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Topic: Jackson Coosa  (Read 44066 times)

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no one has yet designed the perfect SOT for fishing the North Pacific. Everything is geared around warm water bass fishing for the most part, or fly fishing trout....most everything is for still water though. Lots of stuff works totally fine, but it's mostly by chance or adaptation by locals.
Really? What do you think is missing?

IMO there's many kayaks from different manufacturers that work great for the PNW. Hobie's Addy and Revo, OK's Trident, and Wilderness Systems Tarpon come to mind.


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There isn't much or any secondary stability in Hobies. Doesn't seem to be that much of a problem because primary is so high, but I'd like to see a little more chine. the bow is all sea kayak but the rest of it is pretty flat. I personally prefer more bow rocker than I have seen in any SOT. Other than that, pretty perfect.


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no one has yet designed the perfect SOT for fishing the North Pacific. Everything is geared around warm water bass fishing for the most part, or fly fishing trout....most everything is for still water though. Lots of stuff works totally fine, but it's mostly by chance or adaptation by locals.
Really? What do you think is missing?

IMO there's many kayaks from different manufacturers that work great for the PNW. Hobie's Addy and Revo, OK's Trident, and Wilderness Systems Tarpon come to mind.


Z

There isn't much or any secondary stability in Hobies. Doesn't seem to be that much of a problem because primary is so high, but I'd like to see a little more chine. the bow is all sea kayak but the rest of it is pretty flat. I personally prefer more bow rocker than I have seen in any SOT. Other than that, pretty perfect.

And like I said before, you can force most SOT's to work, and work well, but I still don't think they're ideally designed for the North Pacific. I've never been clobbered so hard in the surf than on the tarpon, which I like alot. but man, anything over 3 ft. break is pearl city. Scupper pro had the bow, but not a hard enough keel or chine to hold a line coming in through surf. Trident is great if you're a large person, but a bit of a dock if you aren't.

If you put a coosa bow/rocker and a more distinct chine on the hobies, they'd be perfect. and all this is just my personal opinion of course, and we all know no one is ever going to make the boat I want, bewcause I'm the only one who wants it.

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so when a redneck in the SE dresses up for church, they don't where fancy boots?

Um, no.
 


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If you put a coosa bow/rocker and a more distinct chine on the hobies, they'd be perfect. and all this is just my personal opinion of course, and we all know no one is ever going to make the boat I want, bewcause I'm the only one who wants it.

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All you need is a few different kayaks, a saw, and a plastic welder and you could whip together a perfect SOT kayak.   :thumbsup:
 

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And like I said before, you can force most SOT's to work, and work well, but I still don't think they're ideally designed for the North Pacific. I've never been clobbered so hard in the surf than on the tarpon, which I like alot. but man, anything over 3 ft. break is pearl city. Scupper pro had the bow, but not a hard enough keel or chine to hold a line coming in through surf. Trident is great if you're a large person, but a bit of a dock if you aren't.

If you put a coosa bow/rocker and a more distinct chine on the hobies, they'd be perfect. and all this is just my personal opinion of course, and we all know no one is ever going to make the boat I want, bewcause I'm the only one who wants it.


Well, that would make it "perfect for you".  We always get caught in this discussion that goes no where.  There is no kayak that is perfect for everyone.

And I'm not sure why the concentration on the surf handling.  We are kayak anglers, not kayak surfers.  We are going through the surf, not trying to linger or play in it.  For the most part, we try to avoid surf and when we must go through the surf, most angler kayaks on the market are perfectly fine traversing the surf zone.

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that's what I said, perfect for me. just giving my review of the coosa. inevitably other boats will be discussed in comparrison. I don't really care if you do or don't surf, I was talking about what I want/like to do. I can surf a sea kayak, I can tour in a sea kayak, AND fish from it, I don't see why a SOT couldn't be as versitile.
 
I just think it's kind of lame that SOT designers don't really have any other design criterium for hull performance other than primary stability. That's all I'm saying. It could be better, and until it is, I will continue to bitch.
 ;)
 
I'm just expressing my opinion on a new boat I just paddled. If you don't like it, you don't have to participate in the conversation.
 


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If you put a coosa bow/rocker and a more distinct chine on the hobies, they'd be perfect. and all this is just my personal opinion of course, and we all know no one is ever going to make the boat I want, bewcause I'm the only one who wants it.

J

All you need is a few different kayaks, a saw, and a plastic welder and you could whip together a perfect SOT kayak.   :thumbsup:

Hmmmm. I have all those things. :)


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Looks like a cool kayak with some interesting new concepts.
One thing I noted is that the tank well has no scuppers, so anything that is back there could sit in water if a wave or rain hits it.

If any of you have had the opportunity to watch "Yaknitup" move around on top of his X-Factor, this Drew Gregory has nothing on him!   ;D

On the tank well scuppers: there is a cut away between the tank well and the scuppers under the seat, which seemed to drain it just fine.


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that's what I said, perfect for me. just giving my review of the coosa. inevitably other boats will be discussed in comparrison. I don't really care if you do or don't surf, I was talking about what I want/like to do. I can surf a sea kayak, I can tour in a sea kayak, AND fish from it, I don't see why a SOT couldn't be as versitile.

Actually it is NOT what you said.  You said, "no one has yet designed the perfect SOT for fishing the North Pacific."  Sounded like a general statement to me.


I just think it's kind of lame that SOT designers don't really have any other design criterium for hull performance other than primary stability. That's all I'm saying. It could be better, and until it is, I will continue to bitch.
 ;)
 
I'm just expressing my opinion on a new boat I just paddled. If you don't like it, you don't have to participate in the conversation.

The truth is that primary stability is the major criterium that most kayak anglers are interested in.  They spend the majority of their time floating on the water and FISHING.  The rest of the time is spent traveling from/to the launch.

My aren't we a bit defensive?  So if I don't agree with your opinion, you want me to keep quiet?  Geez.

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sorry, I guees you scanned over this part

"and all this is just my personal opinion of course, and we all know no one is ever going to make the boat I want, bewcause I'm the only one who wants it."

Of course I'm defensive I get jumped on this forum all the time, I didn't read you arguing against the topic, just me.

Can you honestly tell me someone has designed a SOT specifically for fishing the north pacific? or did they just get kinda lucky in that the design works pretty good. As far as I can tell, a bunch of bass fisherman scribbled out some drunken boat designs on napkins and then shaped a mold.


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that's what I said, perfect for me. just giving my review of the coosa. inevitably other boats will be discussed in comparrison. I don't really care if you do or don't surf, I was talking about what I want/like to do. I can surf a sea kayak, I can tour in a sea kayak, AND fish from it, I don't see why a SOT couldn't be as versitile.

Actually it is NOT what you said.  You said, "no one has yet designed the perfect SOT for fishing the North Pacific."  Sounded like a general statement to me.


I just think it's kind of lame that SOT designers don't really have any other design criterium for hull performance other than primary stability. That's all I'm saying. It could be better, and until it is, I will continue to bitch.
 ;)
 
I'm just expressing my opinion on a new boat I just paddled. If you don't like it, you don't have to participate in the conversation.

The truth is that primary stability is the major criterium that most kayak anglers are interested in.  They spend the majority of their time floating on the water and FISHING.  The rest of the time is spent traveling from/to the launch.

My aren't we a bit defensive?  So if I don't agree with your opinion, you want me to keep quiet?  Geez.

-Allen

and that is the difference between fisherman who use a kayak and kayakers who fish.


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so when a redneck in the SE dresses up for church, they don't where fancy boots?

Um, no.

?? I've never seen this either. Saw it lots while living in NM. It's a Different breed east of the Mississippi.
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sorry, I guees you scanned over this part

"and all this is just my personal opinion of course, and we all know no one is ever going to make the boat I want, bewcause I'm the only one who wants it."


May as well quote the full quote and put it in context.

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If you put a coosa bow/rocker and a more distinct chine on the hobies, they'd be perfect. and all this is just my personal opinion of course, and we all know no one is ever going to make the boat I want, bewcause I'm the only one who wants it.

This was in response to the Hobie part of the discussion.

But that whole discussion was spawned from the general comment you made that I quoted before.

Can you honestly tell me someone has designed a SOT specifically for fishing the north pacific? or did they just get kinda lucky in that the design works pretty good. As far as I can tell, a bunch of bass fisherman scribbled out some drunken boat designs on napkins and then shaped a mold.

Why do you feel the need to insult today's SOT designers?

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and that is the difference between fisherman who use a kayak and kayakers who fish.

It has nothing to do with that.  Even pure kayakers don't have a single perfect kayak.

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Of course I'm defensive I get jumped on this forum all the time

I don't actually see people jumping you much.  I see people debating you and you getting defensive, thinking they are jumping you.  You just did that to me here on this thread.  Lighten up.

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