Aquatic invasive species permit...

OK, so I am going to jump in now.  I would not have a problem with paying an environmental fee period.  I have a problem with the 10 ft and under exempt.  WTF! Just thinking on how many kayaks/playboat crafts are missed in revenue for the environment?  Pay to PLAY sounds like playboat to me. How many whitewater kayaks do you see over 10feet?  How many more whitewater kayaks do you see for sale on Craigslist than the 13-15ft type we generally prefer?  Many more 8-9-10ft pontoon craft out there with motor mounts than kayaks, geez.  Register the pontoon for a motor and don't need a environmental protection permit.  Who ever thought the 10ft rule up had a SINK playboater whispering in one hear.  Just kidding !


I'm going to register my Yak under powerboat, mount my 8HP Merc, and raise the Jolly Roger. AARGGHH!!
By the way, how long is the Mini X again?




How are the rental owners going to handle this? Is the responsibility going to be with the renter to obtain the permit too?  Poor folks hitting the Deschutes will need a waterproof file cabinet for the paperwork.


PEACE! &Merry Christmas!!
-Scott

I'm pretty sure that normal registration of a powerboat would also include the fee if I read it correctly.  Just wouldn't have the $2 admin charge since powerboat registration systems are already in place.

"SECTION 9. Notwithstanding ORS 830.790 (3), fees for issuance and renewal of an aquaticinvasive species prevention permit are as follows:
(1) The biennial fee for a motorboat issued a certificate of number under ORS 830.795 is  $5."

OK, so I am going to jump in now.  I would not have a problem with paying an environmental fee period.  I have a problem with the 10 ft and under exempt.  WTF! Just thinking on how many kayaks/playboat crafts are missed in revenue for the environment?  Pay to PLAY sounds like playboat to me. How many whitewater kayaks do you see over 10feet?  How many more whitewater kayaks do you see for sale on Craigslist than the 13-15ft type we generally prefer?  Many more 8-9-10ft pontoon craft out there with motor mounts than kayaks, geez.  Register the pontoon for a motor and don't need a environmental protection permit.  Who ever thought the 10ft rule up had a SINK playboater whispering in one hear.  Just kidding !


I'm going to register my Yak under powerboat, mount my 8HP Merc, and raise the Jolly Roger. AARGGHH!!
By the way, how long is the Mini X again?




How are the rental owners going to handle this? Is the responsibility going to be with the renter to obtain the permit too?  Poor folks hitting the Deschutes will need a waterproof file cabinet for the paperwork.


PEACE! &Merry Christmas!!
-Scott

our shop will end up paying $150 (max fee) for rental permit

Thanks, sorry for the $150 zebra clams.  So the $5.00 is an automatic fee for MB's.  I believe the greatest contributing  invasion factor is the ability to "hitch a ride" inside the hollows of motors, jet pumps, water pumps, and TRAILERS.

Yet MB's that provide the most suitable environment for viable transport of the bastard invaders pay only $5 clams, ever other year?

Oh, I almost forgot...I own two MB's...Wonderful.  So thankfully my paddlecraft permit will allow me to use my driftboat, yak, and canoe.  What if the regs change next year to ALL paddlecraft?  Then my 8ft pontoon is a target!

I still won't be happy...unless I get the Mini-X.
-Scott

The easiest solution would be to allow people the choice.  $5 per person permit you could take from boat to boat, or $5 per boat (just like the power boaters) which would cover anyone borrowing your boat.

Now your on to something.  I think that is a great idea.  I would pay that gladly, it's fair and sounds simple. 
Geez, there ya go and get all reasonable n' stuff.
-Scott

I was reading the state web site the other night. If I read it correctly, boaters pay a 5 dollar fee when they renew their registration every 2 years. Everyone else pays 7 dollars every year.

I'm pretty sure that, rather than raise the fee for d-bag PBers (not all of you, just most of you), they decided to shaft us, the responsible water users. thanks Larry Englund. (that being said I'd love a 60ft power yacht mothership)

When was the last time you saw a kayaker throw there beer cans in the river? or his tackle wrapper or foam bait container?

there's a different mentality for yakers than PBers. Anyone who's jockeyed with PB's while yakfishing knows what idiots most of these guys are.

We (Alder Creek) took over our new building from a bankrupt power yacht place, but all there annoying customers still come by. I've never met a group of people with bigger ego's and less intelligence than these people. " Do you have a 2000 watt flood light?" dude, for real? "yeah, they're right inbetween the chainsaws and outboard motors." You did noticed all the kayaks right?

My favorite was a lady who asked "do you guys feel inferior with all these big boats around?" my answer was; "not really since we took this building over because they couldn't pay there bills. Does that make you feel inferior?"

I digress.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't take a grain of sand back with me after a yak trip. I rinse my boat before I put it on the car and leave the water. I'm personally offended that PBers pay less and are required to do less than we are.

I say we keep bugging them and protesting until they give up on this idea. Come to me with a plan before you start charging me.

There's no bilge on kayaks (most of them) and I don't know anyone who uses there kayak who is going to have snails and stuff attached to the hull of there boat. The only way I even see this as possible is a kayak that just sits int he water and never gets used, but then it's not transporting anything anywhere.

I just don't get it. I'm pretty sure the poeple who thought this up have no idea what a kayak is, they just decided we weren't as powerful a lobby as PBers, so they could sneak one by and make some money off of us without any headaches.

Think again.

You have the address to Randy of the OSMB that both Paul and I have posted.
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They let career criminals out of jail to steal from us so the state can save money so they can hire more people to take more of our money & suck a little more fun out of our lives

I don't agree with letting criminals out of jail early, but they either have to save that money, or raise taxes.  With property values down, property tax revenue is in the dumps.

I suppose I'm somewhat sensitive on the letting crooks out of jail early issue. I'd personally rather pay a sales tax than do that.

This is off topic, but I gotta vent. Over Christmas Holidays, 2006, our home was burglarized & looted. Although the authorities knew who the perps were (career criminals & tweekers all) the only guy that did any jail time over it is being let out of prison early for "good behavior". I went to the court hearing 2 weeks ago to voice my objections. It didn't make any difference. Just when I think I'm getting a handle on my "anger issues" something like this happens. He was on parole for burglary when we were robbed. The only reason he did more jail time was because he was captured, after a high speed chase in a stolen car of course, in possession of meth & a pistol stolen from my house. He had to do the rest of his 7 year sentence for parole violation + 15 months for the stolen weapon. This robbery set off a chain of events, including identity theft, which continue to make life for my wife & I that much more challenging. On the other hand, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger in some way I suppose.
Happy Holidays anyway

Kinda seems like they're already feeling the pressure with just the few e-mails and calls from this forum.

Randy Henry wrote:
The Dept of Justice, unbeknownst to us until recently, added a $54 surcharge to all violations to fund their agency. All fines went up accordingly - it was a surprise to us, too. Because these fees are set by the legislature, that will be the amount of fines if violations are assessed.

Randy Henry
Randy.H.Henry@state.or.us
Operations Policy Analyst
Oregon Marine Board
www.boatoregon.com
(503) 378-2611

Paul Walker <p3walker@comcast.net> 12/21/2009 1:10 PM >>>
Please provide legal clarification:

"What if I don't purchase a permit? Law Enforcement Officers will issue warnings for the first few months of the program. After that, they will begin actively enforcing the new law which is a Class D Violation which carries a $142 fine." http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/programs/09LawsFAQs.shtml

In Summary, House Bill 2220, Ordered by the House June 23 including House Amendments dated April 27 and June 23 states: "Subjects violators to $90 fine." http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2200.dir/hb2220.b.pdf

  Hmmm..... Let me get this straight: According to OMB, $90+$54= $142? 

Sooooo.. those folks that get busted for not having a current valid registration on their boats had better see whatever fines are for the expired registration, as well as this $142 on top of that.  Cuz if they don't rereg, they don't have a vermin permit either. 

Radio control boats are exempt.  Time to get rid of the rudder cables and add a servo.

Why do motorized boats pay $5 every two years and non-motorized $7 ($5 permit plus $2 agent fee) each year?

    * Boat registration decals are non-transferrable -they adhere to the bow of the boat.  However, manually powered permits are assigned to a specific person and that person can use it on other non-motorized boats. 

Because THAT answers the question. why do you fish from a kayak instead of a boat? because I have a bus stop infront of my house....


Oh, and there was another news release put out last week

The Oregon State Marine Board has clarified and simplified two aspects of the new program to prevent aquatic invasive species from being introduced or spread throughout Oregon. The program, which becomes effective Jan, 1, 2010, was created by the 2009 Oregon Legislature.
 
The two key issues are reciprocity between Oregon, Washington and Idaho for boaters in the Columbia and Snake rivers and establishment of a minimum age for boaters who are required to have a permit.
 
Based on the tri-state Boating Offense Compact, it has been determined that Washington and Idaho boaters, who pay for aquatic invasive species prevention programs in their states, are not required to have an Oregon Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Permit while boating in the Columbia or Snake rivers. However, when they move into Oregon’s state waters, such as the Multnomah Channel or Willamette, Deschutes and John Day rivers, boaters are required to have an Oregon permit.
 
The reciprocity agreement also extends to boat launch sites in Oregon. Washington and Idaho boaters may launch into the Columbia or Snake rivers or into tributaries within one river mile of rivers without a permit for the purposes of accessing the Columbia and Snake rivers. Oregon boaters can also launch from sites in Washington to access the Columbia River. Oregon officials are seeking similar recognition for Oregon invasive species permit holders who want to launch in Idaho.
 
The second clarification of the program deals with the minimum age permit requirements for manually powered boats, including canoes, kayaks, driftboats, etc. Under the new rules, youngsters 13 years old and younger are not required to have a permit.
 
The Oregon Marine Board, in partnership with the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, was directed by the 2009 Oregon Legislature to implement a prevention program similar to Idaho and other western state programs. The program charges a permit fee to motorized and manually powered boat operators to fund regional inspection teams and statewide coordination of aquatic invasive species prevention efforts. "By and large, people have been supportive of this new fee as long as the funds are focused on prevention of aquatic invasive species," said Randy Henry, policy analyst for the Oregon Marine Board.
 
Additional information on the new Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Program, aquatic invasive invaders and background on the legislation, rules, the prevention techniques can be found at www.boatoregon.com.
 
For information on the new fees and to find answers to frequently asked questions, visit the Oregon Marine Board Website, http://www.boatoregon.com/OSMB/programs/09LawsFAQs.shtml

For what its worth, the next Marine Board meeting will be Thursday, January 14th, 9am, at the Portland Expo Center.