canoe in a couple of different lakes around here, just last week I had a sheriff check me pulling my kayak out of the Wilson. I'm sure they will be checking for the new permits too.
   The only time I've encountered F&G personnel, they have been doing creel surveys and never check for license or anything else besides your fish. I suppose if you had an illegal fish, they could write a ticket.
Jonah

I typically try to avoid the combat zones. this may be why I don't normally see cops....or anyone really except coasties I guess. Only time I've been checked for anything was pulling out the PB at a ramp on the Klamath with 3 chinook, and upon trying to locate my license, I found that I left it at home. doh!

I'm mostly curious as to "HOW" they came up with 10+ foot boat length on human powered boats?  Do 8' pontoon boats not transfer from one body of water to another and pose the same threats?  And like Nanook said, the water water guys, are their units made with special anti invasive species deflectors?

I think recreation kayaks less than 10ft without bulkheads are more likely to transport funk and water from place to place anyway. Maybe they realized that these boat's don't get paddled very often, longer length boats do?

who knows the criteria they used.

I typically try to avoid the combat zones.

Me too.

   Ok, I just got off the phone with the marine board myself. I wanted to double check since I posted that earlier. The lady I talked to confirmed that one boat = one permit, no matter the permit holder or paddler. I specifically asked about multiple boats, I was told you can buy as many permits as you want, or as many boats as you have, and anyone can use that boat with your permit -friends, family, wife, kids, strangers, weirdos from this board  , etc. So, if you have 8 boats, you can buy one permit and paddle any of them one on the water at a time, or buy 8 permits and have all 8 boats on the water regardless of who is piloting said boats.
  I also asked about enforcement, she said for the first few months only warnings would be given out, after that $142 tickets will be the norm. Lame. And she said no personal info is collected, so if you lose your permit, you have to buy a new one. Altogether lame.
Jonah

$142 fine? This is what HB 2220 says:

Prohibits person from operating manually propelled boat that is 10 feet or more in length without first obtaining aquatic invasive species prevention permit from State Marine Board. Specifies fees for permit. Directs board to adopt rules for permit program, including rules that exempt boats from program. Subjects violators to $90 fine. Applies to operators of motor boats issued certificate of number whose number expires on or after December 31, 2011. Establishes Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Fund. Continuously appropriates moneys in fund to board for purpose of administering aquatic invasive species prevention permit program. Declares emergency, effective on passage.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2200.dir/hb2220.b.pdf via "pay to play" (http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,3200.0.html)
Has the bill been amended or does OMB need to make sure their employees are giving out correct information? BTW, declaring an emergency is the same language the legislature used when passing HB 3013 (marine reserves).

I dunno, $142 is what she told me, and on the OMB website:

What if I don't purchase a permit?

    * Law Enforcement Officers will issue warnings for the first few months of the program. After that, they will begin actively enforcing the new law which is a Class D Violation which carries a $142 fine.
http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/programs/09LawsFAQs.shtml

Could be misunderstanding on all fronts, I suppose. The person I talked to took my name and number, and said she'd update me if anything "changed", by which I'm pretty sure she meant "if I don't know what I'm talking about and everything I just told you is wrong".

Could be misunderstanding on all fronts, I suppose. The person I talked to took my name and number, and said she'd update me if anything "changed", by which I'm pretty sure she meant "if I don't know what I'm talking about and everything I just told you is wrong".

Even if she is wrong, and doesn't know anything, I personally feel that it's pretty good customer service to call you back when figures it out.

Part of the funding is to go to training on the problem, so maybe she'll get trained 

Wrote an email to OMB:

Subject: Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Permit FAQ's
From: Paul Walker
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:10:27 -0800
To: marine.board@state.or.us

Please provide legal clarification:

"What if I don't purchase a permit? Law Enforcement Officers will issue warnings for the first few months of the program. After that, they will begin actively enforcing the new law which is a Class D Violation which carries a $142 fine." http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/programs/09LawsFAQs.shtml

In Summary, House Bill 2220, Ordered by the House June 23 including House Amendments dated April 27 and June 23 states: "Subjects violators to $90 fine." http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2200.dir/hb2220.b.pdf

Alright, update: Ashley, from the OMB, just called me back to let me know that, in fact, she was wrong about all of that. After clarifying with her higher-ups, she said that every person and boat on the water needs their own permit. Awesome. Just awesome.

Alright, update: Ashley, from the OMB, just called me back to let me know that, in fact, she was wrong about all of that. After clarifying with her higher-ups, she said that every person and boat on the water needs their own permit. Awesome. Just awesome.

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