Official 2013 AOTY Signups

We specifically crafted the mothership clarification to allow for people to go out on "big fish trips", you just have to set it up yourself, instead of paying someone to do all the leg work for you.

Learn it or Earn it seems to be the philosophy. 

I like it.

So are all ORC fish disqualified for 2013? Because you are paying an entry fee and might be new to the salt or are experienced in the salt and are taking out a newbie?

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The problem is the line hasn't been drawn.
So guides fishing without clients are eligible correct?

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Yes, the line HAS been drawn.   You just refuse to accept it.

It is not "guides without clients".  It is people participating in any aspect of a guided fishing trip.  For instance, if you get dropped off at Foggy Bay a couple days early to set up, you are not allowed to enter fish from that?  Why?  Because you are using resources directly attributed with a guided fishing trip.  This situation is entirely encompassed within the "guide rule".

-Allen

So are all ORC fish disqualified for 2013? Because you are paying an entry fee and might be new to the salt or are experienced in the salt and are taking out a newbie?

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ORC fish are qualified, as are any other tourney fish as long as they are within the already stated rules and exceptions.  It is not a guided trip.  It isn't even a "pay for" trip.  You are not paying for a "fishing service".

-Allen

Gotta agree with Bill and Ron on this. What should be banned is a guide sitting next to you telling you where to fish, how to fish, and land the fish. Which is what happens for a lot of people at ORC. If guided trips are banned so should any kind of coaching during tournaments. As for guides, they should only be able to enter fish while they're off the clock. I trust the guide knuckleheads enough. They're pretty decent.

Gotta agree with Bill and Ron on this. What should be banned is a guide sitting next to you telling you where to fish, how to fish, and land the fish. Which is what happens for a lot of people at ORC. If guided trips are banned so should any kind of coaching during tournaments. As for guides, they should only be able to enter fish while they're off the clock. I trust the guide knuckleheads enough. They're pretty decent.

Well, that seem contradictory to me. If we're allowing guides to enter fish caught "off the clock", then why not allow fish caught by newbies who recieve a bit of advice at ORC from someone who is pro? If no money has exchanged hands between newbie and professional, and it's simply a guy trying to pass on knowledge to a newbie to help build up their fishing I.Q., why not?
If we followed that logic trail, nobody would be allowed to give any advice to anybody else lest it should somehow aid them in catching a fish.
Lingbanger and Noah gave me PLENTY of advice this year for fishing lings, and they're not professional guides. Yet, they're both good fisherman. We would allow that, but not if Fungunnin or Pelagic Paddler gave me the same info off the clock?
I think we're overcomplicating this whole thing. It should be, if you're off the clock and fishing with your buddies, as long as you don't hand your rod off or accept payment, you should be able to share best practices one guy to another just like the rest of us amateurs do.
That's just my opinion.

It should be, if you're off the clock and fishing with your buddies, as long as you don't hand your rod off or accept payment, you should be able to share best practices one guy to another just like the rest of us amateurs do.
That's just my opinion.

Yeah, I could get behind that.

Just to stir the pot, because I'm like that sometimes ... name one Oregon licensed guide that gave on-the-water advise at ORC.

 

-Allen

Just to stir the pot, because I'm like that sometimes ... name one Oregon licensed guide that gave on-the-water advise at ORC.

 

-Allen

What?  "paddle toward the sun" doesn't count?

I think the ORC should be left alone both in the sprit of getting more folks on the water and not getting to nit picky.   
As a guide (which means nothing more than I paid some money to the state for cool stickers) I'm more than fine with the changes as long as all the details get ironed out and the changes/rules are clear by the start of the new season.

The problem is the line hasn't been drawn.
So guides fishing without clients are eligible correct?

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Yes, the line HAS been drawn.   You just refuse to accept it.

It is not "guides without clients".  It is people participating in any aspect of a guided fishing trip.  For instance, if you get dropped off at Foggy Bay a couple days early to set up, you are not allowed to enter fish from that?  Why?  Because you are using resources directly attributed with a guided fishing trip.  This situation is entirely encompassed within the "guide rule".

-Allen

Wait ... so if I go to Alaska. A friend takes me on his personal boat to a remote location drops me off and I cook my own good set my own tent and catch my own fish and no money changes hands. Those fish are not eligible?

I don't get it ....

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The problem is the line hasn't been drawn.
So guides fishing without clients are eligible correct?

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Yes, the line HAS been drawn.   You just refuse to accept it.

It is not "guides without clients".  It is people participating in any aspect of a guided fishing trip.  For instance, if you get dropped off at Foggy Bay a couple days early to set up, you are not allowed to enter fish from that?  Why?  Because you are using resources directly attributed with a guided fishing trip.  This situation is entirely encompassed within the "guide rule".

-Allen

Wait ... so if I go to Alaska. A friend takes me on his personal boat to a remote location drops me off and I cook my own good set my own tent and catch my own fish and no money changes hands. Those fish are not eligible?

I don't get it ....

If you got someone to take you and drop you off for an overnight stay, and it was in no way associated with a paid trip, then it would fall under the normal mothership rules - in other words, the fish would count.  You could fly up to Alaska, hire a water taxi, and get dropped off at some remote unfished island, and those fish would count. 

The problem is the line hasn't been drawn.
So guides fishing without clients are eligible correct?

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Yes, the line HAS been drawn.   You just refuse to accept it.

It is not "guides without clients".  It is people participating in any aspect of a guided fishing trip.  For instance, if you get dropped off at Foggy Bay a couple days early to set up, you are not allowed to enter fish from that?  Why?  Because you are using resources directly attributed with a guided fishing trip.  This situation is entirely encompassed within the "guide rule".

-Allen

Wait ... so if I go to Alaska. A friend takes me on his personal boat to a remote location drops me off and I cook my own good set my own tent and catch my own fish and no money changes hands. Those fish are not eligible?

I don't get it ....

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I didn't say that Bill.  Re-read my post.  I said if you're out there in conjunction with a guided trip, including going out early to set up, you can't enter those fish in AOTY.  Why?  Because you have resources available to you that are part of a paid/guided trip.  The "in conjunction with" is the line we've drawn.

For the scenario you described (and knowing nothing else about it), I would think entries are fine.

-Allen

Just to stir the pot, because I'm like that sometimes ... name one Oregon licensed guide that gave on-the-water advise at ORC.

 

-Allen

What?  "paddle toward the sun" doesn't count?

Did he listen to you?

-Allen

So what has to happen for it not to be part of a paid trip?

By hiring a water taxi does that make it a paid trip? You are paying some one to take you on a trip ....

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No you're not, you're paying for transportation, and transportation only.